Info AMD has dropped 5000 & 7000 series CPU pricing

[Tigerick]

After bad earnings (really bad: revenue -40%, unit shipment -43%, ASP +5%) from last quarter, AMD has finally made up their minds to officially drop their CPU prices

	Old price	New Price
5600X	$299	$159
5800X	$449	$249
5800X3D	$449	$329 -> $379
5900X	$549	$349
5950X	$799	$549 -> $499

In China, upcoming 11.11 shopping festival is the days you see biggest discount of whole year. AMD takes opportunity to offer great discounts on new CPU as well. Below is converted USD prices for future reference which AMD may make it permanent if sales keep on dropping

	Official US Price (Nov Price Cut)
7600	$229
7600X	$249
7700	$329
7700X	$349
7800X3D	?
7900	$429
7900X	$474
7900X3D	?
7950X	$574
7950X3D	?

 

[IEC]

Zen 3 is selling better than all other CPU gens combined and it's not even close. $329 5800X3D, $249 5800X ($229 on Antonline eBay right now), $150ish 5600X...

You pay a hefty premium to get bleeding edge performance (13900K, 7950X). And it's not worth it for the vast majority of users.

A 5800X3D + motherboard + RAM is cheaper than a 13900K and within 6% at 1080p gaming with a RTX 4090. If you don't plan to spend $1600 on a GPU or you play at 1440p+ then even less reason to spring for newest gen parts as the already small gap vanishes.

A 13600K + motherboard + DDR4 is similar in value... but will fall behind the 5800X3D option in gaming performance since you're giving up the DDR5.

And if you're in the budget builders club... a 5600/X + mobo + DDR4 is super affordable right now, and paired with a 6600/XT or 6700/XT pretty hard to beat for value.

It's a great time to build a PC. And the ex-miner GPU stock hasn't even hit the market in quantity yet...

 

[Markfw]

I find it funny that months before the release of Zen 4 people were predicting a surge in sales for the new processors. So much so that it would cause a shortage of DDR5. It shows just how slanted towards AMD this forum is.

Now we know that thinking was ridiculous. Raptor Lake is outselling Zen 4. Zen 3 is outselling Zen 4. Even more so now with the price drops on Zen 3.

I watch the stock of 13900K at Micro Center compared to the 7950X. Always 25+ available for the 7950X while they sell out of the 13900K within a couple days after getting a new shipment in.

Hey a lot of people don't care that electric rates have skyrocketed. And Intel marketing is in full swing. At least for many use cases its not a bad processor.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I watch the stock of 13900K at Micro Center compared to the 7950X. Always 25+ available for the 7950X while they sell out of the 13900K within a couple days after getting a new shipment in.

That's the real world and it's been like this for a long time. It can be said that Intel's only real blemish on their record would be Rocket Lake. Every other Intel CPU has sold well as far as I know.

Zen 4 has the AVX-512 advantage which the general public doesn't care about otherwise they wouldn't be lapping up 12th/13th gen CPUs.

12th gen became a real unexpected problem for AMD. Had they anticipated it, Zen 4 would have been much faster with maybe even larger caches.

Despite AMD telling users that 95 degrees Celsius is normal temperature for their CPU under normal conditions, I think a lot of users are not comfortable with that because that's not what Zen 3 did in their experience.

Then AMD shot themselves in the foot by not having affordable mobos out earlier. Not everyone has unnecessary cash to burn.

Last but not least, Zen 4 doesn't fare well with XMP. Big mistake. Being mostly stuck at DDR5-6000 didn't help matters either.

AMD has to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to conquer the market because this launch was not the way to do it. Their only ace in the hole right now is 7800X3D if they don't somehow botch that too.

I've said before that AMD sort of rested on their laurels after Zen 3, thinking themselves unbeatable and didn't push their teams harder to deliver Zen 4 earlier. Had Zen 4 come out in January 2022, they would've had only 12th gen to worry about which would have fallen quite behind Zen 4, wooing users away from Intel.

You can argue till you are blue that AMD users are very happy with their Zen 4 CPUs. I don't doubt that. But the general public and OEMs are not gonna be won over due to the above listed caveats.

