AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[ShintaiDK]

I don't confuse anything. This was the September survey of steam users. I counted only users with dedicated graphics chips. It clearly states that of the people playing games on steam, 55% of Desktop GPUS are better than the A10 and 45% of Desktop GPUS are worse. So 45% of people are playing games at lower settings. There is a significant population that can stomach lower settings.

So you say they should buy A10, because people that didnt upgrade for ages still play some indie games? Ouch!

 

[Abwx]

We talk about a person buying a new PC today.

And the amount of people on steam playing in 720p or less is around 5%.

While 45% users have lower Q GPU than an A10...???..

Can we conclude that those ones are not bothered by low framerates..?..

 

[alexruiz]

Celeron G540 + HD 7750 (GT 640) can play every current game at 1920x1080 resolution with low to high settings (depends on the game) what Trinity is not able to do.

This has to be quoted as a FLAT OUT LIE:

1) The GT640 is DDR3, it chokes at 1920 x 1080.
2) The GT640 is NOT equivalent to a HD7750.
3) Ok, the GT640 is out, the HD7750 is in. This one can play every game at 1080p, even in low, but can play it. However, the celeron cannot. Show us numbers for a celeron playing BF3 MP or metro 2033 with a discrete video card.

People, please, stop recommending celerons. An i3 is ok, it is a fine piece of hardware. a pentium / celeron is NOT.

 

[ShintaiDK]

While 45% users have lower Q GPU than an A10...???..

Can we conclude that those ones are not bothered by low framerates..?..

And 50% got a dualcore or less. Can we conclude they dont need a quadcore? If we lower the bard again to HD2000/2500/3000/4000 and so on. How many buyers for APUs leave that?

I hope you can see the problem here with your kind of argumentation. There are better alternatives if you want CPU power, there are better alternatives if you want to game. The APUs falls between 2 chairs.

 

[Gikaseixas]

We talk about a person buying a new PC today.

And the amount of people on steam playing in 720p or less is around 5%.

You're full of it dude
Many people are still using lower resolutions and even if you buy today, odds are you might already have an older monitor at home. PC's die before monitors do. We need to take all of these things into account. Someone that buys a $400 PC doesn't necessarily need 1080p resolution.

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/most-popular-screen-resolution-increases-to-1366-x-768-20120411/


http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/statcounter-finds-1366-x-768-to-be-most-popular-screen-resolutio/

 

[ShintaiDK]

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You're full of it dude
Not according to this:
http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/most-popular-screen-resolution-increases-to-1366-x-768-20120411/

or this:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/statcounter-finds-1366-x-768-to-be-most-popular-screen-resolutio/

You should learn what you link to before making any claims.

And since we talk about gaming:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

There you go.

 

[Abwx]

Your proposition of pentium G is to use a lower performing part
with a discrete GFX.

Slice it where you want Trinity market is at a place where
it cant be touched without sacrifice in costs and building practicability...

The OEMs will give us a clue about the market positionning in the coming months.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This has to be quoted as a FLAT OUT LIE:

1) The GT640 is DDR3, it chokes at 1920 x 1080.
2) The GT640 is NOT equivalent to a HD7750.
3) Ok, the GT640 is out, the HD7750 is in. This one can play every game at 1080p, even in low, but can play it. However, the celeron cannot. Show us numbers for a celeron playing BF3 MP or metro 2033 with a discrete video card.

People, please, stop recommending celerons. An i3 is ok, it is a fine piece of hardware. a pentium / celeron is NOT.

Since you obviously wont google yourself, then why should others. Why dont YOU show us the numbers that it cant.

 

[Abwx]

And 50% got a dualcore or less. Can we conclude they dont need a quadcore?

Certainly , otherwise they would had got rid of those "ancient" PCs...

 

[sontin]

People, please, stop recommending celerons. An i3 is ok, it is a fine piece of hardware. a pentium / celeron is NOT.

Why is a Dual Core SB not a "fine piece of hardware"?
The iGPU of Trinity is not fast enough for 60fps in 1080p in nearly every game. So even if Trinity has the CPU power for 60 fps the iGPU is to slow for it.

