AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Centauri]

From what I'm reading, setting Trinity up to use RAM faster than 1866 is very difficult compared to Llano - is this true? I'm trying to decide what memory to buy for this build, and if 2133 is going to be a total waste then I'll save the $10.

OTOH, I guess I might want it in anticipation of swapping out for a new APU in 2013?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You do realize that difference between that i3 and 5800K @ stock is just 3.4%? You realize this is basically within the margin of error of measurement? It's not 5%,it's not 10%. It's 3.4%.

Oh and yes, on top of on par x86 performance it has MUCH faster GPU on die and better idle power(PCs spend 90+% of their run time being idle or doing very little). It can OC too,especially on the GPU side. It can also pair up with discrete card and get you another ~40-50% of added performance,a thing which intel+discrete won't give you.

Again,pure win.

Maybe because almost all of the programs in the review are multi-threaded to make it look better? Even then, the i3 still won. On anything single-threaded it's still a dog, like music encoding and most games.

And idle power savings means nothing when the difference is under 10W on a desktop. That's less than a $5 difference a year even on a country with high energy costs. Less than 10W won't make a desktop run any hotter, either. The big difference is that Trinity consumes around 75% more power under CPU load than Ivy Bridge, yet of course you conveniently never mention that.

 

[AtenRa]

Maybe because almost all of the programs in the review are multi-threaded to make it look better? Even then, the i3 still won. On anything single-threaded it's still a dog, like music encoding and most games.

I begin to believe that you dont read the reviews but you only quote graphs that suite your needs.

Lame and iTunes were included in the review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-trinity-efficiency,3315-7.html

Those two apps are the reason the i3 is in front, take off those two and Trinity wins more than 3.4% on average.

And idle power savings means nothing when the difference is under 10W on a desktop. That's less than a $5 difference a year even on a country with high energy costs. Less than 10W won't make a desktop run any hotter, either. The big difference is that Trinity consumes around 75% more power under CPU load than Ivy Bridge, yet of course you conveniently never mention that.

Well, Transcoding a two hour movie with A10-5800K will take 47 minutes less* than Core i3 3220. Higher power consumption gives you lower transcoding time.

*Measured from the Anandtech A10-5800K review using the x264 HD5.0.1. benchmark (second pass)

 

[Phynaz]

I can't help but notice how much the Red Team keeps calling everybody else trolls.

Says a lot about them.

Anybody been over the Zone yet? Is it a love fest over there?

Edit:
Lol, according the Zoners I'm a paid Intel spy.

I'm surprised, all the talk over there is about Intel, and not AMD. Maybe they should call themselves Intelzone.

You should be less concerned about the actions of other people, and more concerned about your own actions. Otherwise you'll quickly finding yourself getting infractions.
-ViRGE

 

[taltamir]

I can't help but notice how much the Red Team

AMD dropped the ATI brand some time ago so now its team green (nvidia) vs team green (AMD). Both companies use a green logo.

 

[leper84]

After reading reviews I really have to note how utterly disgusting a lead AMD has over Intel in graphics performance. I just have to wonder if Intel ever plans to compete head to head with AMD in this market or whether they will cower away to hide in their ancient, shrinking x86 market? I believe the writing is on the walls for Intel if they can't figure out some way, any way to even compete with AMD's last generation products.

People keep saying Haswell will change everything and that AMD better watch out cause it will be a game changer, but they fanatically spouted the same nonsense, in denial, about Ivy Bridge graphics. I don't mean to rant but it seems that in the only market that really matters moving forwards, Intel is pretty much inadequate and doomed.

 

[SPBHM]

AMD dropped the ATI brand some time ago so now its team green (nvidia) vs team green (AMD). Both companies use a green logo.

AMD is pretty much still the red team when it comes to Graphic and APUs

 

[Rvenger]

I can't help but notice how much the Red Team keeps calling everybody else trolls.

Says a lot about them.

Anybody been over the Zone yet? Is it a love fest over there?

EDIT: Stupid garbage post by me

 

[Phynaz]

I guess your accusing me of being on the red team too. I am probably one the most unbiased people, period. Your quote above is baiting forum members which is against the forum rules.

Am I? Did you stoop to calling people names rather than discussing the facts?

Oh just stop, both of you
-ViRGE

 

[The Alias]

ok so let's try to get to a consensus here :
the 5800k is overall better than the i3 multithreaded applications, but loses in single threaded ones .
the 5800k's igp is WAYYY more powerful than hd4000 .
i3's are more far more efficient than the 5800k .

