If I'm not interested in gaming, the second one.
If I'm interested in gaming, the second one plus a 110$ HD7770.
If I'm not interested in gaming, the second one.
If I'm interested in gaming, the second one plus a 110$ HD7770.
Looks good. $109 A10-5600K + $65 A75 mobo looks like a great low-end gaming system combo in a $350-400 system.
RussianSensation
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Dude seriously, Arma II is a hardcore game. You know the type of game that people who play it love hardcore games. This game makes BF3 look like a toy in terms of realism. The millions of people going out to a store to buy a basic PC that can play games like Diablo 3, WOW have never even heard of Arma II and have no intention to play it or Metro 2033 or Crysis 2. For those people who play Arma II, you can check out forums of people complaining that HD6950 OC is not cutting it. Ya, you can play Arma II at 1920x1080 on LOW and net 5 fps more with an i3 3220 but you are going to need a $300+ modern GPU to play this game without it looking like garbage.
Let's say your uncle or your mom asks you to build her a cheap gaming PC for as cheap as possible so he can play WOW, SC2, D3, Dota 2, XCOM: EU. What are you going to recommend them? A Core i3 3220?
You can look at the data but FPS games comprise just 10% of the entire PC gaming genre. What do the other 90% of PC gamers play then? I already listed many of the hugely popular Blizzard games and Minecraft. For those users the Trinity APU is perfect and cheap.
And if you budget is $300-350 for the entire PC (without monitor) and you still want to play basic games?
A10-5800K + 60GB SSD at MC is $160.
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You can't. Don't tell me you can build a PC for 350$ because it's getting ridiculous.
I disagree
DayZ (arma 2 mod) reached something like 1mi players in a few months, and it attracted a lot of casual gamers, lot's of gamers with low end systems,
the VGA is not a big deal for arma 2, since you can reduce some details and get decent framerate from something like the 5750 I used, as for the CPU no way... on some areas it was always around 25-30FPS for me (with low GPU usage), with the i3 at it's limit (and since the game only uses 2 cores, i5s were not massively faster)
I would recommend something like the x4 740 + discrete graphics
Phynaz
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The hardcore gamers on this forum have to realize that millions of PC gamers don't play FPS. Linking Crysis 2 to prove a point misses the entire point of what market this product is aimed for.
Top selling PC games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PC
The vast majority will run just fine on an Ivy i3. They may even run better on an i3 than an A10.
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The Alias
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case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147023
mobo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157333
psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153023
ram : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104203
cpu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113281
storage : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227725
total : $357
The Alias
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damn it you beat me to it by only a minute too
Olikan
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Phynaz
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You both know in order to work a PC needs a monitor? An operating system? A mouse and a keyboard? Some cheap speakers?
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If your budget is $350 you are probably a student or else should not be playing games and should be using it to eat or something instead. If you're a student the Win7 student price isn't that bad. Can also re-use OS, obviously. I suppose Linux and Wine might work for some games too.
You can re-use kb, mouse, monitor, speakers (or headphones). If you have none to re-use, you can find used parts for pretty cheap. Many people even give away old monitors, mostly CRTs though. A Logitech kb+mouse combo is $10-15 on sale.
You can re-use kb, mouse, monitor, speakers (or headphones). If you have none to re-use, you can find used parts for pretty cheap. Many people even give away old monitors, mostly CRTs though. A Logitech kb+mouse combo is $10-15 on sale.
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If you don't already have those then you obviously haven't owned a computer in the last 10 years.
Keyboard? Mouse? I have about 10 in my closet and you can purchase them at a dollar store practically.
Monitor? Hook it up to a damn LCD TV.
OS? Windows 8 will be on sale for cheap soon or use your existing OS and reactivate by calling Microsoft. (Retail copies only) Manufacturer specific copies are illegal to do.
Speakers? Who needs them when you have a pair of headphones handy.
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The Alias
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well since you wanna go theerree I got ubuntu and trinity will definitely beat your i3 since linux knows how to use the piledriver architecture better and DOESN'T use hyperthreading well AT ALL
seriously keep the trolling to a minimum pretty please?
inf64
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I think this forum may be the last stronghold of the blue force fan club. Even the traditional intel-biased reviewers acknowledged that Trinity has its rightful place on the market. It offers decent x86 performance(on par with top i3s on average) with best iGPU on the market. And does it all at 100W for QC CPU and GPU. Oh and it costs 122$.
Winning
.
Winning
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LOL_Wut_Axel
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I think this forum may be the last stronghold of the blue force fan club. Even the traditional intel-biased reviewers acknowledged that Trinity has its rightful place on the market. It offers decent x86 performance(on par with top i3s on average) with best iGPU on the market. And does it all at 100W for QC CPU and GPU. Oh and it costs 122$.
Winning
No, it isn't. No, it doesn't.
Even at 4.4GHz it's slower than a Core i3-3220/3225.
And LOL at celebrating over having the fastest integrated graphics.
No, it isn't. No, it doesn't.
Even at 4.4GHz it's slower than a Core i3-3220/3225.
And LOL at celebrating over having the fastest integrated graphics.
Real big difference in time above
Quit ruining the thread.
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inf64
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You do realize that difference between that i3 and 5800K @ stock is just 3.4%? You realize this is basically within the margin of error of measurement? It's not 5%,it's not 10%. It's 3.4%.
Oh and yes, on top of on par x86 performance it has MUCH faster GPU on die and better idle power(PCs spend 90+% of their run time being idle or doing very little). It can OC too,especially on the GPU side. It can also pair up with discrete card and get you another ~40-50% of added performance,a thing which intel+discrete won't give you.
Again,pure win.
Oh and yes, on top of on par x86 performance it has MUCH faster GPU on die and better idle power(PCs spend 90+% of their run time being idle or doing very little). It can OC too,especially on the GPU side. It can also pair up with discrete card and get you another ~40-50% of added performance,a thing which intel+discrete won't give you.
Again,pure win.
No, it isn't. No, it doesn't.
Even at 4.4GHz it's slower than a Core i3-3220/3225.
And LOL at celebrating over having the fastest integrated graphics.
The difference shown there is 3.5% for the stock A10 and 0.7% for the overclock. You're attempt to prove how superior the i3 is just shows that the A10 is in fact on par with it when it comes to CPU related tasks.
The Alias
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No, it isn't. No, it doesn't.
Even at 4.4GHz it's slower than a Core i3-3220/3225.
And LOL at celebrating over having the fastest integrated graphics.
4% slower cpu performance oooo
yup we are celebrating over having the fastest integrated graphics because if we can buy a $350 pc (http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34043521&postcount=357) and be able to play games at 720p with good settings and that is amazing
If I already have those then probably I already have a PC that can play games better than the integrated GPU on the A10. That being said ad around 100$ more on top of that 350$ build get an i3-3220 with a 7770 and really play some games. Not just pretend.
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