Amazon To Not Build 2nd HQ in New York

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theeedude

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AOC was right. Even Murdoch's rag is starting to get it now:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-real-estate-savors-a-tech-boom-11562760760?mod=rsswn
Who Needs Amazon HQ2? Not New York Real Estate’s Tech Boom
Big technology companies are doubling down on New York City by adding millions of square feet in office space and creating thousands of new jobs, with few aftereffects from Amazon.com Inc. ’s nixing of a Queens headquarters.
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New York is emerging as an East Coast hub for technology because of the size of its labor force, its extensive transportation infrastructure and the cultural and entertainment activities that come with a big city, analysts and real-estate executives said.

“New York has lured the talent, and now the employers need to set up shop to lure that talent,” said Kevin Egan, an executive at Oxford Properties Group, which is one of Google’s Manhattan landlords. “These tenants want to be here and need to be here.”
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Tech companies have had a presence in New York City, but now they look eager to go bigger. Since 2015, Uber has more than doubled its office space in New York City to about 160,000 square feet, while Amazon has boosted its office space almost three times to about 800,000 square feet, according to CoStar Group Inc. Facebook’s office space is now at least three times as large as it was five years ago.
Spend billions on building a city services and infrastructure, to attract top tech talent, not corporate subsidies. Corporations will chase top tech talent to the moon without any subsidies.
 
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UNCjigga

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I remember reading something a few weeks back that Amazon is still adding jobs and grabbing office space in NYC...just not an "HQ" and without much fanfare. Even Bezos gets it.
 
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K1052

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Amazon has to shop for leasable space like any other office tenant. Welcome to NY, Jeff.
 

hal2kilo

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Cites really should be required to approve a certain amount of housing units per square feet of office development they give the nod to. Want to approve 1M square feet of office space then at the same time you're got to do entitlements for 10K housing units.
Seattle is making some baby steps in that direction.
 

K1052

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Seattle is making some baby steps in that direction.

Seattle is making leaps compared to most of the US. The new ADU law that eliminates off street parking requirement AND caps the allowable floor area ratio of single family homes is very aggressive by American standards, in a good way. Also all the bulk up zoning that's been going on and still to come.
 

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Something interesting: a few months before starting this thread calling NYC stupid for NOT giving Amazon tax subsidies, the OP started a thread condemning NYC for considering tax subsidies to Amazon.

Meanwhile, NYC just finished leasing out Hudson Yards with a 1.5 million sq ft deal with Facebook, sans subsidies.

 

sandorski

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Something interesting: a few months before starting this thread calling NYC stupid for NOT giving Amazon tax subsidies, the OP started a thread condemning NYC for considering tax subsidies to Amazon.

Meanwhile, NYC just finished leasing out Hudson Yards with a 1.5 million sq ft deal with Facebook, sans subsidies.


Coincidences!
 
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Something interesting: a few months before starting this thread calling NYC stupid for NOT giving Amazon tax subsidies, the OP started a thread condemning NYC for considering tax subsidies to Amazon.

Meanwhile, NYC just finished leasing out Hudson Yards with a 1.5 million sq ft deal with Facebook, sans subsidies.


Come on we know the answer.

AOC that is all that needs to be said.
If she managed to figure out a way to eliminate federal debt, cut taxes to nearly zero, cure cancer & aids.
OP would say why did it take her so long.
 

Vic

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Come on we know the answer.

AOC that is all that needs to be said.
If she managed to figure out a way to eliminate federal debt, cut taxes to nearly zero, cure cancer & aids.
OP would say why did it take her so long.
You just know he 'watches' that Breakfast Club video every day..
 

Bitek

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Google also occupies much of the old MTA building, a building with an enormous footprint that spans all the way from 8th to 9th Ave, and provides free gourmet lunches, snacks and coffee to it's employees.

Tech is doing fine all by themselves.
 
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Something interesting: a few months before starting this thread calling NYC stupid for NOT giving Amazon tax subsidies, the OP started a thread condemning NYC for considering tax subsidies to Amazon.

Meanwhile, NYC just finished leasing out Hudson Yards with a 1.5 million sq ft deal with Facebook, sans subsidies.


Wow, its honestly even worse than I thought. Its sad how gaslit these people have been by modern right wing ideology, they're outright oblivious to their own behavior too.
 
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ch33zw1z

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So, just saw this in the ole news feed

TheHill: Ocasio-Cortez: 'Won't you look at that: Amazon is coming to NYC anyway'.
 

