Am I the only one appalled by how classless people are?

[AstroManLuca]

I hear what you're saying but I think I can make an exception in the case of Bin Laden. Not that I feel the need to throw a party or something, but I'm happy he's dead. The world is a better place without him.

 

[corwin]

Equally classless. They had something to celebrate though...the end of the war.

You need a history lesson...Hitler died 4/30/1945...WWII ended officially 12/31/1946, or you could count the Japanese surrender on 8/15/1945...either way they were celebrating his death and his death alone, it was a good day then as this is now

 

[AstroManLuca]

You need a history lesson...Hitler died 4/30/1945...WWII ended officially 12/31/1946, or you could count the Japanese surrender on 8/15/1945...either way they were celebrating his death and his death alone, it was a good day then as this is now

12/31/1946? Where'd you get that date? Germany surrendered on May 8th, 1945.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_2714

Okay, so Truman didn't sign that until 12/31/46, but the war in Europe was over since May of 1945. Signing a minor document is not as historically important as the actual end of the war.

If you really want to split hairs, you could claim that WWII didn't end until October 19, 1951.

 

[Lean L]

I hear what you're saying but I think I can make an exception in the case of Bin Laden. Not that I feel the need to throw a party or something, but I'm happy he's dead. The world is a better place without him.

There we go. Be happy that he is unable to terrorize now. That's all I'm saying, no partying due to the fact that he is dead.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You need a history lesson...Hitler died 4/30/1945...WWII ended officially 12/31/1946, or you could count the Japanese surrender on 8/15/1945...either way they were celebrating his death and his death alone, it was a good day then as this is now

Victory in Europe Day (V-E Day or VE Day) commemorates May 8, 1945 (in commonwealth countries; May 7,1945), the date when the World War II Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the armed forces of Nazi Germany and the end of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. The formal surrender of the occupying German forces in the Channel Islands was not until May 9, 1945. On 30 April Hitler committed suicide during the Battle of Berlin, and so the surrender of Germany was authorized by his replacement, President of Germany Karl Dönitz. The administration headed by Dönitz was known as the Flensburg government. The act of military surrender was signed on 7 May in Reims, France, and ratified on 8 May in Berlin, Germany.

I think you're the one who needs a history lesson...

 

[corwin]

Victory in Europe Day (V-E Day or VE Day) commemorates May 8, 1945 (in commonwealth countries; May 7,1945), the date when the World War II Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the armed forces of Nazi Germany and the end of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. The formal surrender of the occupying German forces in the Channel Islands was not until May 9, 1945. On 30 April Hitler committed suicide during the Battle of Berlin, and so the surrender of Germany was authorized by his replacement, President of Germany Karl Dönitz. The administration headed by Dönitz was known as the Flensburg government. The act of military surrender was signed on 7 May in Reims, France, and ratified on 8 May in Berlin, Germany.

I think you're the one who needs a history lesson...

That was Germany's surrender, not the end of the war...Do you really not want to consider Japan part of the war?

 

[AstroManLuca]

That was Germany's surrender, not the end of the war...Do you really not want to consider Japan part of the war?

You got the date right for the Japanese surrender, he was responding to your assertion that the war in Europe didn't end until December 31, 1946, which obviously isn't true unless you want to go on a technicality.

The war in Europe ended in May 1945, and in Japan it ended in August 1945. That was it for WWII, there was no more fighting after Japan surrendered. So I don't see why the December 1946 is at all important.

Unless you want to give an example of continued fighting in Europe after May 8th, 1945...

 

[corwin]

You got the date right for the Japanese surrender, he was responding to your assertion that the war in Europe didn't end until December 31, 1946, which obviously isn't true unless you want to go on a technicality.

The war in Europe ended in May 1945, and in Japan it ended in August 1945. That was it for WWII, there was no more fighting after Japan surrendered. So I don't see why the December 1946 is at all important.

Unless you want to give an example of continued fighting in Europe after May 8th, 1945...

I was simply asserting that Hitler's death wasn't the end of the war, just the fighting in Europe...whether you consider the end the Japanese surrender or the official declaration, they both are after Hitler offed himself...just sayin' his death was no more the end of WWII than Osama's is the end of the war on terror, still something to be happy about

 

[JulesMaximus]

That was Germany's surrender, not the end of the war...Do you really not want to consider Japan part of the war?

VE Day was only 7 days after the death of Hitler, so the people in those photos were celebrating the end of the war in Europe not just the death of Hitler...which was the point I was making earlier.