Now this is where it gets interesting . it costs $50 more dollars for the i3 to achieve graphics parity with the 5800k and then it would have lost it's advantage in efficiency as well so from lloking at it that way it seems the i3 is over priced

 

[pelov]

Now this is where it gets interesting . it costs $50 more dollars for the i3 to achieve graphics parity with the 5800k and then it would have lost it's advantage in efficiency as well so from lloking at it that way it seems the i3 is over priced

That's actually an interesting thought. Because both nVidia and Intel have given up on refreshing their products on the 28nm node for the low end, there's a gap there for Intel as far as cheap CPU + cheap GPU. It exists for AMD as well, although I guess they fill it a bit better with the Trinity APUs.

It's a sign of the times. Come next gen we'll have no need for a 7750. I kinda like the sound of that

 

[Rvenger]

That's actually an interesting thought. Because both nVidia and Intel have given up on refreshing their products on the 28nm node for the low end, there's a gap there for Intel as far as cheap CPU + cheap GPU. It exists for AMD as well, although I guess they fill it a bit better with the Trinity APUs.

It's a sign of the times. Come next gen we'll have no need for a 7750. I kinda like the sound of that

I am now curious what Steamroller will do for the CPU side.

 

[pelov]

I am now curious what Steamroller will do for the CPU side.

Forget Steamroller. I'm looking forward to the Jaguar-based products Bobcat successor? Yesplz.

 

[Phynaz]

I am now curious what Steamroller will do for the CPU side.

http://techreport.com/review/23485/amd-cto-reveals-first-steamroller-details

 

[bononos]

That's actually an interesting thought. Because both nVidia and Intel have given up on refreshing their products on the 28nm node for the low end, there's a gap there for Intel as far as cheap CPU + cheap GPU. It exists for AMD as well, although I guess they fill it a bit better with the Trinity APUs.

It's a sign of the times. Come next gen we'll have no need for a 7750. I kinda like the sound of that

The FM2 socket also has abit more life with another generation to go.

 

[The Alias]

The FM2 socket also has abit more life with another generation to go.

2 actually

 

[Rvenger]

Forget Steamroller. I'm looking forward to the Jaguar-based products Bobcat successor? Yesplz.

I'll take that too

 

[pelov]

The FM2 socket also has abit more life with another generation to go.

You say this as if it's a good thing

That FM2 timeline is what really irks me. I really didn't want to see them sticking to a single chipset and socket for 2 generations or 2 full years. To me that shows that they're not going to change anything significantly as far as layout and integration goes, and I fear that's what will likely hurt them on both CPU and GPU performance. Regardless of what they can muster up, they're going to be limited by socket/chipset constraints. Essentially, whatever Kaveri brings, while it might bring great performance bumps with the widening front end (and it certainly will), the APU designs will still suffer from the current onion&garlic bottlenecks and Haswell will trump it in power consumption.

I'd have liked to see a new chipset and socket after Kaveri. It would show that AMD was pushing forward with respect to the current issues that persist in Trinity APU platform. The lack of a chipset and socket means that we're going to be waiting 3 years until that happens. I guess we could potentially see drastic changes in the pure desktop non-APU platform and Hondo, but it still doesn't bode well for FM2

 

[frozentundra123456]

I begin to believe that you dont read the reviews but you only quote graphs that suite your needs.

Yea, Aten, I have never seen you cherry pick a benchmark, like the encoding one which is the absolute best case for AMD. <sarcasm>

 

[frozentundra123456]

That's actually an interesting thought. Because both nVidia and Intel have given up on refreshing their products on the 28nm node for the low end, there's a gap there for Intel as far as cheap CPU + cheap GPU. It exists for AMD as well, although I guess they fill it a bit better with the Trinity APUs.

It's a sign of the times. Come next gen we'll have no need for a 7750. I kinda like the sound of that

I take it that you are positing that next gen igpus are going to be as good as the HD7750? I hope you are right. Then they would start to make sense for a gaming machine. Despite how much better AMD is on the graphics side (on the desktop), and how much the AMD fans try to claim it, no igpu now is really adequate for gaming. Looking at Toms hardware article, he tested 10 games at 1080p. On an A10, 4 were totally unplayable, 3 could be played only on low settings, and 3 played fairly well.

