AMD being smart about who gets a review sample

[Keysplayr]

but your post is just between you and I we aren't reviewers of a major hardware website. with thousands of gullible viewers.

get my point yet?

regarding the bolded part, isn't that just your opinion and his. that isn't a book review, I need cold hard facts not baseless speculation or predictions(see what I did there ) in a hardware review.

4gb is enough I don't know, could be wrong and it remains to be seen. see what I did again? one of us is being negative, I don't need to point it out right? right.

presenting baseless guesswork/opinion as fact should be against the rules in this forum I was told this is a serious hardware forum. doubly so for a well known hardware reviewer. I as a customer want cold hard facts and the right benchmarks. they can keep their opinions to a minimum.

But ya haven't really pointed out, or even attempted to point out this "misinformation" you keep talking about.
That 4GB is enough I don't know, could be wrong it remains to be seen is perfectly legitimate thing to say. He didn't say it conclusively but you're acting as if it were exactly that.
And it's only negative, to you, an individual who blindly bashes something they do not like.
Nobody wants to? I don't really see any. Make me see it. Make "us" see it. Or do you not want to give him any more views either?

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Honestly, I feel this is kinda dumb. "We only want to hear positive stuff, no negativity or criticism allowed!"

 

[Keysplayr]

Honestly, I feel this is kinda dumb. "We only want to hear positive stuff, no negativity or criticism allowed!"

^ Agreed.

 

[Silverforce11]

Honestly, I feel this is kinda dumb. "We only want to hear positive stuff, no negativity or criticism allowed!"

It's not that simple, you should watch the video first, coming from a tech site that is supposedly unbiased, you can then judge whether these guys deserve freebies to enable them.

Dude basically went on a massive rip against AMD then throws in a few "I could be wrong" lines.. well no bull, random pure speculation and wrong facts, why even do it at all if he "could be wrong"?

In the other thread, at first I thought it was a huge mistake from AMD and call for a public apology and a head to roll but seeing that editorial video, no, AMD is 100% right.

 

[boozzer]

But ya haven't really pointed out, or even attempted to point out this "misinformation" you keep talking about.
That 4GB is enough I don't know, could be wrong it remains to be seen is perfectly legitimate thing to say. He didn't say it conclusively but you're acting as if it were exactly that.
And it's only negative, to you, an individual who blindly bashes something they do not like.
Nobody wants to? I don't really see any. Make me see it. Make "us" see it. Or do you not want to give him any more views either?

oh come on, why the dodge at least I answered your post point by point. be brave!

Honestly, I feel this is kinda dumb. "We only want to hear positive stuff, no negativity or criticism allowed!"

more like keep speculation out of a hardware review website. that is not a place for it. have you seen legit criticisms? they use facts

 

[p0rkguy]

You guys need to get your head out of the gutter. This is a great move.
If someone is willing to give you samples and you go around slandering their products, meanwhile doing the exact opposite when their competition does the same. Be damn sure you're going to lose out on that sample.
All AMD did was call out KitGuru and now KitGuru is crying for support.
If anyone followed mobile tech, BGR was called out for the very same reason with Apple.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

I don't read kitguru, so I was wondering what prompted this, till I found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWgc8qjQwk

This explains why AMD is unhappy with them.

Though I'd imagine Kitguru will get some MSI copy from someone eventually to make a review. Might be blown a bit out of proportion.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's not that simple, you should watch the video first, coming from a tech site that is supposedly unbiased, you can then judge whether these guys deserve freebies to enable them.

Dude basically went on a massive rip against AMD then throws in a few "I could be wrong" lines.. well no bull, random pure speculation and wrong facts, why even do it at all if he "could be wrong"?

In the other thread, at first I thought it was a huge mistake from AMD and call for a public apology and a head to roll but seeing that editorial video, no, AMD is 100% right.

You don't think AMD deserves any rips? Only positive things to say are allowed or tolerated? There is more of a chance of him being right than wrong. He is an industry insider and he mentions his opinions are informed. All I can say is that everyone better hope that he is wrong.

 

[Gloomy]

Amd is well within their rights here. AMD doesn't owe these nerds anything, all they give they do so with ulterior motives, that should be clear. It shouldn't come as a surprise that if they feel giving to a particular outlet isn't working towards their ends, they stop. In this case they feel it is working against them so it should be even less of a surprise that they stopped.

I'm not familiar enough with kitguru to come to a conclusion either way about this being deserved, though.

This isn't odd or exceptional behavior here. In fact, it would be odd if they did otherwise. Basically, I don't get the outrage. AMD isn't Jesus, why expect them to turn the other cheek when they're slapped?

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't read kitguru, so I was wondering what prompted this, till I found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWgc8qjQwk

This explains why AMD is unhappy with them.

