AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Rvenger]

And....?

Shouldnt we be looking at this atleast? And thats with a 6970.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_6.html#sect0

And Ill take my A8-3850 over a G540 any day. Why? It has 4 cores and I don't stare at fraps or even have it installed. Its plenty fast and doesn't choke under multiple running processes like my G530 did.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Try playing BF3 MP on your "monster pentium"...

While the pentium might be faster in older poorly threaded games, the A10 will be playable. Try telling me that BF3 MP will be playable in your "monster pentium..." How about you shows us some numbers of BF3 MP running acceptable in your "monster pentium"?
The pentium is simply unplayable in newer well threaded games.

Where does that leave all the other 99.999x% of games? Not to mention you need to run at the absoute lowest settings and a very low res on the iGPU.

 

[Abwx]

And....?

Shouldnt we be looking at this atleast? And thats with a 6970.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_6.html#sect0

Only a 6970...

 

[dastral]

A 50-60$ Celeron/Pentium+discrete GFX will be much better at gaming.

Depends on the games, but overall yes i agree., i would do the same as you : Celeron + 7750...
But what about Timmy and his mom/dad who know nothing and want to go "as cheap as possible" ?
What about future games with better multithreading ?
A SFF like Falcon Northwest Tiki or Hp Business Desktop 8200 Elite with A10 would be nice.
XBOX Alternative (and probably not much more expensive in the end).

I'm not saying A10 is a "great product" i'm saying there is a market for it : the 450$ "i can do games PC".
Which is the equivalent of the 450$ laptop that sell by millions every years.

 

[LogOver]

What about future games with better multithreading ?

You can always replace Celeron with faster CPU. In case of FM2 you're stuck with A10 for a while (and A10 is not good for gaming with external GPU):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_7.html#sect0

 

[alexruiz]

Where does that leave all the other 99.999x% of games? Not to mention you need to run at the absoute lowest settings and a very low res on the iGPU.

Show me it is indeed "99.99% of other games"

Frostbite 2 engine games need 4 threads. BF3, BF4, MoH:WF. There a lot of other games where the CPU impact is minimal. Let me find a few of those.

Yes, you have the poster children of poor optimization (starcraft 2, skyrim) where the intel cpus do better. But, they are still playable on AMD hardware. Hey, guild wars 2 and skyrim have very low minimum requirements, they can run on a HD6450. Frostbite 2.0 games on a pentium are NOT playable

Are you going to compile a table showing that it is indeed "99.99%" of the games? Are you going to track 30,000 games, or is it just another one of your usual exaggerations?

 

[alexruiz]

You can always replace Celeron with faster CPU. In case of FM2 you're stuck with A10 for a while (and A10 is not good for gaming with external GPU):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_7.html#sect0

In that case, you have already wasted the money on a celeron for a machine that cannot play every game today.
Steamroller will run on FM2.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Show me it is indeed "99.99% of other games"

Frostbite 2 engine games need 4 threads. BF3, BF4, MoH:WF. There a lot of other games where the CPU impact is minimal. Let me find a few of those.

Yes, you have the poster children of poor optimization (starcraft 2, skyrim) where the intel cpus do better. But, they are still playable on AMD hardware. Hey, guild wars 2 and skyrim have very low minimum requirements, they can run on a HD6450. Frostbite 2.0 games on a pentium are NOT playable

Are you going to compile a table showing that it is indeed "99.99%" of the games? Are you going to track 30,000 games, or is it just another one of your usual exaggerations?

You obviously know you are out on deep water, but still tries to deny it

 

[Gikaseixas]

and A10 is not good for gaming with external GPU
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_7.html#sect0

It is comparable to a i3 here: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46157-amd-a10-5800k-dual-graphics-evaluation/?page=2

 

[LogOver]

In that case, you have already wasted the money on a celeron for a machine that cannot play every game today.

Celeron G540 + HD 7750 (GT 640) can play every current game at 1920x1080 resolution with low to high settings (depends on the game) what Trinity is not able to do.

Steamroller will run on FM2.

Let's see first if it fits this socket and is not another CPU "flop".

As for Celeron game performance:

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/cpu-2011-summary-p13.html

 

[LogOver]

It is comparable to a i3 here: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...uation/?page=2

i3 is dual core. I was answering question about "future" multi-threaded games.

 

[Rvenger]

You obviously know you are out on deep water, but still tries to deny it

If a dual core pentium had HT, that would be acceptable but it doesn't. A dual core is old tech that relies on older software programming. It will start choking once more and more games are programmed like BF3, once the new consoles arrive here on the retail market. Last year I recommended a friend a 1gb graphics card to play all the latest games and I feel horrible now because 1 year later he is now hitting the VRAM limit on his games. Do yourself a favor and recommend at least an i3 over an A10. Not a dual core pentium, because that is in no way the CPU of the near future. LOL

 

[Rvenger]

Celeron G540 + HD 7750 (GT 640) can play every current game at 1920x1080 resolution with low to high settings (depends on the game) what Trinity is not able to do.

Again, a G540 + 7750 costs more $$. A 7750 with GDDR5 is a key determining factor whether it can play at 1080p or not.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Celeron G540 + HD 7750 (GT 640) can play every current game at 1920x1080 resolution with low to high settings (depends on the game) what Trinity is not able to do.

A10 was not designed to play every current game @ 1080p. Who told you it was???

