There's value in chipping away at massively overpriced GPUs. Undercutting by $100 while delivering double the memory and memory bandwidth....
Because Vega20 is still Vega. It's nothing more than a simple shrink.Where is the undercutting? You can buy RTX 2080 for $699 today.
I have been saying for a while. Expecting AMD to drastically improve Perf/$ was a pipe dream and here is yet another piece of evidence. They are essentially matching RTX 2080 almost exactly on price and performance, and thus Perf/$ goes nowhere.
Delivering on time which I think I read mid year. I wouldn't buy it without reading some reviews of the actual product so I'm just trying to figure out if I should hit the pause button till its potential release.
Why do you say that? I don't care about brand anymore so long as the drivers aren't a nightmare, but I'm sure people still buy based on brand even when prices aren't exactly in line.
How has AMD been at delivering GPUs they announce? I haven't bought one of their products in a while and was just considering a 2060 RTX to replace my GTX 1070, but this AMD offering looks interesting with all that RAM.
Because Vega20 is still Vega. It's nothing more than a simple shrink.
What matters are Navi and the architectures after. Especially if it's true that Navi will be the last GCN-based GPU/architecture.
You've been championing Nvidia's pricing all over the forum, so maybe you should champion the 16GB HBM2 7nm card as well. 16GB HBM2 and a new process!Where is the undercutting? You can buy RTX 2080 for $699 today.
I have been saying for a while. Expecting AMD to drastically improve Perf/$ was a pipe dream and here is yet another piece of evidence. They are essentially matching RTX 2080 almost exactly on price and performance, and thus Perf/$ goes nowhere.
Past history. Just look at what happened with the RX 480/580 and the GTX 1060, discounting the period of the mining boom.Why do you say that? I don't care about brand anymore so long as the drivers aren't a nightmare, but I'm sure people still buy based on brand even when prices aren't exactly in line.
You've been championing Nvidia's pricing all over the forum, so maybe you should champion the 16GB HBM2 7nm card as well. 16GB HBM2 and a new process!
It's exciting that an essentially straight 7nm Vega shrink can get ~2080 performance - it makes me hopeful for a more competitive landscape with Navi.
However the pricing isn't really exciting to say the least. Disappointing that AMD are pricing this so high. A 2080 level card at 2080 (non FE) pricing... Not very exciting.
Who cares about process when it still seems to suck power just as much as the earlier Vega while being somewhat faster. Just shows how much they need new architecture.You've been championing Nvidia's pricing all over the forum, so maybe you should champion the 16GB HBM2 7nm card as well. 16GB HBM2 and a new process!
It's exciting that a 7nm tweaked Vega shrink (it's not even full Vega20) can get ~2080 performance - it makes me hopeful for a more competitive landscape with Navi.
However the pricing isn't really exciting to say the least. Disappointing that AMD are pricing this so high. A 2080 level card at 2080 (non FE) pricing... Not very exciting.
It's exciting that a 7nm tweaked Vega shrink (it's not even full Vega20) can get ~2080 performance - it makes me hopeful for a more competitive landscape with Navi.
Can someone confirm/deny 128rops?That will be HUUUGE.
With 128rops there will be 8x shader engines and also +100% geometry speed vs vega 64 at same clock.4x shader engines was big bottlenek for amd cards since hawaii...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13832/amd-radeon-vii-high-end-7nm-february-7th-for-699
I never championed NVidia pricing. I hate the stalled perf/$.
I just pointed out that cards with dies up to twice as large as their predecessors cost a lot more to build and it's naive to think manufacturers would eat that cost. The counter argument seems to be more along the lines of NVidia prices them high because they are evil price gougers, while totally discounting the increased production costs.
Now that AMD has a new card, with the same perf/$ do we see those same people claiming AMD is price gouging? No we see the excuses.
Thats more or less how I feel as well. That being said I'm more in the ogling phase of gpu ownership, hooing and hawing at all the shiney new gpu's but unlikely to upgrade until late 2020. (unless something really disruptive gets released along the way or I cave to the weakness known as temptation)
Do not besmirch the good name of Gpusus. Gpusus shines it's rays upon all of the faithfull.Nvidia sold everyone on last years node marketed as the next coming of GPU Jesus
This is why you buy when a tremendous produce is released and sit on it for 4-5 years.To add to this, it also highlights just how disappointing RTX was after the huge wait.
Little raw performance increase unless you buy stratospheric 2080ti.
Gigantic die size, more heat/power, primarily because RTX/Tensor (as yet) are mostly pointless for gamers.
Memory size didn't really move (in fact, good AIB 1080ti 11GB > 2080FE 8GB imho)
Compared to 7xx to 9xx, and 9xx to 10xx, 10xx to RTX was ehhhhh. 970 was in the 780ti performance league. 1070 was in 980ti range. 2070 is absolutely below the 1080ti.
Hopefully by this time next year we'll be in much better shape. We're still sitting in the proximity of the exact price/performance of when 1070/1080 launched like two years ago. WTH.
Nvidia sold everyone on last years node marketed as the next coming of GPU Jesus. AMD sells on a new node that everyone accepts is more expensive plus they double the amount of RAM, expensive HBM2 no less which provides double the bandwidth, at the same price as their competitor. AMD would be gouging if they didn't give more for the same price. AMD is still the value proposition that's why they aren't price gouging. Make sense?
But for ages now AMD fans have been saying what things cost to produce doesn't matter.
Only perf/$ matters to the consumer.
But now AMD delivers the same perf/$, we suddenly we get excuses that production costs matter.
Not hypocritical at all. /s
New process at MUCH smaller die size makes it really hard to tell which die cost more. But for ages now AMD fans have been saying what things cost to produce doesn't matter.
Only perf/$ matters to the consumer.
But now AMD delivers the same perf/$, we suddenly we get excuses that production costs matter.
Not hypocritical at all. /s
Not bad, but I was really hoping they'd really put Nvidia's balls in a vice with a $500 price point if only for the sake of market share.
An 8gb version could fill that slot. If at $200 less than a 2080, AMD could have a real winner on their hands.Not bad, but I was really hoping they'd really put Nvidia's balls in a vice with a $500 price point if only for the sake of market share.
An 8gb version could fill that slot. If at $200 less than a 2080, AMD could have a real winner on their hands.