AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[NTMBK]

Derp!

Given how ridiculous the naming game has gotten in recent years, it's an easy mistake to make

Intel: "Pentium and i3 are dual core, i5 and i7 are quad core! Except for when they have two cores... or six cores... yeah."

AMD: "Intel have i3, i5 and i7! Unleash the A4, A6 and A8! Aha, take that, smaller number people!"

Customers: "Huh?"

 

[SPBHM]

But, but, but, but this is not in 1024x768

1080p

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-8/cpu-f1-2011-crysis-2-arma-ii.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_7.html#sect0

some games are a lot harder on the CPU than others, and some are a lot harder under some conditions (like BF3 MP vs SP, and unfortunately 95% of the tests are done with SP)...

to be honest most sites normally do a not so great job when comparing CPUs with games.

but as I said, I still think the $71 X4 740 have a lot of potential to be a great gaming CPU for the money... the 5800k for $122 is far less impressive (if you are not using the IGP), but still pretty decent.

 

[AtenRa]

Why on earth would you defend a company that isn't directly tied to your income?

AMD loses in price / performance anyway. Unless you are measuring performance of the supplemental heating capabilities of the CPU.

Really now, i will have to ask you the same question,

WHY ON EARTH do you downplay AMD products that are SUPERIOR to Intel (Trinity vs Core i3) ???

From the Anandtech Reviews

AMD Trinity has the Better Graphics performance
AMD Trinity is tied in CPU performance against the Core i3
AMD Trinity has lower Idle Power Consumption
AMD Trinity cost less than Core i3

To sum up from the above, AMD A10-5800K is the better product and yet you are trying hard to downplay it with every post you make.
I wonder why??

Not only that but when people say that AMD Trinity is the better product you ask them why they defending AMD ??? really ???

 

[The Alias]

Really now, i will have to ask you the same question,

WHY ON EARTH do you downplay AMD products that are SUPERIOR to Intel (Trinity vs Core i3) ???

From the Anandtech Reviews

AMD Trinity has the Better Graphics performance
AMD Trinity is tied in CPU performance against the Core i3
AMD Trinity has lower Idle Power Consumption
AMD Trinity cost less than Core i3

To sum up from the above, AMD A10-5800K is the better product and yet you are trying hard to downplay it with every post you make.
I wonder why??

Not only that but when people say that AMD Trinity is the better product you ask them why they defending AMD ??? really ???

because it loses to the i5 even though they cost like $80 /sarc

they just can't can't live with amd offering more in any specific price range

 

[piesquared]

Another article on the gGPU.

http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors...5600K-Break-Cover/Update-Game-Tests-Skyrim-an

This chip is clearly the winner at this price point.

 

[AtenRa]

Because the 3 AMD Fanboys you see everywhere posting complete BS need to be kept in check so that users seeking advice won't buy a inferior product.

Where is beginner99 now to keep the Intel Fanboys in check posting BS ???

 

[Phynaz]

Really now, i will have to ask you the same question,

WHY ON EARTH do you downplay AMD products that are SUPERIOR to Intel (Trinity vs Core i3) ???

Simple. Because it is inferior to the i3. It's slower, costs the same, uses more power.

Overall, except for the very bottom end of the market, it's a bad value. Even ANY Phenom with a cheap discreet GPU is better.

They need to price this at $50 to make it worth buying.

Even the stock market thinks so. AMD is down, while Intel is up today.

 

[SPBHM]

Another article on the gGPU.

http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors...5600K-Break-Cover/Update-Game-Tests-Skyrim-an

This chip is clearly the winner at this price point.

I just wonder why he tested Skyrim on ultra when high or medium would give a better experience (decent framerate) and the same probably for BF3...
but it's pretty clear that the ivy bridge IGP cannot keep up with trinity IGP.

 

[Phynaz]

Where is beginner99 now to keep the Intel Fanboys in check posting BS ???

Getting desperate enough to resort to name calling?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Really now, i will have to ask you the same question,

WHY ON EARTH do you downplay AMD products that are SUPERIOR to Intel (Trinity vs Core i3) ???

