Question AMD 5700G vs Intel 11600k (8-core vs 6-core)

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13Gigatons

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Non-gaming machine.

6-cores, better motherboard, lower price.
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8-cores, mediocre motherboard, slightly higher price.
 

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Is alder lake with DDR4 an option?
 

coercitiv

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Is alder lake with DDR4 an option?
In theory it is, in practice the boards are more expensive than anything discussed here. We could compare total system cost for all platforms, though we would need to know form factor and cooler requirements.

The OP sounds like the perfect candidate for unreleased ADL-S non-k SKUs and B chipset boards.
 

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In theory it is, in practice the boards are more expensive than anything discussed here. We could compare total system cost for all platforms, though we would need to know form factor and cooler requirements.

The OP sounds like the perfect candidate for unreleased ADL-S non-k SKUs and B chipset boards.
I picked up Z490 Aorus Elite and X570 TUF Gaming WIFI for $100 shipped each here in FS/FT. The spectrum of bang for buck is vast. But of course it requires the criteria you listed at minimum. And you nailed it, OP could not have been more vague. I will give him a pass since it's a Holiday and there are more important things to do than NEF on the forums.
 

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Yup, but that is distinctly different different than Plex Premium functionality.

Having actually used my Quadro to encode some videos via handbrake, I’d say the time saved if you are just trying to resize for mobile/iPad screens or put dvd dumps into recent encoding formats the time saved is easily worth the small loss of quality.
Yeah, I understand it is different, but nothing the 5700G could not easily do. The reason it has always been the holy grail is because of SFF builds meant to be silent or near silent. Usually using a Athlon, Pentium, Celeron, etc. A 5 series APU even in low power mode is not going to struggle bus it.

And preachin' to the choir about using NVENC. I use the highest Q settings MKV for NVENC when transcoding blurays and they look really good. 2070 Super can power through the film file for a movie like Infinity War in 20-25 minutes.

And the OP probably does not need it to do any of this. :D It only came up as a talking point being regurgitated, because it was one of the only check marks favoring team blue in this Versus Death match to the death! ;)
 
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11600K is only 5% faster on average than 5600G so the OP can save money by going with 5600G.
 

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Yeah, I understand it is different, but nothing the 5700G could not easily do. The reason it has always been the holy grail is because of SFF builds meant to be silent or near silent. Usually using a Athlon, Pentium, Celeron, etc. A 5 series APU even in low power mode is not going to struggle bus it.

Retreading this - it’s not that the 5700G can’t do it, but the time it takes to load a stream that’s be actively transcoded (for say, a remotely connected client using your Plex server like Netflix) can chug hard without hardware acceleration. It might take minutes for it to buffer enough up to start streaming. If it can’t decode/encode fast enough then it will buffer while watching and pause the stream. You also run the risk of something else, anything else happening on the server really and boom, it’s basically over and the transcoded stream is unwatchable (I consider any pauses for buffering unacceptable).

That’s why you are always going to hear about Nvidia Quadros (the pinky in the air solution with nvenc and unlimited streams) or Intel CPUs (the pleb solution with 7th Gen and later) for Plex servers because CPU transcoding only scales to one client.

I use a 1650 Super in mine (doubles as a simulation box for indoor cycling, lifted from a certain HP deal we are both very familiar with) and that is limited to two streams via nvenc but it does basically mean a transcoded stream kicks in almost instantly.

AMDs encoding situation is poor enough that I don’t believe Plex supports it all, at least as of the time I pulled that 1650. Hopefully they (AMD) will remedy that at some point but yeah, to your point, that’s not impacting their sales at all IRL.
 

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Retreading this - it’s not that the 5700G can’t do it, but the time it takes to load a stream that’s be actively transcoded (for say, a remotely connected client using your Plex server like Netflix) can chug hard without hardware acceleration.
Before asking pointed questions about the above quote. Thank you. I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to educate me on one of the innumerable topics I know little or nothing about. :beercheers:

The questions: What is the fastest, highest thread count CPU you have seen attempt that workload? Do you have a good resource that is fairly fast to search for info on the topic? Because wading through A/V forums and such, can be ponderous.

EDIT: Top hit on my first search - https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/g...uad-channel-dedicated-transcoding-monster/133

Seems like an old 16 thread Xeon made a "monster" Plex transcoder a couple of years ago. "This is an 8 Core CPU with Hyperthreading, which gives it 16 threads total. Plex Transcoder has true multi-threaded support and will take advantage of all 16 threads. So while this CPU might not be clocked as fast as what most of you are used to, the sheer amount of cores/threads will more than make up for it."

Unless something has changed, seems like a 5700G is up to the task. The 11600K would be capable even without the iGPU, according to that guide.
 
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Before asking pointed questions about the above quote. Thank you. I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to educate me on one of the innumerable topics I know little or nothing about. :beercheers:

The questions: What is the fastest, highest thread count CPU you have seen attempt that workload? Do you have a good resource that is fairly fast to search for info on the topic? Because wading through A/V forums and such, can be ponderous.

EDIT: Top hit on my first search - https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/g...uad-channel-dedicated-transcoding-monster/133

Seems like an old 16 thread Xeon made a "monster" Plex transcoder a couple of years ago. "This is an 8 Core CPU with Hyperthreading, which gives it 16 threads total. Plex Transcoder has true multi-threaded support and will take advantage of all 16 threads. So while this CPU might not be clocked as fast as what most of you are used to, the sheer amount of cores/threads will more than make up for it."