If somebody is interessing in gaming it makes more sense to buy a Dual Core SB processor and GT640/7750 GDDR3 than the A10. Especially for the older games which are not using more than 2 threads.

 

[Gikaseixas]

You should learn what you link to before making any claims.

And since we talk about gaming:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

There you go.

My links show the most used resolution period. As for yours, guess which came is secong?

1366 x 768 - 18.84%


Users playing @ 1080p are most likely using $150 plus GPUs
1920 x 1080 - 27.72%

 

[ShintaiDK]

Certainly , otherwise they would had got rid of those "ancient" PCs...

So why waste the money on A10, when you can buy a G540+HD7750 for the same and game alot better with 2-3x the gaming performance?

Around we go....

 

[Abwx]

So why waste the money on A10, when you can buy a G540+HD7750 for the same and game alot better with 2-3x the gaming performance?

Around we go....

But with way lower CPU perfs and worsening with time since it has not HT,, no upgrability other than IB and its main strongold , i.e power drain , being shaved by an external GFX.

 

[alexruiz]

Since you obviously wont google yourself, then why should others. Why dont YOU show us the numbers that it cant.

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that I had provided links before, but here they are again:

"Monster" pentium on BF3

"Monster" pentium on BF3 again

Why is a Dual Core SB not a "fine piece of hardware"?
The iGPU of Trinity is not fast enough for 60fps in 1080p in nearly every game. So even if Trinity has the CPU power for 60 fps the iGPU is to slow for it.

If somebody is interessing in gaming it makes more sense to buy a Dual Core SB processor and GT640/7750 GDDR3 than the A10. Especially for the older games which are not using more than 2 threads.

You make a good point. The celeron is fine for web browsing, but recommending it for gaming is making a disservice to the person asking. See above links. The A10, with the same discrete video card will play the games. The celeron will be cheaper, but then, you know it already cannot play some games. I see the point perfectly of providing good performance in older games, but in the same older games where the celeron can play, so does the A10 with the iGPU

When you go discreet, you somehow expect to play anything you stumble upon, even if the settings are low. While that Hd7750 and an A10 will be at low settings in the more intensive games, it will be able to play them still. The celeron WILL NOT be able. Those $50 you saved just became a waste because some games are plainly unplayable and you need to upgrade to an i3. The cost of the i3 plus the cost of the celeron will already be more than the cost of the A10.

 

[Hacp]

And 50% got a dualcore or less.Can we conclude they dont need a quadcore?

Certainly. I'm on a tight budget and recently got a new rig. I got a AMD Athlon II 250 OC'd to 4.0GHZ. I had determined I didn't need a quad core.

If we lower the bard again to HD2000/2500/3000/4000 and so on. How many buyers for APUs leave that?

The HD4000 certainly would be a nice addition to the Pentium or Celeron Ivy Bridge CPUs. That would make them a serious option for many people. Unfortunetly, only the HD2500 exists for those processors.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that I had provided links before, but here they are again:

"Monster" pentium on BF3

"Monster" pentium on BF3 again

2 random forum posts to back up your claim? Amazing. While I do agree BF3 scales well, its not unplayabe. And where is Metro 2033?

And what about every other game sin the world? Or do people only play BF3 64 player maps on their APUs in 720p on lowest settings?

The entire defence of the weak APU essentially solos around BF3 MP.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The HD4000 certainly would be a nice addition to the Pentium or Celeron Ivy Bridge CPUs. That would make them a serious option for many people. Unfortunetly, only the HD2500 exists for those processors.

That wasnt what I asked for. The point was how many of the lower/older IGPs/iGPU can handle the same? Whats left for the APUs to do exclusively as iGPU, yet utterly fail flat to a equally priced setup with a discrete card.

 

[AtenRa]

720p, lowest settings? Great....Instead they could play the same games in 1080p on medium/high settings with a G540+HD7750 for the same money.

NO, G540+HD7750 cost more

AMD A10-5800K = $129,99



Intel Celeron G540 = $49,99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB = $109,99 or $99,99 AR

Total = $159,98 or $149,98AR




Now, i haven't understand why you people comparing an APU against a CPU + Discrete but i can play the same game.

