AMD Carrizo-lite with int/ext R3xx GPU could dominate markets

[ARMD Supremacy]

First benchmarks from new low end model AMD Carrizo-lite A4-7210 Mullins+ show that Carrizo-lite will have capability to take much of $200 to $400+ market, with better performance against other new Braswell/Cherrytrail. Geekbench3 test also show Carrizo-lite was only using single channel memory so other tests with dual channel will bring even greater performance benefits.

The first results also demonstrate that the introduction of a mobile x86 series that allows OEMs to have a single socket adopting two different SOCs targeting entire range from low end to high end is a profound development that will bring benefits to both the OEM and to consumer and ultimately to AMD.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1754627?baseline=2136806

 

[monstercameron]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2406297

discuss carrizo in thiss thread.

 

[Sweepr]

If you are going to start comparing engineer samples at least be honest enough to include the best results for each platform. Remmember that's the tablet version of Cherry Trail, not Braswell (Carrizo-L competitor).

Cherryview Atom X7 ES using single-channel 2GB RAM:
Single-core: 990
Multi-core: 3451

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1898242

When it comes to graphics they would need to double the clockspeed of the fastest Mullins part or come up with a new iGPU (192 or 256 GCN cores), otherwise their lead will be greatly reduced (compared to Bay Trail vs Mullins). And both chips most likely won't come close perf. wise to Tegra X1 or whatever Apple/Samsung are planning for H2 anyway.

 

[Abwx]

Carrizo-L is still single channel, the only difference with Mullins/Beema is a 200MHz CPU frequency bump for the top part, possible that the GPU frequency was also slightly increased.

 

[ARMD Supremacy]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2406297

discuss carrizo in thiss thread.

Yes that thread is good too, but info about Carrizo-lite sharing socket but evolved from Jaguar design and not large cores and target of low cost market will bring confusion so it was put in new thread.

 

[Vesku]

Agreed with Sweepr, if they left the GCN core count at 128 then Intel and AMD's offerings in this segment will be about equal for laptop and desktop. Honestly Beema was very good against BayTrail laptop and desktop but Intel still managed to dominate the OEM space there. Maybe Carrizo-L will have something a bit extra to surprise us and get design wins. Might be some pricing room as well, sounds like Intel wants to stop paying OEMs to use this line of chips and actually charge a bit for top end Atom.

 

[ARMD Supremacy]

If you are going to start comparing engineer samples at least be honest enough to include the best results for each platform. Remmember that's the tablet version of Cherry Trail, not Braswell (Carrizo-L competitor).

Cherryview Atom X7 ES using single-channel 2GB RAM:
Single-core: 990
Multi-core: 3451

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1898242

When it comes to graphics they would need to double the clockspeed of the fastest Mullins part or come up with a new iGPU (192 or 256 GCN cores), otherwise their lead will be greatly reduced (compared to Bay Trail vs Mullins). And both chips most likely won't come close perf. wise to Tegra X1 or whatever Apple/Samsung are planning for H2 anyway.

Speaking of honesty, comparison is for ready to sell (A4) production AMD Carrizo-lite used in Acer models that sell in $250-$400 range. Your comparison is engineer sample and for highest end Atom X7 that are used in higher end with probable model prices around $400 products.

Not sure if any Tegra X1 models run popular software that Carrizo-lite can and will compete in target markets.

 

[Vesku]

Any idea of how many launch models there will be? Beema was good just didn't end up in as many products as it should have due to extra cheap BayTrail flooding by Intel. Not in a single Chromebook and not much variety above the E series in the Windows laptops.

To get an idea of what Intel has been doing with BayTrail here is Papermaster's hint at what Chromebook makers want to pay, i.e. probably close to what Intel has been selling them BT at:

“We play in the whole range of [the] market. We’ll play in [the low-cost] value” market, Papermaster added. “You have to at least get paid for that value when you’re working on graphics. You go below that, and you’re looking at $7 chips.”