Unless something has changed, seems like a 5700G is up to the task. The 11600K would be capable even without the iGPU, according to that guide.

Oh, it’s not that it can’t do it, especially for one session at a time. You’ve got to realize that saying it will be a “Plex server” means the same thing as if you said “you can play BF2042 on it”. Well yeah, except some people only play at 4K ultimate crazy town settings and a minimum 60 fps.

If your “into” the Plex scene the first question is “can it hardware transcode” followed by “how many streams” and that’s how you add inches to your Plex peen. There is still the issue of start up and the initial buffer, and hardware blocks dedicated to the purpose win.

I know folks who host Plex servers with many tens of TB of storage and many connected remote clients (maybe also in the tens) and for those applications you’ve got to have a Quadro. It (what ever p series that everyone agreed was the best in terms of power consumption and abilities, it had a weird 5GB frame buffer iirc) used to pop up in Slickdeals just for that reason, but then you already know what happened to GPUs, even middling P series Quadros ;)

I’ve had poor performance experiences with older CPUs and even though my personal server is an 8600K with a hefty all core clock (which should give it some non trivial abilities) I’ve got the 1650 Super in there, and even if I didn’t I’d still enable it via the QuickSync hardware on the CPU, even though I think that restricts my codex options. I wasn’t going to pay for Plex Premium and then not be able to check the box! ;)

The Intel 11600K CPU has vastly superior encode and decode abilities compared to the 5700G and might even make the Quadros obsolete in that vein, even if both of them can handle it via brute force.

OP didn’t say he was hosting a Plex server for all his friends and relatives for all the pirates netflix content he torrents, but maybe that’s a normal workload for him 😂

I don’t have a link to a benchmark of Plex transcoding, but that build you linked to doesn’t either. Without dedicated hardware I had older quad core CPUs tap out midstream when they couldn’t squash a UHD file into something my playback device (usually xbox, which iirc always requires transcoding) could handle.

Moving to Roku with better direct play and Android on the Sony TV which has some of the best native playback abilities of them all also mitigated all this.
 

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Might be just me, but I disabled transcoding on my server long ago...
It was a thing when HEVC was "new".
 

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I thought we were just commenting to comment.

The choices are so similar that you might as well ask if you should serve Pepsi or Coke with a meal.

And everyone knows the correct answer is Diet Coke. Unless it’s diet cherry pepsi, then it’s Pepsi!
 
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11600K is only 5% faster on average than 5600G so the OP can save money by going with 5600G.

11600k is $220 (or was) right now and the 5600G is $239....damn prices are jumping around like crazy plus BF discounts.

No Plex Server but I do like quicksync for transcoding.

Power consumption is not a big factor but heat definitely is...need to run the A/C more in summer.

I've been trying to solve this by really looking at better motherboards for AMD. The unify is GREAT but the price is not great.

The 11400 is cheaper but really hard to get...seems to be out of stock.

Intel seems great but LGA1200 is EOL....AM4 still has some life.

This thread has been great....so many angles covered. Some things I had not thought about were brought up. Thanks for the input...it is better then I expected.

 

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Are you using Firefox? That's the reason your CPU utilization is high even with iGPU being partially utilized. Turing and Vega doesn't have av1 decoding, so you're most likely being served vp9 videos. That's why I asked, what does stats for nerds say?
Using Firefox that video is AV1 and even the 5K version uses less than 20% of CPU on my system. When using Edge (obviously applies to Chrome too) there's constant frame drops even with hardware acceleration. Actually, hardware video decoding at least on YouTube seems to be really poor in Chromium browser with NVIDIA hardware... Constant frame dropping, stutter and freezes (even low resolution content). It's just riddled with bugs and sometimes causes even NVIDIA driver to crash. CPU usage is low and video decoder has still headroom.

Firefox unfortunately doesn't support hardware AV1 decoding yet.
 

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Using Firefox that video is AV1 and even the 5K version uses less than 20% of CPU on my system. When using Edge (obviously applies to Chrome too) there's constant frame drops even with hardware acceleration. Actually, hardware video decoding at least on YouTube seems to be really poor in Chromium browser with NVIDIA hardware... Constant frame dropping, stutter and freezes (even low resolution content). It's just riddled with bugs and sometimes causes even NVIDIA driver to crash. CPU usage is low and video decoder has still headroom.

Firefox unfortunately doesn't support hardware AV1 decoding yet.
I've had the opposite experience - chromium based browsers have been much better than firefox when it comes to utilizing the hardware decoder.
 

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I've had the opposite experience - chromium based browsers have been much better than firefox when it comes to utilizing the hardware decoder.
The opposite experience would be droppped frames on Firefox. As @Tup3x said, once this thread got started I also took a look at AV1 software-based decoding on FF and Chrome on my system, and while Chrome resource usage is indeed lower, it will occasionally drop frames.
 

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The opposite experience would be droppped frames on Firefox. As @Tup3x said, once this thread got started I also took a look at AV1 software-based decoding on FF and Chrome on my system, and while Chrome resource usage is indeed lower, it will occasionally drop frames.
Yes, Firefox does indeed use more resources when forcing av1 to use the CPU even though dropped frames is low; what's strange though is that it also drops tons of frames while playing back vp9, at least on my system.

With AV1:

Firefox_av1.png

With VP9:

Firefox_vp9.png

With Edge however I can play two concurrent 4k av1 streams without any performance issues.
 
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