Amazon To Not Build 2nd HQ in New York

[bshole]

Agreed. They ruined Seattle. Assuming a Warren or Sanders gets the Presidency, I am looking forward to what happens once big tech is brought to heel.

That is a fantasy. Big tech will bring Washington to heel with truckloads of PAC money. That is how we do in America today.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Amazon could have gotten LIC done, just not the way they went about it. They thought they could barge in heedless of any political obstacles due to their clout which they've long enjoyed in Seattle. Wrong.

The same thing would have happened if they did this in other places like Boston, SF, or LA.

I am so proud of Boston not feeding the insanity. Governor said we have the people and the skills you want. We will help with road improvement and public transit. Nothing else.
As I said earlier I can’t figure out why non shit hole states pander to this crap. Non shit hole States have the people with the skills to do the jobs, we are the benefit not amazon for bringing some extra decent jobs who is being sort of vague about what those jobs will be, how much they’ll pay and how long they’ll stay Amazon can go to a shit hole State if low taxes is the #1 priority.

 

[Vic]

HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

Lol. You're foolish to believe anyone actually falls for your damned if she does damned if she doesn't BS.

 

[Vic]

I am assuming the 10s of thousands of jobs aren’t based solely on amazon hires.
Amazon has hired 1500 and appears to b hiring 1500 more in the same area of N.Y. appears the majority of HQ2 jobs have been filled with zero impact to tax payers

I already posted earlier in this thread how FB filled those jobs, leasing out 1.5MM sf of office space in Hudson Yards, and without taxpayer subsidies.

 

[theeedude]

HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

She was right, you were wrong, it's as simple as that.

 

[Vic]

I think reality is a little bit more nuanced than the above stereotype.

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What I have noticed is a dissatisfaction expressed by many posters on youtube with the popular culture. There is a perception that feminists are infiltrating and destroying their hobbies/movie franchises/games. These youtubers are of all races and are not all that politically engaged. They don't talk about Trump, they don't talk about immigration, they don't talk about tax policy, etc.... The only thing they talk about is how woke leftists are destroying their hobbies/franchises/culture. In accumulated views, we are talking about BILLIONS. These channels are reaching far far more people than the political channels. This is where the culture war is currently being fought.

Here is a sample (1 black, 1 asian, 1 native american, 1 irish).

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YongYea

Game News, Reviews, & Cinemas

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Whatup!?? I'm Eric, the frontman of BackWordz and political commentator. You'll find a little bit of everything on this channel, depending on what brought yo...

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There are HUNDREDS of these channels. This is a massive display of dissatisfaction with the popular culture. Another expression of it is the great gulf on Rotten Tomatoes between user scores and critic scores for movies/TV shows.

Many whites (myself included), believe that American culture has been drastically weakened in the past 50 years. There no longer exists a majority cultural narrative. That has generally been a necessary element to proceed civilizational collapse. Diversity is not a strength as evidenced by the perception difference in America about Trump and the perception difference in the benefit of a nonwhite America. It is hard to imagine a unified America ever again.

Looking to the Future, Public Sees an America in Decline on Many Fronts

When Americans peer 30 years into the future, they see a country in decline economically, politically and on the world stage.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

The end result of this cultural weakness is that American elites sell out our secular Democratic values and actively shill for a Chinese government that is ethnically cleansing a minority population, attempting to erase Democracy in one of the freest countries in the world (Hong Kong) and enacting the most repressive method of population control in human history (via social media). China has a united culture that grows stronger every year. They do not apologize for their values and instead enforce their values on Western trading partners. People criticize Trump for engaging in a trade war with them and I do not understand why. The more we trade with China, the stronger they become and the weaker we become. Our cultural makers (Disney, etc....) are now adjusting their content to meet the requirements of Chinese censors.

Dying empires are seldom aware that they are dying and they seldom recognize the empire that is replacing them. This time it is different and it is blatantly obvious. Given the wealth of data available, it is hard to imagine a world 30 years from now that is not a Chinese hegemony. The West is divided, the West is increasingly not driving innovation and the culture of the West increasingly not a thing (instead we have a zombie approximation of Western culture).

Innovation is moving to the east: Asia now covers half of Top 100 Global Innovators

Almost half of the 100 most innovative companies on earth comes from Asia. Japan is the top country with 39 entries; Korea, Taiwan and China each have 3.

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As a white male myself, I have to say that this is quite the load of fearmongering racist paranoid bullshit.
First, China is not as united as you present (although its govt may want us to believe so).
And second, no, we will not be allowing white male discontents to dictate a single culture for America any more than we will be allowing 'woke' feminists to do so. Get over yourself.

 

[K1052]

I already posted earlier in this thread how FB filled those jobs, leasing out 1.5MM sf of office space in Hudson Yards, and without taxpayer subsidies.

Also this is very likely to be the first of several chunks of space that Amazon leases on the west side. Even if they did Queens it's not like 25K people would show up for work the next day. The presence would build over many years. 1500 people is a more than reasonable addition to their already nearly 4k office workforce in Manhattan.

 

[theeedude]

It's more than they are hiring in the HQ "winner" Virginia.

 

[cytg111]

Today on Fox : AOC blasted... for being AOC and saying things.