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2888...il-prices-features-match-better-cto-says.html

 

[AtenRa]

Why i have the feeling Carrizo-L is a re-brand of Beema/Mullins with a new socket ??

 

[Sweepr]

Speaking of honesty, comparison is for ready to sell (A4) production AMD Carrizo-lite used in Acer models that sell in $250-$400 range. Your comparison is engineer sample and for highest end Atom X7 that are used in higher end with probable model prices around $400 prod.

Then why exactly you compared a ready to sell AMD notebook chip to an ES of Cherry Trail's tablet variant? Also that Geekbench submission wasn't even the best for the tablet version so far. This comparison is 100% misleading. Kinda fits the Fud title, I'll give you that.

 

[artivix]

Everyone is bound to argue about what benchmarks between one companies CPU versus another is fair, but try looking at the improvement between the current A4-6210 versus the new A4-7210.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/2089767?baseline=2136806

At the same clocks, the improvements of around 20% up to 50%+ is pretty amazing! Wonder if new contributions comes from both Carrizo and R300 GPU series design goals and also from Globalfoundries improvements contributes to great performance increase.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Everyone is bound to argue about what benchmarks between one companies CPU versus another is fair, but try looking at the improvement between the current A4-6210 versus the new A4-7210.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/2089767?baseline=2136806

At the same clocks, the improvements of around 20% up to 50%+ is pretty amazing! Wonder if new contributions comes from both Carrizo and R300 GPU series design goals and also from Globalfoundries improvements contributes to great performance increase.

Your link shows its the exact same CPUs. Just a rebrand. And you can find faster A4-6210 submissions.

AuthenticAMD Family 22 Model 48 Stepping 1 vs AuthenticAMD Family 22 Model 48 Stepping 1

 

[Vesku]

And right under that for the new Acer:

Mullins

Heh, so maybe faster memory installed or they added a 100-200MHz boost setting?

And you can find faster A4-6210 submissions.

Faster memory and possible OEM modest, 10s MHz, OC it is then.

Intel and AMD hawking almost identical chips in the low end laptop, desktop. Unless Cherry Atom has some undiscovered critical bug or Intel is asking $30+ I predict Intel OEM model dominance will continue.

 

[monstercameron]

maybe the majority of the changes are in the power circuitry and gpu[gcn 1.1].

 

[Abwx]

Any idea of how many launch models there will be? Beema was good just didn't end up in as many products as it should have due to extra cheap BayTrail flooding by Intel. Not in a single Chromebook and not much variety above the E series in the Windows laptops.

To get an idea of what Intel has been doing with BayTrail here is Papermaster's hint at what Chromebook makers want to pay, i.e. probably close to what Intel has been selling them BT at:

“We play in the whole range of [the] market. We’ll play in [the low-cost] value” market, Papermaster added. “You have to at least get paid for that value when you’re working on graphics. You go below that, and you’re looking at $7 chips.”

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2888...il-prices-features-match-better-cto-says.html

There s enough Beema 4C designs given the few brands, this chip has nothing to do with the first Kabini/Temash iterations shipped by TSMC, GF has a much much better process for thoses small cores.

Also Notebookcheck list only the HP models of the A8 6410s they reviewed..

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-6410-Notebook-Processor.122644.0.html

6310 are more brand mixed, but no HP.... :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A6-6310-Notebook-Processor.115403.0.html

 

[AtenRa]

I dont think this is Carrizo-L but Beema renamed (Acer model ??)

Also this Acer Laptop seems to have a dGPU because it doesnt share the memory with the iGPU.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/2089767?baseline=2136806

 

[Enigmoid]

Nothing special. This is Mullins rebranded.

 

[monstercameron]

Nothing special. This is Mullins rebranded.

how did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Abwx]

maybe the majority of the changes are in the power circuitry and gpu[gcn 1.1].

Theses should be the same chips as current Mullins/Beema...

There could be some Integer IPC improvements in some apps since some tests suggest that Kabini has a noticeable bottleneck that deprive it from 10% perfs in Kraken or 7 Zip decompression and as much as 30% in compression, apparently partly due to RAM speed and NB speed.