Though I'd imagine Kitguru will get some MSI copy from someone eventually to make a review. Might be blown a bit out of proportion.

They most certainly will get a card on their own or from one of the board partners. LOL, can you imagine if the review is favorable to AMD? What will the youtube video hatin folk say then?

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

You don't think AMD deserves any rips? Only positive things to say are allowed or tolerated? There is more of a chance of him being right than wrong. He is an industry insider and he mentions his opinions are informed. All I can say is that everyone better hope that he is wrong.

People can rip AMD as much as they want - based on factual evidence, not speculation and hearsay. I don't recall anyone getting a bad eye from AMD over the 200 series reviews, even though all of them rightfully panned the cooling solutions used in the reference design.

 

[p0rkguy]

They most certainly will get a card on their own or from one of the board partners. LOL, can you imagine if the review is favorable to AMD? What will the youtube video hatin folk say then?

AMD side can always say they're doing this to get back on the list of early reviewers.
Either way, what's done is done. KitGuru screwed up and attacked AMD with that video.
Honestly, if KitGuru were to give AMD a good review and if I were AMD, I still wouldn't put them back on the list just yet. Give it a year to find out their true intentions.

Pet a dog and he bites you, have a treat and he gets all friendly with you? Nice try

 

[DarkKnightDude]

I can see both sides of the argument here.

AMD probably should send a copy anyway to hear their negative side that way they're seen as fair to all sites.

On the other hand, if Kitguru is just going to bash anything AMD sends, AMD's PR department probably deems this as unwise and will instead send one of its limited supply of review samples to a bigger tech site in Europe.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Let me get this straight. People are actually believing this moron from KitGuru that posted that video?

AMD very well could have decided to not give them a card because of the video and the fact that they are obviously biased. I refuse to believe that AMD's PR department is so inept as to actually tell the guy in an email that he's not getting one because they don't think he will review it well.

Judging by that video, AMD just informed him he wasn't getting a card. He himself decided to add that crap about AMD saying it was because he wouldn't be positive. That seems far more plausible to me.

The guy is now sorry that his vendetta just lost his site millions of hits, and is trying to make AMD look bad.

People are saying that he'll just buy a card and review it himself. Yes he will, and he'll finish his benchmarks a week after every other site has had their review up. By then no one will care. AMD pretty much gave KitGuru a death sentence for showing his true colors.

 

[Abwx]

They most certainly will get a card on their own or from one of the board partners. LOL, can you imagine if the review is favorable to AMD? What will the youtube video hatin folk say then?

Reality is that the video say that even if supplied the cards they were prone to massacre the numbers, if someone talks badly of you publicly would you still take his nice words at face value when you have him in front of you..?..

All other assumptions, like the one in your post, are denial of the reality..

 

[svenge]

And you deny the reality that AMD has publicly (albeit indirectly) threatened *all* reviewers with the possibility of being denied any future review samples unless they're sufficiently positive towards AMD's products and AMD as a company.

Day one reviews (posted when the NDA lifts) are the lifeblood of tech sites. Denying review samples means buying the hardware at launch and posting the review ~1 week later, when the readers have already read all the reviews they could ever want.

In short: No review sample = late review = no page views = no ad impressions = no money = no site.

What AMD has now said is either follow their company line, or face the consequences.

 

[Keysplayr]

And you deny the reality that AMD has publicly (albeit indirectly) threatened *all* reviews with the possibility of being denied any future review samples unless they're sufficiently positive towards AMD's products and AMD as a company.

Day one reviews (posted when the NDA lifts) are the lifeblood of tech sites. Denying review samples means buying the hardware at launch and posting the review ~1 week later, when the readers have already read all the reviews they could ever want.

In short: No review sample = Late review = no page views = no ad impressions = no money = no site.

What AMD has now said is either follow their company line, or face the consequences.

And there it is.

 

[desprado]

Can anyone tell which site is Pro AMD?

So in short AMD will not send any sample to credible site Anandtech, Guru3d and overclock.

Problem is that Fury X is not that overclocking great even and AMD is really piss of people who will compare GTX 980 Ti with Fury X on 1080p or 1440p .

AMD's internal benchmarks show a FireStrike Ultra score of 3817 for the Nvidia 980 Ti. This is using their primary test bench system which is driven by an Intel Core i7-5960x. It's a system almost identical to my own, on which I tested a reference 980 Ti on FireStrike Ultra and received a score of 4007. This is just a reminder to take any internal benchmark results with a grain of salt. The only conclusive answer will come from testing both cards side by side using identical methodologies. We'll know soon enough I'll have my full review posted on June 24th, and we'll get to the truth!] .

AMD is not the DGPU leader but AMD acting like they got majority of DGPU share.