AMD A6-3670K = $89,99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB = $109,99 or $99,99 AR

Total = $199,98 or $189,99

For a little more you have an unlocked QuadCore CPU and you could even play BF3 MT.

Why on earth should anyone buy the Celeron G540 or any Intel Dual Core for gaming ???

See what i did there ??? :whiste:

 

[Rvenger]

The amount of games today and rest of the year supporting more than 2 threads can be counted on your hands. And I doubt you gonna see much more the next 1-2 years. And even then, the A10 is a very slow CPU and we are back again to the starting point of buying already outdated hardware for future use.

Not to mention the diminishing returns in alot of cases going up in thread amount.

Then the i3 is a slow CPU and so is the Pentium. You can't overclock an I3 or a Pentium. Trinity is 3-4% slower than an i3-3225 and about equal or 1% better than an i3-2100. You can overclock to exceed the performance.


Just remember many games won't even launch on a single core CPU. Once dual core go in that direction and games will no longer launch... then it will be like hitting a brick wall.

 

[ShintaiDK]

NO, G540+HD7750 cost more

AMD A10-5800K = $129,99



Intel Celeron G540 = $49,99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB = $109,99 or $99,99 AR

Total = $159,98 or $149,98AR

See what i did there ??? :whiste:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131461
And look at the prices difference between FM2 and H61. You know the 15$ difference. That leaves the G540+HD7750 5$ cheaper than the 5800K. And with 2-3x the gaming performance.

Yes I saw what you did there, distort reality as usual.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Then the i3 is a slow CPU and so is the Pentium. You can't overclock an I3 or a Pentium. Trinity is 3-4% slower than an i3-3225 and about equal or 1% better than an i3-2100. You can overclock to exceed the performance.


Just remember many games won't even launch on a single core CPU. Once dual core go in that direction and games will no longer launch... then it will be like hitting a brick wall.

Do average joe overclock? I dont think so...

You would be surprised how many new games today are still singlethreaded.

 

[AtenRa]

Yes I saw what you did there, distort reality as usual.

Again, why are we comparing a Quad Core APU against a Dual Core CPU + Discrete ???

Ill tell you why, because Intel doesn't have an APU to compete against Trinity at the same price and you FanBoys trying to find an alternative. :whiste:

 

[alexruiz]

2 random forum posts to back up your claim? Amazing. While I do agree BF3 scales well, its not unplayabe. And where is Metro 2033?

And what about every other game sin the world? Or do people only play BF3 64 player maps on their APUs in 720p on lowest settings?

The entire defence of the weak APU essentially solos around BF3 MP.

Let me ask you again: Do you know how to read?
For what you wrote, it is obvious you didn't read those posts. Yes, it is 2 forums posts, but a google search reveals a ton of them. I know this is beyond your comprehension, but those forums posts used good methodology to troubleshoot. Use a dictionary to find what methodology is.

''In my tests when I disabled 2 cores on my i5-2500k (making bf3 2 threads) I also got the stutter. So it seems BF3 requires more than 2 threads / cores to run effectively."


What do you find as wrong with that root cause tracing? Nothing. He pinpointed the cause of the stutter.

About every other game is the world will BE playable in an AMD CPU, specially with a discrete video card. Or want to distort the perception and argue that 43fps in an RTS is "crap", but "heavy stutter" is "not unplayable"? Another one of your exaggerations as the "99.99%"?
The "60fps or bust" crowd will hang you alive for the "heavy stutter is not unplayable"

ps. Yes, 2 forums posts to prove my point, amazing. How many could you gather to prove that a celeron can play BF3 MP? Same situation as your 50000 games list? Is zero more amazing than 2?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Again, why are we comparing a Quad Core APU against a Dual Core CPU + Discrete ???

Ill tell you why, because Intel doesn't have an APU to compete against Trinity at the same price and you FanBoys trying to find an alternative. :whiste:

Same reason calling the APU good to game on and good value at the same time.

You call others fanboy? Oh the irony!

 

[AtenRa]

You call others fanboy? Oh the irony!

Im not the one to promote Celerons for Gaming