I can just see the scenario: the salesman at a big box store tells the customer how great a gaming machine the A10 is and sells a 1080p monitor to go with it. Customer gets home and tries to play BF3, Witcher 2, Metro 2033, etc. and finds he cannot play them even at lowest settings at native resolution. Wow, great gaming machine. Just imagine how well it will play games in a couple of years after the new consoles come out and hopefully up the graphics ante.

 

[The Alias]

I take it that you are positing that next gen igpus are going to be as good as the HD7750? I hope you are right. Then they would start to make sense for a gaming machine. Despite how much better AMD is on the graphics side (on the desktop), and how much the AMD fans try to claim it, no igpu now is really adequate for gaming. Looking at Toms hardware article, he tested 10 games at 1080p. On an A10, 4 were totally unplayable, 3 could be played only on low settings, and 3 played fairly well.
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gaming at 1080 ? sure, but you're missing a big point in the apus . you can now build a system for $350 that'll play most games at 720p and deliver an enjoyable experience . The amount of win there is simply unbelievable !

 

[frozentundra123456]

gaming at 1080 ? sure, but you're missing a big point in the apus . you can now build a system for $350 that'll play most games at 720p and deliver an enjoyable experience . The amount of win there is simply unbelievable !

Each to his own I guess. Can you even buy a 720p monitor anymore?I suppose a TV maybe, but no real PC monitors. I have a six year old system and it is 900p.

But if you are so determined to prove that AMD is great that you are willing to game at 720p, more power to you.

Personally, my feeling is that if one has the disposable income to buy games, it is a small additional step to acquire a decent gaming PC with at least an i5 and a mid level discrete card, even if you have to save up for a while or delay buying some games until they go on sale cheap on Steam.

 

[Ferzerp]

Personally, my feeling is that if one has the disposable income to buy games, it is a small additional step to acquire a decent gaming PC with at least an i5 and a mid level discrete card, even if you have to save up for a while or delay buying some games until they go on sale cheap on Steam.

And that's the problem with igpus... Until they're fast enough to, you know, play a game on, buying one (or telling people to buy one) based on gaming performance is a little silly. There are stupid low quality games that will run on literally anything less than 5 years old, then there are things that none of these igpus play worth mentioning, but we seem to have a lot of people jumping through some mental hoops pointing out how great they are.

AMD has a decent gpu division other than multi-gpu stuttering issues, and on the extreme low end, have a part that I'd not wish on anyone who wanted to play a game http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/535 . However, paste something even slower on a cpu, and some folks would have you think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Sorry, an anemic (though, obviously, less anemic than Intel's) igpu on a mediocre cpu doesn't suddenly make it worth buying. If you don't care about playing games, you end up buying the other brand. If you do care about games, you end up buying the other brand and a discrete gpu (either amd or nvidia).

Maybe there is some silly hipster movement for ultra-low resolution, ultra-low detail gaming that I don't know about?

 

[The Alias]

Each to his own I guess. Can you even buy a 720p monitor anymore?I suppose a TV maybe, but no real PC monitors. I have a six year old system and it is 900p.

But if you are so determined to prove that AMD is great that you are willing to game at 720p, more power to you.

Personally, my feeling is that if one has the disposable income to buy games, it is a small additional step to acquire a decent gaming PC with at least an i5 and a mid level discrete card, even if you have to save up for a while or delay buying some games until they go on sale cheap on Steam.

I'm not determined to prove amd is great . I just see value where you do not . if you wanted a system to game on and were on a $400 budget you'd have three options : a ps3 with maybe 3-4 new games, an xbox 360 with 2-3 game and a years worth of xbl, and a pc with several great free games and several new games . The point is never before has pc gaming been competitive at this price range .

 

[Hacp]

You say this as if it's a good thing



I'd have liked to see a new chipset and socket after Kaveri. It would show that AMD was pushing forward with respect to the current issues that persist in Trinity APU platform. The lack of a chipset and socket means that we're going to be waiting 3 years until that happens. I guess we could potentially see drastic changes in the pure desktop non-APU platform and Hondo, but it still doesn't bode well for FM2

We know that AMD will be switching to a half node process shrink so we'll be seeing better chips outright on the FM2. DDR3 is pretty cheap right now, so I think its wise for people to buy a cheap 8gb set that'll overclock decently for 40-45 bucks if thats what they want.