With this type of attitude of AMD they will even lose their left over DGPU share which is 20% right now.

 

[Abwx]

And you deny the reality that AMD has publicly (albeit indirectly) threatened *all* reviewers with the possibility of being denied any future review samples unless they're sufficiently positive towards AMD's products and AMD as a company.

Day one reviews (posted when the NDA lifts) are the lifeblood of tech sites. Denying review samples means buying the hardware at launch and posting the review ~1 week later, when the readers have already read all the reviews they could ever want.

In short: No review sample = late review = no page views = no ad impressions = no money = no site.

What AMD has now said is either follow their company line, or face the consequences.

You fail to understand that these are viral marketers that are targeted, you know the kind of people that got FCAT from nowhere and that returned this same gear to nowhere once it suited no more the need of...of who by the way..?...

AMD is not the DGPU leader but AMD acting like they got majority of DGPU share.

I find this remark quite interesting in the current context...

 

[.vodka]

Can anyone tell which site is Pro AMD?

So in short AMD will not send any sample to credible site Anandtech, Guru3d and overclock.

Problem is that Fury X is not that overclocking great even and AMD is really piss of people who will compare GTX 980 Ti with Fury X on 1080p on 1440p .

AMD is not the DGPU leader but AMD acting like they got majority of DGPU share.

How can you possibly know how it overclocks and how it compares to the 980Ti if there isn't a single review out there? Only slides and more slides. Have you got a Fury X and are willing to tell us how it fares? How it overclocks?

24th is the date you can make these statements talking in absolutes after seeing reviews and coming to your own conclusion, not before. Had you used more "may" "might" "could" then it'd be alright. These words exist for a reason, you know.



EDIT: Why all the hate towards AMD for not sending review samples to shill sites? They are doing themselves a favor burning these useless bridges (their old management's doing) with sites that wouldn't put an AMD product in positive light even if it outperformed the competition by 50%. Let them buy the card if they want to review it. Having put hard earned money to get the sample could correct the bias, maybe even make them appreciate the product if it's worth of it.

The new AMD (or so it seems) we've seen on the 300 series reveal the other day has to build new bridges from the ashes. That will take time but is another step in the right direction to make the company's image right. Now they have to learn how to counter nV's marketing, then they would be in a position to put up a fight. One step at a time. It's a miracle AMD is even showing up to the fight in such a dire situation. Give the guys some credit, this is renewed (and quite needed) competition that results in benefits for us customers. Is it that hard to see the point?

 

[desprado]

How can you possibly know how it overclocks and how it compares to the 980Ti if there isn't a single review out there? Only slides and more slides. Have you got a Fury X and are willing to tell us how it fares? How it overclocks?

24th is the date you can make these statements talking in absolutes, not before. Had you used more "may" "might" "could" then it'd be alright. These words exist for a reason, you know.

currently by seeing AMD attitude you will not see any good site posting AMD Fury X.Right now AMD want blind fanboy website which is the best name to my mind is Charlie Demerjian i can say that he may receive fury X.

This is the reason why AMD most time get bad press, low profile investors, low share, low DGPU share.

 

[svenge]

You fail to understand that these are viral marketers that are targeted

The only viral marketer I see here is you.

Warning issued for member callout -Shmee

 

[.vodka]

currently by seeing AMD attitude you will not see any good site posting AMD Fury X.Right now AMD want blind fanboy website which is the best name to my mind is Charlie Demerjian i can say that he may receive fury X.

This is the reason why AMD most time get bad press, low profile investors, low share, low DGPU share.

And how do you extrapolate from that information how it overclocks and how fast or slow is it relative to the 980Ti?

AMD doesn't want blind fanboy websites to do their reviews, they want fair game, that's all. If shills don't get review samples, so be it. Drop the green glases, please.


EDIT: Hell, if the product is good, then it'll get good reviews. Even reviewers that gave AMD a *well deserved* hard time with the 290/x and their reference blower of hell had good things to say about the 390x being essentially the same product, just polished enough to be what it had to be as the 290x.

If the Fury X is a good product, it'll get good reviews. From straight to slightly slanted reviewers. Shills, not so much, like the ones that did all the FCAT circus back when it was all the rage. These are the ones that don't get samples.

We'll see on the 24th who has samples or not.

 

[desprado]

The only viral marketer I see here is you.

He wont accept anything about AMD except AMD PR because they are cherry pick of AMD.

 

[JDG1980]

EDIT: Hell, if the product is good, then it'll get good reviews. Even reviewers that gave AMD a *well deserved* hard time with the 290/x and their reference blower of hell had good things to say about the 390x being essentially the same product, just polished enough to be what it had to be as the 290x.

Did you consider that maybe they treated the 390X with kid gloves because AMD made it clear that their access to Fury X review samples was dependent on doing so?