Amazon To Not Build 2nd HQ in New York

[sandorski]

You can't have loss of revenue of revenue that doesn't exist you fucking dimwit

Amazon is accepted with STATE tax benefits (Let's say for instance They pay $0 in NY state benefits - I don't know the precise implications): This means they get $0 in STATE benefits from Amazon, which doesn't include potential City benefits from Amazon, federal benefits from Amazon... But on top of that - The employees will be paying Federal, State, and City income taxes- they will be buying meals and shopping new and paying state, and local sales tax - and they will be living near and paying state and local property taxes... Oh and they will be using local transportation taxes on the subways.

But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings detective dipshit.

Do you understand that you can't lose revenue that you never had? Because that is what is happening idiot. Even if you lose on state corporate income taxes - you gain on all of the other taxes.

Loss of Potential Revenue on a Finite Resource is a Loss. Dimwit. That Finite Resource can be used by Others who Pay for the use of that Resource. Dipshit.

 

[alcoholbob]

Sounds like they might want to build more houses in both New York and Silicon Valley then.

Just a thought.

Won't most of Silicon Valley be underwater by the end of century anyway? If anything buying housing there makes you a schmuck.

 

[Blackjack200]

Amazon has 5000 people in New York, and still hiring, 700 open positions here:
https://www.amazon.jobs/en/search?base_query=&loc_query=New+York,+United+States&latitude=&longitude=&loc_group_id=&invalid_location=false&country=USA&city=&region=New+York&county=
It makes no sense to pay them for stuff they are going to do anyway.

I think they're going to end up hiring as many people in NYC as they would have anyway, just without the red-carpet zoning/code exemptions, and the $3 billion public tit money.

Also, can people please stop saying that it's 25,000 $150k jobs? Yes, there would certainly be a bunch of six figure jobs. The vast majority of them would have been comfortably under $100k though.

 

[K1052]

Except... you know.. as mentioned multiple times in this thread......

The people protesting aren't poor brown folks - they are rich white people you fucking retard. It's a perfect illustration of NIMBY - Get off your bias soapbox for half a second.

I know exactly who has done what thanks very much. Amazon was not prepared for the core resistance of wealthy white residents that utilize relatively small groups of minority opposition as cover to choke off or slow development. They thought they were going to roll in and have this whole thing ironed out in a matter of weeks or a few months totally disregarding the likelihood of noisy opposition that could bog them down.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Those are already there.

But you are right about fools and money. Glad we kept 3 billion.

Holy fuck you people are seriously on the level of retardation as AoC. You really are too stupid for this conversation, aren't you?

You never had $3 billion dollars. Comprende? Understand? I can't stress this enough - but here is your warrior-in-chief looking retarded against trolls on Twatter. Amazing that you folks can reach this level of stupid.

 

[Indus]

Holy fuck you people are seriously on the level of retardation as AoC. You really are too stupid for this conversation, aren't you?

You never had $3 billion dollars. Comprende? Understand? I can't stress this enough - but here is your warrior-in-chief looking retarded against trolls on Twatter. Amazing that you folks can reach this level of stupid.

Except it's not AOC - It's the neighborhood who elected her and this new wave of people who are actually standing up for the neighborhood against Amazon and Cuomo.

If this thing happened 2 years ago.. the neighborhood wouldn't have a prayer and Amazon would have their deal.

P.S. I don't know if you know about the IDC - independent democratic council. A bunch of breakaway dem state senators who voted with GOP everytime on everything but just called themselves democrats. People got sick of it and actually voted them out.

 

[Jaskalas]

Fascinating.

Do the people there give AOC credit for preventing this... gentrification? Would it have directly impacted their neighborhoods?

 

[Indus]

Fascinating.

Do the people there give AOC credit for preventing this... gentrification? Would it have directly impacted their neighborhoods?

The people to credit or blame if that's what you want to do are City Council members, State Congressmen/ women, State Senators.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/tech/amazon-nyc-hq2-fail/index.html

AOC is actually just cheering the result and didn't have anything to do with it personally - she's a congresswoman who's in DC. But her ideas of a Green New Deal terrify the millionaire/ billionaire/ control freaks/ obstructionists and bean counters. So they'd rather lash out at her and make her more mainstream in the process.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Holy fuck you people are seriously on the level of retardation as AoC. You really are too stupid for this conversation, aren't you?

You never had $3 billion dollars. Comprende? Understand? I can't stress this enough - but here is your warrior-in-chief looking retarded against trolls on Twatter. Amazing that you folks can reach this level of stupid.

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Uh, she totally pwned that flawed troll logic. You have a seriously flawed notion of subsidies.

Some reading for everyone:

http://www.natemjensen.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Kansas-Working-Paper-7-23-15.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...s-new-yorks-hq2and-thats-a-good-thing/582844/

 

[jpiniero]

Was wondering what really happened, and sure enough it wasn't AOC that did it - the AFL-CIO tried to shake down Amazon and Amazon then decided it wasn't worth it.

That's where top tech talent wants to live, even if it costs them a lot. Maybe red cities and states should look in the mirror and ask why, instead of being salty about it.