From the Anandtech Reviews

AMD Trinity has the Better Graphics performance
AMD Trinity is slower in CPU performance against the Core i3
AMD Trinity has lower Idle Power Consumption, with 75% higher load power consumption
AMD Trinity cost more than Core i3

To sum up from the above, AMD A10-5800K is the better product and yet you are trying hard to downplay it with every post you make.
I wonder why??

Not only that but when people say that AMD Trinity is the better product you ask them why they defending AMD ??? really ???

FTFY.

Only thing AMD has is better graphics performance, and most people care more about CPU, and the i3 offers higher CPU performance.

And where did you get that Trinity costs less? An i3 costs $130 and only needs cheap 1333MHz RAM. Also, you're great at downplaying the negatives like 75% higher power consumption under load.

AMD keeps targeting niche markets. For most people Intel has better products in all price points.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Simple. Because it is inferior to the i3. It's slower, costs the same, uses more power.

Overall, except for the very bottom end of the market, it's a bad value. Even ANY Phenom with a cheap discreet GPU is better.

They need to price this at $50 to make it worth buying.

Even the stock market thinks so. AMD is down, while Intel is up today.

This.

People keep forgetting that these are processors. Faster IGP is only a bonus for the vast majority of people, and if they had to choose they'd choose higher CPU performance coupled with lower power consumption. That's why Intel still wins.

 

[AtenRa]

Simple. Because it is inferior to the i3. It's slower, costs the same, uses more power.

Overall, except for the very bottom end of the market, it's a bad value. Even ANY Phenom with a cheap discreet GPU is better.

They need to price this at $50 to make it worth buying.

Even the stock market thinks so. AMD is down, while Intel is up today.

Now you are Trolling,

You can say that Core i3 has lower power consumption when in full load and i will give you that but calling the A10-5800K Inferior only because of that when A10-5800K has better graphics, tied in CPU loads, lower Idle power and cost less is Trolling.

It is Intel that needs to lower the Core i3 price not AMD.

Stock market has nothing to do with products in this thread

 

[RussianSensation]

Simple. Because it is inferior to the i3. It's slower, costs the same, uses more power.

Overall in games with a discrete GPU + applications, the A10-5800K is just 5% slower than i3 3220 in CPU performance and 1% slower than i3 2120.

Source

I am actually wondering if people bothered to read any reviews on the web, or AT's review? A10-5800K is nearly as fast as i3 3220 in CPU tasks and blows the i3 away in GPU related benchmarks. Now you can go ahead and buy an i3 + $70 GPU and it'll be faster but it'll cost you $70 more and have higher power consumption than A10-5800K.

"At its stock settings, the company’s flagship A10-5800K is generally faster than Intel’s Ivy Bridge-based Core i3-3220/3225 in heavily-threaded applications and slower in x86-oriented tasks that only run on one core." ~ Tom's Hardware

In specific applications, the A10-5800K is actually faster than the i3 3200:

Source


The next step is to buy a Phenom or Pentium G processor and a discrete GPU. Phenom II X4 965 is not really faster than A10 piledriver at 4.2ghz so that's right away an inferior move with far higher power consumption. Pentium G620 on Newegg is $64, and it's slower than the A10-5800K in CPU performance. I've been linking for a while now in my CPU & GPU performance comparisons in VC&G forum that Bulldozer is actually performing faster in newer titles vs. Phenom II but people aren't paying attention to this.

The days when Phenom II was faster than Bulldozer for games are coming to an end and fast. Therefore, Phenom II is no way better than the A10 @ 4.2ghz.

The funny part is people are ignoring what the CPU is meant for. If you encode videos, do some heavy rendering and are buying this $122 CPU you are looking at the wrong product for your needs. As an HTPC and as a budget gaming system, nothing right now beats it.

The target market for this processor probably plays games that are very popular like Blizzard games and MMOs. This APU is perfect for them without needing a discrete GPU.