Are you going to try to tell me that they weren't celebrating the allied victory in Europe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VE_DAY_Piccadily_1945.jpg

Piccadilly Square pictured as supporters celebrate VE Day, May 08, 1945. Photo taken by Sgt. James A. Spence, during his service in World War II.

 

[zinfamous]

Rashard Mendenhall apparently agrees with you...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

::facepalm

lol. what a fool.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Rashard Mendenhall apparently agrees with you...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

::facepalm

Meh, he's entitled to his opinion. Some of his comments are kind of crazy but what do you expect from a football player?

 

[mugs]

This has nothing to do with what he did. It has to do with how people respond to the death of another person.

How can it have nothing to do with what he did? What he did in his life is why people celebrate his death.

I watched this unfolding on CNN with my 8 year old in the room and I did not cheer or laugh. I was genuinely appalled at what I saw, people cheering the fact that our government killed someone. I'm glad he's dead, but I'm not cheering about it. I'm also glad that our military gave him a swift burial at sea according to his beliefs.

What is cheering other than an exuberant expression of gladness? You're saying you had the same emotions as them, but you did not express it. Why should people not express their emotions out of respect for a man who devoted his life to evil?

 

[Snock514]

I am incredibly offended by that µSD card.

I came here to say that D:

 

[corwin]

VE Day was only 7 days after the death of Hitler, so the people in those photos were celebrating the end of the war in Europe not just the death of Hitler...which was the point I was making earlier.

Are you going to try to tell me that they weren't celebrating the allied victory in Europe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VE_DAY_Piccadily_1945.jpg


Piccadilly Square pictured as supporters celebrate VE Day, May 08, 1945. Photo taken by Sgt. James A. Spence, during his service in World War II.

Victory in Europe yes, end of war no, they were still fighting in the pacific as were we...they were celebrating a victory much the same as we are celebrating a victory now (only this time they won't be surrendering after we killed Osama), but neither can be said to be the end of the war.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Anything to make a buck - its the American way.

Whether it was enron raping the public with high energy cost, banks jacking up mortgage rates, of osama pinatas, I do not have an issue with it

Oh, please, like this is something that America started. Humans have done shit like this since as long as we've been able to understand how to do anything.

Look at you, name dropping Enron, oh damn, that's some intelligent thought there.

I think it is classless as well. Very poor taste to celebrate someone else's death...regardless of what evil they did in life.

I'm not the least bit sad he's dead but I'm not celebrating it like some toothless moron either.

Another lesson in hypocrisy from JulesMaximus.

I'm happy he's gone, not because his death makes me happy but for the fact that he can't cause any trouble now that he is dead.

There is a good MLK quote.

“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy.”

I might be mistaken, but that quote, or rather who its given credit to, is fake.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Victory in Europe Day (V-E Day or VE Day) commemorates May 8, 1945 (in commonwealth countries; May 7,1945), the date when the World War II Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the armed forces of Nazi Germany and the end of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. The formal surrender of the occupying German forces in the Channel Islands was not until May 9, 1945. On 30 April Hitler committed suicide during the Battle of Berlin, and so the surrender of Germany was authorized by his replacement, President of Germany Karl Dönitz. The administration headed by Dönitz was known as the Flensburg government. The act of military surrender was signed on 7 May in Reims, France, and ratified on 8 May in Berlin, Germany.

I think you're the one who needs a history lesson...

Oh, and look, he strikes again. Jules, you really should quit while you're just this far behind.

 

[JulesMaximus]

How can it have nothing to do with what he did? What he did in his life is why people celebrate his death.



What is cheering other than an exuberant expression of gladness? You're saying you had the same emotions as them, but you did not express it. Why should people not express their emotions out of respect for a man who devoted his life to evil?

I just don't agree with celebrating it. It simply isn't something I would do. I even stated to my wife that it was pretty tasteless thing to do...she wasn't celebrating either.

I would celebrate my son scoring a 100% on a test. I would celebrate my favorite driver winning a Formula One race. I would celebrate my favorite football team scoring a touchdown or winning the Super Bowl. I would celebrate the end of a war. I would not celebrate my country taking a life. Do you go to your local prison and celebrate when they put a murder to death? I don't really see how this is any different.

Like I said, I'm glad he's dead, I am proud of the way the Obama administration and our military handled it. I am not proud of the images I've seen of my fellow citizens celebrating though. You didn't see the President high fiving it on TV or jumping up and down, celebrating...that would be tasteless. That's all I'm saying.