Actually I think the NYC HQ was more about all the H1-B workers they must be hiring. The H1-Bs are not going to want to drive, so mass transit was a necessity.

 

[theeedude]

We'll see how many jobs they create in NoVA, how much they pay, and how many people they hire in NY anyways, and how much those jobs pay.

 

[theeedude]

You can't have loss of revenue of revenue that doesn't exist you fucking dimwit

Amazon is accepted with STATE tax benefits (Let's say for instance They pay $0 in NY state benefits - I don't know the precise implications): This means they get $0 in STATE benefits from Amazon, which doesn't include potential City benefits from Amazon, federal benefits from Amazon... But on top of that - The employees will be paying Federal, State, and City income taxes- they will be buying meals and shopping new and paying state, and local sales tax - and they will be living near and paying state and local property taxes... Oh and they will be using local transportation taxes on the subways.

But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings detective dipshit.

Do you understand that you can't lose revenue that you never had? Because that is what is happening idiot. Even if you lose on state corporate income taxes - you gain on all of the other taxes.

They have 700 open positions in NY now, without any subsidies. If you want an Amazon job in NYC, go get one.

 

[jpiniero]

We'll see how many jobs they create in NoVA, how much they pay, and how many people they hire in NY anyways, and how much those jobs pay.

Virginia is about Amazon's defense ambitions... Amazon's going to have to pay well since they will have to have security clearances and all that. But I reckon there's only so much Amazon can get.

 

[Zorba]

Loss of Potential Revenue on a Finite Resource is a Loss. Dimwit. That Finite Resource can be used by Others who Pay for the use of that Resource. Dipshit.

And I am pretty sure this land isn't empty today, so someone is paying taxes on it now.

Also what everyone on the pro side always forgets, they will be using NEW SERVICES that cost MONEY. These are NEW costs that are not going to be offset with new taxes, because they are waiving the taxes.

I work in a shitty part of town, in the last five years my company and our nextdoor neighbor have added 4000 jobs with an average pay of over 100K (in Oklahoma mind you, so like 200K in NYC). The area within 2 miles of the buildings has added a donut shop and a minor emergency room in the time. People always way over state the ruboff job creation at least in the local neighborhood.

 

[blackangst1]

Won't most of Silicon Valley be underwater by the end of century anyway? If anything buying housing there makes you a schmuck.

We're not going to make it to the end of the century. The world is ending in 12 years.

 

[sdifox]

Muahahhaha, what a bizarro world we live in. MAGAer defending Bezos, the owner of Washington Post.

 

[zinfamous]

Democrats are hard to work with today, anything they don't like they obstruct.

I would think you were in a coma from 2008-2016 to make such a transparently asinine comment, but I know that isn't true because you were on here posting eternal fealty to extreme rightwing teahadies, since at least 2006, in some sort of nefarious attempt to go dormant, return ~2017, and start "owning the libs" by telling everyone that you were a true liberal in those days that all of your posts which supported the most extreme rightwing agendas of their time, in each successive era, never were really supporting these extreme anti-liberal agendas.

 

[sdifox]

Won't most of Silicon Valley be underwater by the end of century anyway? If anything buying housing there makes you a schmuck.

Max Zorin would like a word with you.

 

[realibrad]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahb...c-didnt-understand-amazon-dealat-all-n2541634

“Correct,” de Blasio replied. “And that $3 billion that would go back in tax incentives was only after we were getting the jobs and getting the revenue.”

To clarify, Todd said, “There not $3 billion in money…”

“There’s no money—right,” de Blasio said.

Todd played a clip of Ocasio-Cortez’s reaction to the news Amazon was backing out of its deal to build the complex.

“If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to,” Ocasio-Cortez had said. Amazon dropped its plans last week to build a $2.5 billion campus that would’ve provided 25,000 jobs over pressure from activists and some politicians.

In a statement, the company said the lack of support from the community was the reason for its decision."

Wow, that is pretty direct.

 

[Indus]

We're not going to make it to the end of the century. The world is ending in 12 years.

If we don't do anything.

But there's plenty of people doing something to mitigate it.

I personally donate to Eden Reforestation Projects

 

[sandorski]

If we don't do anything.

But there's plenty of people doing something to mitigate it.

...and the World doesn't end in 12 years. What happens is that the damage from Global Warming/Climate Change becomes permanent/irreversible.

 

[Indus]

...and the World doesn't end in 12 years. What happens is that the damage from Global Warming/Climate Change becomes permanent/irreversible.

That is true. For example the oxygen in our atmosphere is slightly decreasing over time. This affects us all.

 

[ivwshane]

There are already studies being done with links to increase in Temps and an increase in kidney disease.

 

[UNCjigga]

So I’m hearing offhand that if Amazon had promised to divert a small portion of the tax incentives to infrastructure projects instead (specifically subway/public transit improvements) they would’ve received a very different reception from LIC/Queens. Is that true?

 

[realibrad]

So I’m hearing offhand that if Amazon had promised to divert a small portion of the tax incentives to infrastructure projects instead (specifically subway/public transit improvements) they would’ve received a very different reception from LIC/Queens. Is that true?

Blasio said that they would only get the tax break after they got the jobs and revenue.