Starbuck1975

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HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.
 

UNCjigga

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HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

So now we’re back to the lie that she single handedly chased them away?
 
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HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

Amazon could have gotten LIC done, just not the way they went about it. They thought they could barge in heedless of any political obstacles due to their clout which they've long enjoyed in Seattle. Wrong.

The same thing would have happened if they did this in other places like Boston, SF, or LA.
 
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The sexual frustration is obvious among many on the right. I figure it's about 50/50 incel and repressed homosexuality.

I think reality is a little bit more nuanced than the above stereotype.
Niclas Berggren, Henrik Jordahl, and Panu Poutvaara present evidence from three studies in the Journal of Public Economics that right leaning politicians in Australia, Europe, and the US “look more beautiful.” Partly because of that, they get more votes, particularly in low-level elections where other information is scarce.

Rolfe Peterson and Carl Palmer present evidence from two studies in the journal Politics and the Life Sciences that “more attractive individuals” are more likely to consider themselves to be conservative and Republican.
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Not surprisingly, the economists offer an economic explanation. They “rightly” note (should I claim this pun?) that a lot of research shows that physically attractive people earn more money. And because they earn more money, they are more likely to oppose policies calling for the redistribution of economic resources, like taxes. A classic conservative policy position.

What I have noticed is a dissatisfaction expressed by many posters on youtube with the popular culture. There is a perception that feminists are infiltrating and destroying their hobbies/movie franchises/games. These youtubers are of all races and are not all that politically engaged. They don't talk about Trump, they don't talk about immigration, they don't talk about tax policy, etc.... The only thing they talk about is how woke leftists are destroying their hobbies/franchises/culture. In accumulated views, we are talking about BILLIONS. These channels are reaching far far more people than the political channels. This is where the culture war is currently being fought.

Here is a sample (1 black, 1 asian, 1 native american, 1 irish).
There are HUNDREDS of these channels. This is a massive display of dissatisfaction with the popular culture. Another expression of it is the great gulf on Rotten Tomatoes between user scores and critic scores for movies/TV shows.

Many whites (myself included), believe that American culture has been drastically weakened in the past 50 years. There no longer exists a majority cultural narrative. That has generally been a necessary element to proceed civilizational collapse. Diversity is not a strength as evidenced by the perception difference in America about Trump and the perception difference in the benefit of a nonwhite America. It is hard to imagine a unified America ever again.
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The end result of this cultural weakness is that American elites sell out our secular Democratic values and actively shill for a Chinese government that is ethnically cleansing a minority population, attempting to erase Democracy in one of the freest countries in the world (Hong Kong) and enacting the most repressive method of population control in human history (via social media). China has a united culture that grows stronger every year. They do not apologize for their values and instead enforce their values on Western trading partners. People criticize Trump for engaging in a trade war with them and I do not understand why. The more we trade with China, the stronger they become and the weaker we become. Our cultural makers (Disney, etc....) are now adjusting their content to meet the requirements of Chinese censors.

Dying empires are seldom aware that they are dying and they seldom recognize the empire that is replacing them. This time it is different and it is blatantly obvious. Given the wealth of data available, it is hard to imagine a world 30 years from now that is not a Chinese hegemony. The West is divided, the West is increasingly not driving innovation and the culture of the West increasingly not a thing (instead we have a zombie approximation of Western culture).
 

Starbuck1975

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Amazon could have gotten LIC done, just not the way they went about it. They thought they could barge in heedless of any political obstacles due to their clout which they've long enjoyed in Seattle. Wrong.

The same thing would have happened if they did this in other places like Boston, SF, or LA.
Agreed. They ruined Seattle. Assuming a Warren or Sanders gets the Presidency, I am looking forward to what happens once big tech is brought to heel.
 
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HQ2 was not about tech jobs. A corporate HQ would have brought tens of thousands of jobs across multiple support functions beyond tech that would have had a direct employment benefit to the people of Queens and the Bronx.

Amazon leasing a satellite office in Brooklyn to tap into an existing tech talent pool. That’s just how competition work, but nowhere near the benefit for working class communities. A tech satellite office just exasperates the already divergent income divide.

Nowhere near the same thing.

Cities across America were foolish to dance for Amazon, but AOC was foolish to chase them away from NYC.

I am assuming the 10s of thousands of jobs aren’t based solely on amazon hires.
Amazon has hired 1500 and appears to b hiring 1500 more in the same area of N.Y. appears the majority of HQ2 jobs have been filled with zero impact to tax payers