Some tests with 7 Zip from people who own overclockable AM1 set ups would be welcomed to check this point.

 

[Enigmoid]

how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Geekbench recognizes it.

Processor Codename: "Mullins"


It looks like a kabini with boost.

Scores put it inline with 5350 + 100-200 mhz.

The only thing really against this is its relatively low placement in the naming scheme and its high performance.

 

[monstercameron]

Geekbench recognizes it.

Processor Codename: "Mullins"


It looks like a kabini with boost.

Scores put it inline with 5350 + 100-200 mhz.

The only thing really against this is its relatively low placement in the naming scheme and its high performance.

all fair points but geekbench only shows half of the picture.

 

[sm625]

If you go on google shopping and search with the following string, how many AMD tablets do you expect to see:

tablet "windows 8" -atom -intel -android -apple -ipad -Z3735G -Z3735F -Z3740

The answer:
zero.

lol. Despite trying to filter out all apple and android and atom tablets, you STILL end up with nothing but atom. There does not appear to be a single "modern" AMD tablet in existence. (ie something newer than Iconia W500 era brazos.) AMD doesnt even have its foot in the door in this market, and yet I'm supposed to believe they are just magically going to take it over?

One of the problems with AMD is that the word "AMD" gets butchered by search engines. You almost have to search for radeon or APU.

 

[monstercameron]

If you go on google shopping and search with the following string, how many AMD tablets do you expect to see:

tablet "windows 8" -atom -intel -android -apple -ipad -Z3735G -Z3735F -Z3740

The answer:
zero.

lol. Despite trying to filter out all apple and android and atom tablets, you STILL end up with nothing but atom. There does not appear to be a single "modern" AMD tablet in existence. (ie something newer than Iconia W500 era brazos.) AMD doesnt even have its foot in the door in this market, and yet I'm supposed to believe they are just magically going to take it over?

One of the problems with AMD is that the word "AMD" gets butchered by search engines. You almost have to search for radeon or APU.

search hp pavilion x2 amd a6-1450...there really arent any tablets out there though.

 

[Abwx]

If you go on google shopping and search with the following string, how many AMD tablets do you expect to see:

tablet "windows 8" -atom -intel -android -apple -ipad -Z3735G -Z3735F -Z3740

The answer:
zero.

The number of thoses BT tablets would be zero or so without contra revenue, we all know that Intel is paying to get thoses tablets manufactured.

AMD strategy is to cut in the bread and butter that get them the cash to bribe the OEMs, hence the Excavator based Carrizo that will entail the whole mobile Intel i series, not only the i3s.

With Carrizo L they have a convenient low cost solution that trounce anything Intel in the sub 15W segment, Baytrail lose its efficency when clocked too high and cant compete in both CPU and GPU perfs, while Haswell only saving grace at this TDP is single thread performance but at a lower perf/watt, in MT it s largely outmatched by Beema/Carrizo L perf/watt wise.

search hp pavilion x2 amd a6-1450...there really arent any tablets out there though.

Intel would had been technicaly and timely saved by TSMC s awfull 28nm process, but once Mullins was released in may 2014, and fabbed by GF, there is no doubt that in a non contra revenued market BT fate would had been close to the one of the previous Atom gen in respect of Bobcats.

 

[AtenRa]

If you go on google shopping and search with the following string, how many AMD tablets do you expect to see:

tablet "windows 8" -atom -intel -android -apple -ipad -Z3735G -Z3735F -Z3740

The answer:
zero.

lol. Despite trying to filter out all apple and android and atom tablets, you STILL end up with nothing but atom. There does not appear to be a single "modern" AMD tablet in existence. (ie something newer than Iconia W500 era brazos.) AMD doesnt even have its foot in the door in this market, and yet I'm supposed to believe they are just magically going to take it over?

One of the problems with AMD is that the word "AMD" gets butchered by search engines. You almost have to search for radeon or APU.

Carrizo-L is not targeting Tablets. It will compete against Intel ATOM for low cost Laptops.