If you are going with discrete GPU route, the 2 cheapest 28nm options are either the lacklustre GT640 for $90-100 or the HD7750 for $80-90. Both of those GPUs cost nearly as much as the A10-5800K CPU. For the millions of people who mainly play WOW, Dota 2, Diablo 3, Portal 2 and other such graphically basic games, this Trinity CPU offers unbeatable price/performance, not to mention HD4000 graphics doesn't come on i3 CPUs.

Let's say you want to play the upcoming XCom: Enemy Unknown game, this APU will mop the floor with the i3 and Intel graphics. 5-10% lower CPU performance and up to 2x faster GPU performance of HD4000 graphics.

 

[Phynaz]

Now you are Trolling,

You can say that Core i3 has lower power consumption when in full load and i will give you that but calling the A10-5800K Inferior only because of that when A10-5800K has better graphics, tied in CPU loads, lower Idle power and cost less is Trolling.

Please address the fact the Phenom II with a $40 discreet GPU is better than an A10.

Now we know why AMD withheld CPU, power and overclocking info to make Trinity appear in the best possible light.

 

[piesquared]

This.

People keep forgetting that these are processors. Faster IGP is only a bonus for the vast majority of people, and if they had to choose they'd choose higher CPU performance coupled with lower power consumption. That's why Intel still wins.

Nah, the gGPU is where all the innovation is happening. 90% of the industry agrees.

 

[Idontcare]

Nah, the gGPU is where all the innovation is happening. 90% of the industry agrees.

90% of what industry?

 

[Rvenger]

The i3 won 9/10 cases that concerned CPU performance. What are you even talking about?

And yes, it IS embarrassing that it loses despite having double the number of cores and being clocked almost 1GHz higher. It also uses 75% more power at full load, and people that want gaming will just buy discrete graphics. We're back at square zero.

Wasn't even talking about benchmarks.. I was being sarcastic to members like you that ruin threads such as this. So you can go on your high horse and brag all day long about how super fast intel is and how slow AMD is and what is going to happen in the end? The thread will get locked and you have sucked all the life out of what could have been a civil discussion. Please go elsewhere... Thank you.

 

[CHADBOGA]

90% of what industry?

The industry of fanboys from AMDZone. :whiste: :awe:

 

[SPBHM]

Now you can go ahead and buy an i3 + $70 GPU and it'll be faster but it'll cost you $70 more and have higher power consumption than A10-5800K.

or go with a $90 VGA and a $71 Athlon X4 740 (A8/A10 without IGP) and go with cheap 1333 DDR3, and you get 2.5x the gaming performance

this is very telling, there is no much point in gaming with IGPUs on desktops,
that's why people will play down the IGP performance, even if much better than the HD2500/4000

 

[RussianSensation]

some games are a lot harder on the CPU than others, and some are a lot harder under some conditions (like BF3 MP vs SP, and unfortunately 95% of the tests are done with SP)...

i5 3330 is a quad-core chip that costs $190. If you are playing Arma II games or other CPU and GPU demanding titles, you are probably not doing it on an budget gaming system. Trinity is not the target market for Crysis 2, Arma II, Metro 2033, Witcher 2 EE and BF3 gamers. It's the millions of people who play strategy games, MMOs, and games which are not graphically cutting edge.

Arma II games are incredibly demanding and I would wager that 95% of people who buy i3s and $120 APUs are never going to play this title. An i3 itself is a huge bottleneck in Arma II titles for anyone who plays this game seriously.

You are talking about a game where GTX680 can only get 30 fps at 1080P with MSAA.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660/21/

Again, BF3 is a useless benchmark for Trinity since the target market for this processor is not playing BF3 titles. It's going to be a person who wants to build a cheap HTPC or a budget system that can still play the popular games like Starcraft 2, WOW, Dota 2, CS:GO and so on. If you are playing BF3, you better get yourself an i5 2500K @ 4.5ghz+ and HD7950 OC for 1080P.

 

[The Alias]

mobo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131883
cpu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113280
ram : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104264
storage : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147163
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147153
psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139027

total = $505

mobo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128546
cpu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116775
ram : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233335
storage : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147163
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147153
psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139027

total = $498

now which system would you rather have ?