 

[corwin]

I just don't agree with celebrating it. It simply isn't something I would do. I even stated to my wife that it was pretty tasteless thing to do...she wasn't celebrating either.

I would celebrate my son scoring a 100% on a test. I would celebrate my favorite driver winning a Formula One race. I would celebrate my favorite football team scoring a touchdown or winning the Super Bowl. I would celebrate the end of a war. I would not celebrate my country taking a life. Do you go to your local prison and celebrate when they put a murder to death? I don't really see how this is any different.

Like I said, I'm glad he's dead, I am proud of the way the Obama administration and our military handled it. I am not proud of the images I've seen of my fellow citizens celebrating though. You didn't see the President high fiving it on TV or jumping up and down, celebrating...that would be tasteless. That's all I'm saying.

This is a major victory over the only identifiable "enemy" we have in this war, why would we not celebrate? We did good no?

And you can bet there was plenty of celebrating by Obama and many others, but for PC reasons they kept it behind closed doors...

 

[darkswordsman17]

I just don't agree with celebrating it. It simply isn't something I would do. I even stated to my wife that it was pretty tasteless thing to do...she wasn't celebrating either.

I would celebrate my son scoring a 100% on a test. I would celebrate my favorite driver winning a Formula One race. I would celebrate my favorite football team scoring a touchdown or winning the Super Bowl. I would celebrate the end of a war. I would not celebrate my country taking a life. Do you go to your local prison and celebrate when they put a murder to death? I don't really see how this is any different.

Like I said, I'm glad he's dead, I am proud of the way the Obama administration and our military handled it. I am not proud of the images I've seen of my fellow citizens celebrating though. You didn't see the President high fiving it on TV or jumping up and down, celebrating...that would be tasteless. That's all I'm saying.

Which is fine, and I agree with that. However, going around talking about class and calling people "toothless morons" over it, well that just makes you a hypocrite.

You need to understand its about more than just his death, though. For instance, getting him, makes the people lost in Afghanistan not be in vain.

 

[zinfamous]

How can it have nothing to do with what he did? What he did in his life is why people celebrate his death.



What is cheering other than an exuberant expression of gladness? You're saying you had the same emotions as them, but you did not express it. Why should people not express their emotions out of respect for a man who devoted his life to evil?

to be perfectly honest, I am happy, exuberant, swelling with pride that the PoS is dead.

I think the public celebration by the drunken fools is rather classless, but I'm simply not going to judge them for it. I don't feel that it is proper to go out and party because of this.

However, I do believe that I will be smoking a fat pig this weekend in celebration. That is my own personal contribution.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Which is fine, and I agree with that. However, going around talking about class and calling people "toothless morons" over it, well that just makes you a hypocrite.

You need to understand its about more than just his death, though. For instance, getting him, makes the people lost in Afghanistan not be in vain.

Alright...calm down. I'll withdraw the toothless morons comment...I bet most of them do in fact have teeth.

 

[Taejin]

Honestly?

Death should not be celebrated. Be happy that justice has been brought and fagetaboutit.

Yeah, I pretty much agree. I had the same feeling watching the people on TV hooting and hollering about one man's death. I was raised with a sense of old-school dignity.. there are times I can let loose and ignore it if need be, but figuratively or literally dancing around on someone's corpse seems a bit trashy and overblown imo.

Doing a bit of thought experiment and imagining myself to be someone who lost a loved one at 9/11.. I would be glad the shithead is dead, but that triumph would be a small one in comparison to my loved one lost. And not at all a cause for unrestrained celebration =(.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Alright...calm down. I'll withdraw the toothless morons comment...I bet most of them do in fact have teeth.

To be fair, they probably don't. But if I'm going to be a moron, I'm damn sure going to make it classy. Which is why I always keep a monocle and top hat around. Good day sir!

 

[bfdd]

We are Westerners, we don't understand the concept of saving face. Not to mention saving face is stupid. The world has been rid of an extreme douche bag, how can anyone have mixed feelings about this? Really no different than throwing out the trash.

 

[tatteredpotato]

It seems silly not to celebrate the occasion. People who focus on the death are just being narrow minded. We've poured billions of dollars and thousands of man-hours into finding this guy, getting him is obviously something to be happy about.

The death of bin laden is a massive blow to the terrorist community, I for one will celebrate that fact.