 

[Mopetar]

I find it funny that months before the release of Zen 4 people were predicting a surge in sales for the new processors. So much so that it would cause a shortage of DDR5. It shows just how slanted towards AMD this forum is.

Everyone has bad sales right now, and I think AMD Osborned themselves a bit by talking about the v-cache Zen 4 being available "soon" or even later in the year. If Inhad thought it wouldn't ship for another year, I might have jumped on Zen 4 when it launched, but anyone seriously looking at AMD for a gaming PC is going to wait for Zen 4D because you'd be foolish not between the much shorter time window between the launches and letting any teething issues with the new platform work themselves out.

Add in cheap Zen 3 with little reason for anyone on Zen 3 to upgrade, particularly because AMD fans generally seem more hyped about Zen 5 than Zen 4, and there's not a lot to drive people to run out and buy. Intel is also a lot more competitive in multi core workloads than they've been against AMD practically since Zen came out and that the i5 is priced better for most users, the Ryzen x600/X isn't quite the darling it once was.

Zen 4 will probably get a bump when the 7800X3D comes out, especially if AMD adds some small price cuts to the existing lineup to make the value proposition against competing Intel products better. Hopefully DDR5 prices come down by then as well.

 

[In2Photos]

It's a great time to build a PC.

Is it though? As someone that decided to wait until Zen4 was released so that I wouldn't be buying into a dead platform (Zen 3 and LGA1700) I don't feel like I have great options for the money. So it's either buy a dead platform or overspend on limited parts availability. Zen4 motherboards and ram kits are overpriced and the number of available skus is small. Nvidia and AMD only released their halo products for GPUs. AMD is going to release X3D skus likely 1Q next year. To me there is no option right now that provides long term value. If I were to buy right now I feel like I would have buyer's remorse as each new sku is released.

 

[IEC]

Is it though? As someone that decided to wait until Zen4 was released so that I wouldn't be buying into a dead platform (Zen 3 and LGA1700) I don't feel like I have great options for the money. So it's either buy a dead platform or overspend on limited parts availability. Zen4 motherboards and ram kits are overpriced and the number of available skus is small. Nvidia and AMD only released their halo products for GPUs. AMD is going to release X3D skus likely 1Q next year. To me there is no option right now that provides long term value. If I were to buy right now I feel like I would have buyer's remorse as each new sku is released.

If you're trying to predict the future, it's always a bad time to build a PC. There's always something better around the corner and you can't reliably predict what it will be despite the rumor mill.

If you told me in 2015 my main desktop in 2020 would have a 16c/32t CPU I would have laughed at you. Anything you built in 2015 has very little "long term value" compared to what's available now. My quad core Intel chip of circa 2015 is long since retired.

That said, it's a bad time to build a Zen 4 or Raptor Lake system due to the early adopter tax. Prices WILL fall given macroeconomic conditions and the inevitability of DDR5 reaching price parity with DDR4 at some point.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is it though? As someone that decided to wait until Zen4 was released so that I wouldn't be buying into a dead platform (Zen 3 and LGA1700) I don't feel like I have great options for the money. So it's either buy a dead platform or overspend on limited parts availability. Zen4 motherboards and ram kits are overpriced and the number of available skus is small. Nvidia and AMD only released their halo products for GPUs. AMD is going to release X3D skus likely 1Q next year. To me there is no option right now that provides long term value. If I were to buy right now I feel like I would have buyer's remorse as each new sku is released.

I see you are a glass is half empty kind of guy.

Your rationale hurts my brain. You say there is no option that provides long term value. Well, that is complete and utter nonsense IMO. AM5 provides exactly that. Doesn't matter if you buy now or wait for the 3D. You get a CPU fast enough to push high end GPUs, with a platform that has an upgrade path. They even added iGPU to all CPUs, yet somehow that doesn't get added to the value equation.

Stop being gaslit by reviewers that use bad Ferengi math. The more expensive boards talking point is rubbish. Because you only have to buy the board once, instead of multiple times to keep up with Intel's tick tock over the same timespan. The X370 premiered against the 2 series boards and could still house new CPUs after the 6 series came out. THAT is long term value. AM5 may or may not match it, but it will exceed tick tock easily.

