AMD being smart about who gets a review sample

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.vodka

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Maybe. Maybe not. Didn't nvidia do the same with review sites back then?

Is there proof of what you're saying?
 
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.vodka said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Didn't nvidia do the same with review sites back then?

Is there proof of what you're saying?
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You do realize any outlets (beside the now-blacklisted KitGuru) that post proof are likely to share the same fate, right?
 
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.vodka said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Didn't nvidia do the same with review sites back then?

Is there proof of what you're saying?
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If you do not have any logic or fact than plz do not post.


Really AMD PR is determined to make Fury X as a fail launch which is the last AMD want.
 
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JDG1980 said:
Did you consider that maybe they treated the 390X with kid gloves because AMD made it clear that their access to Fury X review samples was dependent on doing so?
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Do you have any proof? Or is just something conjectured up in you head? Or are you basing this on past experience (from Nvidia, maybe)? These open ended questions are easy to toast out. Just saying.
 
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I don't see how a straight review of a product that certainly has all the things to be worthy of a decent review (390x included, as old as Hawaii is, at least now it can hang with the 980 without burning itself at 95°C and waking up the neighborhood while doing so) will get a site blacklisted.

This is easy. If you review fair, you get samples. If you don't (pcper, kitguru, fcat shills that stopped using the tool once Hawaii's XDMA crossfire got better than Kepler SLI on frame latency), then you don't get a sample. Fair game, that's what they want.
 
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iiiankiii said:
Do you have any proof? Or is just something conjectured up in you head?
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It is an educated guess. A marketing department unethical enough to engage in this kind of behavior should not be given the benefit of the doubt in cases we don't know about.
 
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desprado said:
If you do not have any logic or fact than plz do not post.


Really AMD PR is determined to make Fury X as a fail launch which is the last AMD want.
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So, how does Fury overclock?

That's right, you don't know. Your argument crumbles.


Again, take off the green glasses.


I post based on common sense and you guys jump at my throat. Okay. I'm off the thread.
 
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.vodka said:
Fair game, that's what they want.
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No, what AMD wants is any possible way to get out of the 22.5% to 77.5% market share hole they're in. From their point of view, if it takes cowing the reviewers by threatening to take away access to review samples (and thus endangering their sites and livelihood) in order to get more positive reviews then so be it.
 
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JDG1980 said:
It is an educated guess. A marketing department unethical enough to engage in this kind of behavior should not be given the benefit of the doubt in cases we don't know about.
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Thanks for the heads up. I'm already wary of EVERY corporation on this planet. I asked for proof, tho.
 
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.vodka said:
So, how does Fury overclock?

That's right, you don't know. Your argument crumbles.


Again, take off the green glasses.


I post based on common sense and you guys jump at my throat. Okay. I'm off the thread.
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18677219
One interesting thing that we just learned this week is that AMD will not allow you to overclock the memory when the first Fiji cards are released. AMD feels that the memory technology is too new and there is more than enough bandwidth, so they are locking down the ability to overclock the memory in AMD Overdrive. This might change down the road, but for the time being only the core clock can be overclocked by end users.
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When you post something plz post base on fact.
 
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Had to come back for this. I was aware of the HBM clockspeed lockdown.

So, you are complaining because you can't overclock that brand spanking new HBM memory that's already giving the card 512GB/s of memory bandwidth, a figure no other card can achieve without liquid nitrogen and for a few moments. Besides, they've said they'll enable the capability later. Maybe the technology doesn't lend itself to clock changes as GDDRx does. There are a multitude of new variables to consider. Yet you can overclock the core that will make ample use of that humongous amount of memory bandwidth no other card provides. Fiji is at a league of its own on that matter.

Unbelievable. You do not have a single argument.


I'm off.
 
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JDG1980 said:
It is an educated guess. A marketing department unethical enough to engage in this kind of behavior should not be given the benefit of the doubt in cases we don't know about.
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Wait till everyone finds out that 2 sets of drivers were used in a lot of reviews to test the 290x vs 390x to make the 390 look better.:whiste:

Now that's unethical.
 
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Had to come back for this. I was aware of the HBM clockspeed lockdown.

So, you are complaining because you can't overclock that brand spanking new HBM memory that's already giving the card 512GB/s of memory bandwidth, a figure no other card can achieve without liquid nitrogen and for a few moments. Besides, they've said they'll enable the capability later. Maybe the technology doesn't lend itself to clock changes as GDDRx does. There are a multitude of new variables to consider. Yet you can overclock the core that will make ample use of that humongous amount of memory bandwidth no other card provides. Fiji is at a league of its own on that matter.

Unbelievable. You do not have a single argument.


I'm off.
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Just stop it plz now you are scramming and i wont reply you.
 
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I think you guys really understate how many people htpc game though. A lot of people built htpc. It pisses me off even how many people have mini itx htpc gaming cased for the living room with too little power supplies and size for decent graphics cards. But I digress a lot of people want the power of a pc at their TV. A lot. Look no further than the Kodi and avs forums for people. Look how long the 4k HDTV thread is at overclockers(I'll let someone correct me I know I'm wrong I just can't remember the exact name), there are tons of massive threads if people HDTV gaming with pcs talking about which tvs are ok for gaming. Maybe they aren't up to your 2 ms response times. But since I haven't gamed on a monitor in years and don't play anything online in which I'm more than skillful enough to over 50 ms of input lag (lol seriously? I play on UK servers for fun lag doesn't bother me I adapt and win).

Only if I was at a Lan party would i ever care, otherwise, everyone has lag online, extra lag by my monitor/hdtb is never going to ever bother me.
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I have a good chuck of friends who hook up their PC's to their TV's or is part of their thousand dollar+ setup. They often fight about black levels so few of them are still holding on to their Kuro Elites. The ones that accepted Plasma is dead are loving their Panasonic VT something and are actually very critical of the current slew of 4K TV's do to bat black levels, lack of native content, and other stuff. Those who don't have a TV use a projector.

I get there is a portion of HTPC users that have a 4K TV and wish for 4k@60. But don't fool yourself in trying to claim even in the HTPC market those people are a big portion (from my own anecdotal evidence, and time spent at AVS, it's a small subset of HTPC users).

It is definitely unfortunate being the guy that is stuck out in the cold, I get it. I had a dead PS4 at launch. This product is clearly not for you, move on.
 
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Lol you can tell how confident that Kitguru dude is in his moronic rambling by the comments being disabled for that video. :rolleyes: What was the point of the video, exactly? I kinda feel bad for him, the video definitely makes him look clueless, and I don't think he really is. Confused, maybe.
 
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But I hear someone hacked the drivers to make them work on the 290 and performance went up.
Sounds fishy to me.
but that's for another time, I don't want to derail.:thumbsup:
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That's exactly what they did. They hacked the 15.15 drivers to work on the 290. Did you not read the article? /The results? It didn't matter.

Do you believe some random dude on the internet or an actual investigation by a tech site?
 
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