 

[theeedude]

She was right and corporate whores were wrong. Now they are bitter and passive aggressive about it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

She was right, you were wrong, it's as simple as that.

She was right and corporate whores were wrong. Now they are bitter and passive aggressive about it.

Not at all. Curious why you are so desperate to convince otherwise

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lol. You're foolish to believe anyone actually falls for your damned if she does damned if she doesn't BS.

cheesy fell for your BS, so you’ve got that going for you

 

[Vic]

cheesy fell for your BS, so you’ve got that going for you

What is my BS?

We know what your BS is, which is to keep doubling down when you're wrong even long after it becomes painfully obvious.
Yaknow, like arguing for page after page that feeding halal meals to Muslim school children is going to take away jobs from non-Muslim food suppliers, even when that halal food supplier is freaking Tyson. Or like here, where you're arguing that corporate subsidies to attract jobs are bad, but AOC was wrong to oppose tax breaks in NYC to Amazon (she didn't actually make that decision), even though Amazon (and FB and others) are still building large presences in NYC, and NYC still gets the jobs without having to give up the subsidies.
Doublespeak and moving the goalposts might convince your feels that you're always right, but the rest of us aren't so easily swayed.

 

[cytg111]

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

But AOC

 

[theeedude]

Not at all. Curious why you are so desperate to convince otherwise

Just look at Fox News/Business. They are still super salty and bitter about it. Don't be like them. Put on your big boy pants, admit that AOC was right and move on.

 

[Vic]

Just look at Fox News/Business. They are still super salty and bitter about it. Don't be like them. Put on your big boy pants, admit that AOC was right and move on.

The real source of all that is they're butthurt that NYC doesn't have to give out massive tax breaks and socialist subsidies to attract corporations and jobs. Unlike Trump-voting areas that do.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Just look at Fox News/Business. They are still super salty and bitter about it. Don't be like them. Put on your big boy pants, admit that AOC was right and move on.

You seem very vested in this. I don’t think she’s reading.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But AOC

AOC is on topic, unlike you

 

[theeedude]

You seem very vested in this. I don’t think she’s reading.

OK, you can stay bitter about it. Normal people are happy when cities eventually stand up to handout seeking corporations and win, which is what happened here because of people like AOC. Maybe where you live is a shithole and can only attract businesses with tax handouts and turning a blind eye to pollution. But you can at least aspire for your city to eventually have the human capital to attract good jobs without those gimmicks.

 

[Vic]

AOC is on topic, unlike you

Lol.. that went right over your head, didn't it?

His point was that your doublespeaking argument is built around your AOC derangement. Just read again what you wrote that he quoted.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

Translation: "I was against corporate subsidies until AOC was against them."

Anyway, Amazon wasn't chased away from NYC (they're still opening up offices there), and even if they had been chased away, AOC didn't do the chasing (she's in Congress, not on the New York City Council).

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lol.. that went right over your head, didn't it?

His point was that your doublespeaking argument is built around your AOC derangement. Just read again what you wrote that he quoted.



Translation: "I was against corporate subsidies until AOC was against them."

Anyway, Amazon wasn't chased away from NYC (they're still opening up offices there), and even if they had been chased away, AOC didn't do the chasing (she's in Congress, not on the New York City Council).

Follow the bouncing ball. When Amazon pulled HQ2 away from NYC, the FoxNews contingent used it to throw shade at AOC, as they do for everything involving her. Her supporters of course at the time argued that she had little to do with it.

Amazon hires people in NYC, AOC tweets about it, and the narratives magically flip.

 

[Starbuck1975]

OK, you can stay bitter about it. Normal people are happy when cities eventually stand up to handout seeking corporations and win, which is what happened here because of people like AOC. Maybe where you live is a shithole and can only attract businesses with tax handouts and turning a blind eye to pollution. But you can at least aspire for your city to eventually have the human capital to attract good jobs without those gimmicks.

I am very happy that a few cities stood up to Amazon. You guys need to make up your minds if AOC was central to it or not.

 

[ElFenix]

I am very happy that a few cities stood up to Amazon. You guys need to make up your minds if AOC was central to it or not.

you know that she can be right about the city and state not handing money to billionaires and being a part of that not happening while also not being central to that not happening, don't you?

she was certainly central to the media firestorm around it, due to all her nut hangers over at fox who need to oppose her every tweet.

 

[Vic]

Follow the bouncing ball. When Amazon pulled HQ2 away from NYC, the FoxNews contingent used it to throw shade at AOC, as they do for everything involving her. Her supporters of course at the time argued that she had little to do with it.

Amazon hires people in NYC, AOC tweets about it, and the narratives magically flip.

And the goalposts get moved again!

It was Fox and the rest of the right wingers who have always been the ones claiming AOC was 'central' to the issue. No AOC supporters in this thread have made that claim, that she was 'central' to the issue, then or now. There has been no magically flipping except through the lenses of your AOC derangement.

AOC only matters to this issue so that Fox news and its viewers can have a convenient scapegoat for being completely wrong about literally this entire narrative. And they're also upset because they support corporate tax breaks and subsidies, and can't accept that liberal NYC was able to stand up to the corporate elites and win.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I am very happy that a few cities stood up to Amazon. You guys need to make up your minds if AOC was central to it or not.

The only folks that ever claimed that she was a central figure in this are folks like the OP and yourself.