 

[alexruiz]

You obviously know you are out on deep water, but still tries to deny it

Is that all you can say? Facts, we need facts.
You said it is 99.99%. I wanna see that list of 30,000 games.

Let me spell it easier for you, because you obviously have problems with numbers and understanding what they mean:
In the games where the pentium might be faster using a dedicated GPU, the A10 is playable. Just using the link provided by logover at xbitlabs, let's see the framerates for the A10:
89 fps in batman, 71 in dirt showdown, 98 in far cry 2, 99 in mafia 2, 72 in metro 2033 and 43 in starcraft 2. All of those are playable, and with the exception of starcraft, well above 60fps. Oh, and the lower number, starcraft, it is an RTs, 30fps are ok.

You also paid attention that those numbers linked show an i3, right? I don't see your "monster pentium" but it would be lower in batman and metro 2033. Now that makes it 5 games. Does the list you are compiling include 50,000 games?

Let me repeat it again and see if you digest it: The pentium might be faster at some games, but the A10 will be playable when it slower. The pentium will not be playable in those where it is slower.

Recommending and i3 over an A10 is perfectly valid, it is faster overall with a dedicated GPU.
Recommending a pentium / celeron is deceiving the person asking for the recommendation.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If a dual core pentium had HT, that would be acceptable but it doesn't. A dual core is old tech that relies on older software programming. It will start choking once more and more games are programmed like BF3, once the new consoles arrive here on the retail market. Last year I recommended a friend a 1gb graphics card to play all the latest games and I feel horrible now because 1 year later he is now hitting the VRAM limit on his games. Do yourself a favor and recommend at least an i3 over an A10. Not a dual core pentium, because that is in no way the CPU of the near future. LOL

The amount of games today and rest of the year supporting more than 2 threads can be counted on your hands. And I doubt you gonna see much more the next 1-2 years. And even then, the A10 is a very slow CPU and we are back again to the starting point of buying already outdated hardware for future use.

Not to mention the diminishing returns in alot of cases going up in thread amount.

 

[Abwx]

And even then, the A10 is a very slow CPU and we are back again to the starting point of buying already outdated hardware for future use.

But according to Hardware.fr a pentium G is even slower than an A10
according to their comparison chart showing the Pentium G tying
an Athlon X3 445.....

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/778-14/moyenne.html

And it will be worse in the next two years since
multithreading can only increase....

 

[Gikaseixas]

i3 is dual core. I was answering question about "future" multi-threaded games.

You said it was not good with an external GPU, i proved you wrong

and A10 is not good for gaming with external GPU):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_7.html#sect0

 

[Hacp]

You obviously know you are out on deep water, but still tries to deny it

I just went on steam to look at the top 15 games played currently. I searched benchmarks and youtube videos to see if those games were playable at non-choppy frames at 720.

Of course you're missing some key players like Blizzard Games(all playable), League of Legends(Playable), and BF3 multiplayer (not so playable). But this information shows that the A10 will run most games. For the majority of people, the A10 graphics will play anything they want.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I just went on steam to look at the top 15 games played currently. I searched benchmarks and youtube videos to see if those games were playable at non-choppy frames at 720.

Of course you're missing some key players like Blizzard Games(all playable), League of Legends(Playable), and BF3 multiplayer (not so playable). But this information shows that the A10 will run most games. For the majority of people, the A10 graphics will play anything they want.

720p, lowest settings? Great....Instead they could play the same games in 1080p on medium/high settings with a G540+HD7750 for the same money.

 

[Hacp]

720p, lowest settings? Great.....

That's true. If you looked at my earlier post, you can see that from the steam surveys, around 55% desktop users with dedicated GPUS have GPUS better than a 6670 and 45% of desktop users with dedicated GPUS have graphics equivalent to the 6670 or worse off. So a bit more than half of gamers like their settings higher in these games, and a bit less than half like their settings lower. Its basically a coin flip.

Instead they could play the same games in 1080p on medium/high settings with a G540+HD7750 for the same money

I'm sure you can find sales that support your claim. I would wait a month or two for prices of the A10 to stabilize and for discounts to materialize.

 

[Gikaseixas]

720p, lowest settings? Great....Instead they could play the same games in 1080p on medium/high settings with a G540+HD7750 for the same money.

is 1080p the most popular resolution among the casual gamer population???

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's true. If you looked at my earlier post, you can see that from the steam surveys, around 55% desktop users with dedicated GPUS have GPUS better than a 6670 and 45% of desktop users with dedicated GPUS have graphics equivalent to the 6670 or worse off. So a bit more than half of gamers like their settings higher in these games, and a bit less than half like their settings lower. Its basically a coin flip.


I'm sure you can find sales that support your claim. I would wait a month or two for prices of the A10 to stabilize and for discounts to materialize.

You confuse old hardware with new in your theory.

 

[Hacp]

You confuse old hardware with new in your theory.

I don't confuse anything. This was the September survey of steam users. I counted only users with dedicated graphics chips. It clearly states that of the people playing games on steam, 55% of Desktop GPUS are better than the A10 and 45% of Desktop GPUS are worse. So 45% of people are playing games at lower settings. There is a significant population that can stomach lower settings.

 

[ShintaiDK]

is 1080p the most popular resolution among the casual gamer population???

We talk about a person buying a new PC today.

And the amount of people on steam playing in 720p or less is around 5%.