 

[RussianSensation]

this is very telling, there is no much point in gaming with IGPUs on desktops,
that's why people will play down the IGP performance, even if much better than the HD2500/4000

Crysis 2? Again, you guys clearly aren't grasping the target market for this product. I could sit here all day link Metro 2033 benchmarks to show how A10-5800K is worthless. If you heard of the game called Crysis 2, BF3 or Metro 2033, you are not buying a $122 CPU+GPU setup.

The option you linked is $71+90= $161. Again, not apples-to-apples. If you are willing to spend $160-200, there are better options, obviously.

Right now, you can get the A10-5800K and a $30 60GB SSD for less than $160:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/...ies_60GB_SATA_3Gb-s_25_Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)

That's a very cheap kit for a basic HTPC system and of course AMD GPUs offers far superior image quality to Intel CPUs for video playback.

 

[SPBHM]

i5 3330 is a quad-core chip that costs $190. If you are playing Arma II games or other CPU and GPU demanding titles, you are probably not doing it on an budget gaming system. Trinity is not the target market for Crysis 2, Arma II, Metro 2033, Witcher 2 EE and BF3 gamers. It's the millions of people who play strategy games, MMOs, and games which are not graphically cutting edge.

Arma II games are incredibly demanding and I would wager that 95% of people who buy i3s and $120 APUs are never going to play this title. An i3 itself is a huge bottleneck in Arma II titles for anyone who plays this game seriously.

You are talking about a game where GTX680 can only get 30 fps at 1080P with MSAA.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660/21/

Again, BF3 is a useless benchmark for Trinity since the target market for this processor is not playing BF3 titles. It's going to be a person who wants to build a cheap HTPC or a budget system that can still play the popular games like Starcraft 2, WOW, Dota 2, CS:GO and so on. If you are playing BF3, you better get yourself an i5 2500K @ 4.5ghz+ and HD7950 OC for 1080P.

really? i3 3220 performs a lot better (than the AMD CPUs, not to far off from the i5) for the same price on Arma 2, so?

and about your assumptions, I played a lot of Arma 2 on my i3 2100, it works well most of the time, better then the equivalent priced options at the time,

also I know a lot of people playing BF3 with cheap systems, that why you can lower res and other settings............

Crysis 2? Again, you guys clearly aren't grasping the target market for this product. I could sit here all day link Metro 2033 benchmarks to show how A10-5800K is worthless. If you heard of the game called Crysis 2, BF3 or Metro 2033, you are not buying a $122 CPU+GPU setup.

The option you linked is $71+90= $161. Again, not apples-to-apples. If you are willing to spend $160-200, there are better options, obviously.

Right now, you can get the A10-5800K and a $30 60GB SSD for less than $160:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/...ies_60GB_SATA_3Gb-s_25_Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)

That's a very cheap kit for a basic HTPC system and of course AMD GPUs offers far superior image quality to Intel CPUs for video playback.

if you don't need higher gaming performance, than the appeal of the faster IGP will also go down...
go on youtube for a moment, you will find all sorts of low end systems running games like Crysis 2,
also, the $160 combination I suggested will gain some of the money back on the slower ram you can use (with no real negative impact), and again, for any gaming, is just so much faster that... well..

 

[Phynaz]

now which system would you rather have ?

Neither. I'd do what I just did for my kids' best friend. Buy him a Phenom and a GPU.

 

[RussianSensation]

total = $498
now which system would you rather have ?

What is the graphics card in the 2nd system? Intel HD Graphics 2500? D:

The hardcore gamers on this forum have to realize that millions of PC gamers don't play FPS. Linking Crysis 2 to prove a point misses the entire point of what market this product is aimed for.

--> Strategy, Casual and Role-playing games by far dominate PC gaming. A10-5800K creams an i3 3200 system for all 3 of these massively popular genres.

You want to play Minecraft on a cheap PC? No problem. You want to play Minecraft on an i3 3220? Ya, good luck to you. $90 GT640, still worse.