I do agree this forum leans AMD. As I have pointed out before, search early 2010-2017 and get back to me about how the forum leans. It does it for good reason. Because the best bang for buck is generally agreed upon. AM4 price cuts are getting a lot of play because the platform has become ubiquitous over the last 5yrs. Making the 5 series CPUs compelling at the current prices.

Intel has played it like the rabbit in the parable. Sprinted away, then took a nap. I am not going to personally reward them for doing that. Multiple generations of yawn worthy products tends to have that effect. It appears many feel as I do on the subject, which is why 12th gen sales have been lackluster, even though there is serious value in the lower tiers. 13th gen outselling Zen 4 is quite the hollow victory. The margins are low, and both are selling poorly.

 

[A///]

Hey a lot of people don't care that electric rates have skyrocketed. And Intel marketing is in full swing. At least for many use cases its not a bad processor.

my electrical rates won't change much for several reasons not worth repeating. my gas bill otoh is going to be huge this winter. For april through july I was paying more than what i pay for during the winter. I expect to pay anywhere from 60-90 more each month the next few than last year.


Beans and a candle it is.

 

[A///]

That's the real world and it's been like this for a long time. It can be said that Intel's only real blemish on their record would be Rocket Lake. Every other Intel CPU has sold well as far as I know.

intel admitted in a quarterly alderlake sales were abysmal and not at all what they thought they'd be.

 

[UsandThem]

I find it funny that months before the release of Zen 4 people were predicting a surge in sales for the new processors. So much so that it would cause a shortage of DDR5. It shows just how slanted towards AMD this forum is.

Now we know that thinking was ridiculous. Raptor Lake is outselling Zen 4. Zen 3 is outselling Zen 4. Even more so now with the price drops on Zen 3.

I watch the stock of 13900K at Micro Center compared to the 7950X. Always 25+ available for the 7950X while they sell out of the 13900K within a couple days after getting a new shipment in.

Some of us don't see any value (or have any need) in buying $500+ CPUs and motherboards (or $1k+ GPUs). Then throw on the DDR5 premium on top of it just to get some higher scores running synthetic benchmarks. AMD doesn't offer anything for the "everyday" buyers in AM5 platform yet, and with the Ryzen 5000 series price drops, of course that's where the smart money is right now for who those want a good value for their money.

Throw the insane pricing on top of a recession and high inflation, and PC shipments being at a 30 year low, AMD couldn't have launched their new lineup at a worse time.

 

[In2Photos]

I see you are a glass is half empty kind of guy.

OK...

Your rationale hurts my brain. You say there is no option that provides long term value. Well, that is complete and utter nonsense IMO. AM5 provides exactly that. Doesn't matter if you buy now or wait for the 3D. You get a CPU fast enough to push high end GPUs, with a platform that has an upgrade path. They even added iGPU to all CPUs, yet somehow that doesn't get added to the value equation.

Long term value was not the right choice of words there. The reason I wanted to go AMD was due to the long term value and ability to have platform support for several years. So yes, long term value is there, it's the initial purchase where value isn't present compared to AM4.

Stop being gaslit by reviewers that use bad Ferengi math. The more expensive boards talking point is rubbish. Because you only have to buy the board once, instead of multiple times to keep up with Intel's tick tock over the same timespan. The X370 premiered against the 2 series boards and could still house new CPUs after the 6 series came out. THAT is long term value. AM5 may or may not match it, but it will exceed tick tock easily.

I'm not being swayed by anyone, I do my own research thanks. But I'm not comparing the AM5 purchase to Intel, I'm comparing it to AM4. And the same boards for AM5 are significantly more expensive than the AM4 counterparts. Let's look at the MSI Carbon Wifi board for example. B550 is $245. B650 is $330. That is a 35% premium for virtually the same feature set. On top of that I have to buy DDR5 memory that is also at a premium. Again looking at the same RAM, Corsair Vengeance RGB 2x16GB modules, DDR4 3600 C16 is $128, DDR5 6000 C36 is $240. Then the CPU itself, 7700X vs 5800X3D is $400 vs $330. That's a total difference of $267 for the mobo, CPU and RAM for practically the same performance in gaming. $267 (38%) premium to have the ability to upgrade the CPU for the next few years.

I do agree this forum leans AMD. As I have pointed out before, search early 2010-2017 and get back to me about how the forum leans. It does it for good reason. Because the best bang for buck is generally agreed upon. AM4 price cuts are getting a lot of play because the platform has become ubiquitous over the last 5yrs. Making the 5 series CPUs compelling at the current prices.

Intel has played it like the rabbit in the parable. Sprinted away, then took a nap. I am not going to personally reward them for doing that. Multiple generations of yawn worthy products tends to have that effect. It appears many feel as I do on the subject, which is why 12th gen sales have been lackluster, even though there is serious value in the lower tiers. 13th gen outselling Zen 4 is quite the hollow victory. The margins are low, and both are selling poorly.

Despite having been on Intel for most of my PCs for the last 15ish years I have no desire to go that route right now. I'm not a fan of the P/E cores and only 2 years of platform support.

 

[Markfw]

Some of us don't see any value (or have any need) in buying $500+ CPUs and motherboards (or $1k+ GPUs). Then throw on the DDR5 premium on top of it just to get some higher scores running synthetic benchmarks. AMD doesn't offer anything for the "everyday" buyers in AM5 platform yet, and with the Ryzen 5000 series price drops, of course that's where the smart money is right now for who those want a good value for their money.

Throw the insane pricing on top of a recession and high inflation, and PC shipments being at a 30 year low, AMD couldn't have launched their new lineup at a worse time.

To me, Zen 4 is absolutely killer. Right now running primegrid, 7950x does a unit in about 6 hours.. My 7V12 Rome 64 cores are doing it in 30+ hours. So the 7950 can do 10 in the time the 64 core Rome does 4(due to core count). And its cheaper than a EPYC. The only thing is power. The Rome uses ~250 watt, and the 7950x is set to 142 watt, so doing more units means its even better at power. My 12700F with e-cores disabled is doing ONE unit in the same time as the 7950x does 2, and takes over 200 watts.

So in points/$$ the Zen 4 is king. The 5950x's are taking 10 hours, so not bad for the platform cost.

And I don't have a Raptor lake, but from everything I see, it would only be a little faster, and still only do one unit at a time, as it has the P-core count the same as my 12700F. In this app, L3 cache is king, and its very stressful. I have not tried with the e-cores on mine, as I don't have the time, but on the last app- it used some avx-512, so I needed them disabled for that. Several of these BOINC tasks use avx-512, and the Zen 4 just kills everything when I run those.

Anybody with a 13900k want to try and run these CUL and WOO primegrid tasks ? See below:

 

[UsandThem]

To me, Zen 4 is absolutely killer. Right now running primegrid, 7950x does a unit in about 6 hours.. My 7V12 Rome 64 cores are doing it in 30+ hours. So the 7950 can do 10 in the time the 64 core Rome does 4(due to core count). And its cheaper than a EPYC. The only thing is power. The Rome uses ~250 watt, and the 7950x is set to 142 watt, so doing more units means its even better at power. My 12700F with e-cores disabled is doing ONE unit in the same time as the 7950x does 2, and takes over 200 watts.

So in points/$$ the Zen 4 is king. The 5950x's are taking 10 hours, so not bad for the platform cost.

I think we can safely put you in the 1% extreme CPU usage club. The new CPUs help you with your usage, but for me, I personally can't even justify a reason to upgrade my Ryzen 3700X, GTX 1070ti, DRAMless PCIe 3.0 NVMe drive, or Windows 10.

The pricing of new components has gone completely crazy over the last 2-3 years, so it was time for me to something else for entertainment.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You literally created a thread asking if people thought it would go to $120. It hits $119 and now you still won't buy it and wait for it to go lower? Just buy it and enjoy already.

Yep, now I'm shooting for $115 or $110.....

Clearly an example of self-depravation taught at an early age; very typical of so-called "Christian" families, as an example of false humility.

I was never allowed to eat marischino cherries on ice cream Sundays. Told that I would get cancer.

Now that I've grown up, I've adopted a more Hedonistic approach. If I can afford it, if I want it, and the price is "in the ball-park" I buy it and just enjoy it, rather than worry about yet another time to "prove" that you're a humble and therefore "worthy" person by choosing depravation.

Look at what the "depravation mindset" gets priests...

 

[Markfw]

I think we can safely put you in the 1% extreme CPU usage club. The new CPUs help you with your usage, but for me, I personally can't even justify a reason to upgrade my Ryzen 3700X, GTX 1070ti, DRAMless PCIe 3.0 NVMe drive, or Windows 10.

The pricing of new components has gone completely crazy over the last 2-3 years, so it was time for me to something else for entertainment.

If you look at the DC forum, I think its more than 1% usage club. And the primegrid people ONLY buy Zen 4 that I have seen. The also rent a lot of cloud. But Raptorlake is not seen to speak of there. I would its more like 10%, especially because most of us have 10 rigs or more, for that reason alone.

But your point is well taken, its is in a significant minority.

 

[UsandThem]

Look at what the "depravation mindset"...

Woah there.....

Dude is either a "extreme value seeker", or has some kind of OCD price hang-up over $5 - $10.

However, there's really no need to bring in religion or priest sexual abuse comparisons into a tech discussion.

 

[A///]

I've had maybe 4 or 5 drinks on my off day before noon, but is gunsmadeamericafree quoting and inciting himself or do I need a nap?

I was never allowed to eat marischino cherries on ice cream Sundays. Told that I would get cancer.

I always looked forward to eating those cherries. Even went as far as saving up money as a kid to buy a jar of the stuff from a then neighborhood store. Nothing was better than vanilla ice cream with chocolate i shaved from a bar and those cherries plopped on top with some of that syrup drizzled on. matter of fact ben and jerry's invented their cherry garcia around the same time.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This isn't off topic, no more stream of consciousness posts please and thanks.

Bad enough we started down the versus road; let's stay out of the irradiated zones.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Sorry, just speaking of my own experiences, mostly, but that will be enough non-tech talk from me.

 

[alexruiz]

Despite AMD telling users that 95 degrees Celsius is normal temperature for their CPU under normal conditions, I think a lot of users are not comfortable with that because that's not what Zen 3 did in their experience.

Raptor lake runs at 100+ °C
How is the 95 °C a factor for Zen 4 when the competition can literally boil water?

 

[maddogmcgee]

I find it funny that months before the release of Zen 4 people were predicting a surge in sales for the new processors. So much so that it would cause a shortage of DDR5. It shows just how slanted towards AMD this forum is.

Now we know that thinking was ridiculous. Raptor Lake is outselling Zen 4. Zen 3 is outselling Zen 4. Even more so now with the price drops on Zen 3.

I watch the stock of 13900K at Micro Center compared to the 7950X. Always 25+ available for the 7950X while they sell out of the 13900K within a couple days after getting a new shipment in.

If there is a bias it's that we focus on the enthusiast DIY market so much. Such a small part of the overall market. Having said, it's a market AMD has been doing very well in over the past few years over several generations. I don't think there was a reason to expect it would change radically. I guess what we are seeing is AMD attempt to reposition itself as the market leader (in DIY) and Intel the provider of value.

 

[Markfw]

If there is a bias it's that we focus on the enthusiast DIY market so much. Such a small part of the overall market. Having said, it's a market AMD has been doing very well in over the past few years over several generations. I don't think there was a reason to expect it would change radically. I guess what we are seeing is AMD attempt to reposition itself as the market leader (in DIY) and Intel the provider of value.

with Zen 3 also being made, they can have both.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Everyone has bad sales right now, and I think AMD Osborned themselves a bit by talking about the v-cache Zen 4 being available "soon" or even later in the year.

To be perfectly honest, I would have a 7950X already were it not for news of Raphael-X! AMD did me a solid.

I was never allowed to eat marischino cherries on ice cream Sundays. Told that I would get cancer.

That was because of Red #40 scares, not because of religious conviction.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think I spelled thaty wrong. I think the dessert is spelled Sundae.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

>>Dude is either a "extreme value seeker", or has some kind of OCD price hang-up over $5 - $10.

Yep, I always try to use a coupon, always tried to go to a movie on 'half price' night, etc., and I found a grocery that has 'scratch & dent' stuff marked down about 40% on average.
Our local Aunt Millie's bakery outlet closed down during the pandemic, and now I have to pay regular price for bread, instead of 80 cents, ugh.