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#AltRightMeans ???

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Blue_Max said:
Fun link! The guy ranted through the entire article about how he's been a hippie since the beginning and laced his article throughout with heavy emotions of hatred for anyone politically right of himself. Lots of words like "terror" "lunatics" "wingnuts" "scary" "loony"... not a single paragraph without a heavy insult.
Made plenty of shit up from thin air, too.

...and followed by another great article:
Inside the Misunderstood World of Adult Breastfeeding
From comfort to connection, there are plenty of reasons adults choose to drink their partner's milk
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Not PC enough for your tender sensibilities? needs a trigger warning?

Uhh-wah.
 
jackstar7 said:
Seeing this on the twitters right now and wondering if there are some folks here who can clarify this movement.
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Sounds like another self hating alternative lifestyle group coming out of the closet in the name of Trump😀

In reality many are the people that have woken up from the corporate induced deep sleep called the American Dream as described here,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw

they are angry because they are now realizing that the establishment they were told to believe in has been lying to them as well as using them,
Trump just figured out how to tap into that discontent like only a professional opportunist can,

as opposed to Hillary who is still relying on those still asleep in the establishment "system" to carry her through even though the reality of who she really is explained by this astute gentlemen in this video from 2008.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g
 
Blue_Max said:
As usual, I invite you all to be SPECIFIC as to what I'm "wrong" about, and why.
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You've been inform numerous times in the past of specific errors, which I recall quite distinctively since it was by me. Evidently it makes no difference in your attitude, so it only makes sense people have concluded that facts are a low non ranking priority in your head.
 
From my time on 4chan and other sites where people who would be labeled as Alt-Right post, I would say that the people who self identify as Alt-Right are mostly racists and nationalists. Though there is also a significant number of people labeled as Alt-Right who are not right wing but who are tired of leftist cultural criticism, social justice warriors, and of progressive busy bodies. Both of these groups share ideological enemies (the media, various critics, and sjws) hence is why you see a lot of apoliticals, libertarians and classic liberals allied with the Alt-Right in various flamewars and trolling campaigns.
 
imported_bman said:
From my time on 4chan and other sites where people who would be labeled as Alt-Right post, I would say that the people who self identify as Alt-Right are mostly racists and nationalists. Though there is also a significant number of people labeled as Alt-Right who are not right wing but who are tired of leftist cultural criticism, social justice warriors, and of progressive busy bodies. Both of these groups share ideological enemies (the media, various critics, and sjws) hence is why you see a lot of apoliticals, libertarians and classic liberals allied with the Alt-Right in various flamewars and trolling campaigns.
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Would you say they're naive to the racism of their friends, or indifferent for sake of political expedience?
 
Both. Given how those forums work a lot of legitimate racism is probably misconstrued as irony or vice versa. There is a lot of indifference and discounting of racism, especially from people who believe they have been labeled as racists via generalized polemics and critiques to the point that they are now indifferent.
 
MongGrel said:
He seems to fit right into that group.

Trump’s shock troops: Who are the ‘alt-right’?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37021991
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brycejones said:
Simple question for you -

Race Realists - racists for not?
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While you're not answering my question, I'll take your bait. Had to look up what the hell "Race Realists" even are... according to Metapedia:
Race realism

Race realism is the view that biological (genetic) human races exist as opposed to considering races arbitrary social constructs or other forms of race denialism. Critics tend to dislike the term and prefer similar terms such as racialism (not to be confused with racism).

So do I think race is real or a "social construct"? F*ck you. Race is real and there's nothing wrong or offensive about that. It can be scientifically measured in several ways and observed easily by the human eye.

There are also only two genders. F*ck your made-up "gender is a social construct" bullshit.
 
imported_bman said:
Both. Given how those forums work a lot of legitimate racism is probably misconstrued as irony or vice versa. There is a lot of indifference and discounting of racism, especially from people who believe they have been labeled as racists via generalized polemics and critiques to the point that they are now indifferent.
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I guess to be fair, some of those places started as parody before folks who didn't get it took over.

Blue_Max said:
While you're not answering my question, I'll take your bait. Had to look up what the hell "Race Realists" even are... according to Metapedia:
Race realism

Race realism is the view that biological (genetic) human races exist as opposed to considering races arbitrary social constructs or other forms of race denialism. Critics tend to dislike the term and prefer similar terms such as racialism (not to be confused with racism).

So do I think race is real or a "social construct"? F*ck you. Race is real and there's nothing wrong or offensive about that. It can be scientifically measured in several ways and observed easily by the human eye.

There are also only two genders. F*ck your made-up "gender is a social construct" bullshit.
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"Metapedia is an electronic encyclopedia which states that it focuses on European culture, art, science, philosophy and politics. It contains far-right, white nationalist, white supremacist, white separatist, antisemitic, and neo-Nazi[2] points of view.[3][4][5] "

LOL.
 
Jhhnn said:
There is no solution to a non-problem. Well, unless the browning of America is seen as an issue. We've had so-called anchor babies for at least 150 years.

Repubs like to have emotional perma issues like this & abortion so that the rubes will vote for trickle down economics, again. And again again.
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The difference is that 150 years ago we didn't have a minimum wage and working the fields 12 hours a day 6 days a week was considered normal. While immigrant children are more likely to rise in social status than their parents, the extended families that anchor babies are able to bring over are not. I hope you don't mind jobs trickling down to people willing to live in conditions currently unacceptable to most Americans. fwiw, I think there are solutions other than border control. Another possibility to solving the excess labor issue is to expand NAFTA-type policies and encourage low-earning Americans to move to Mexico, something I would support. Until either solution or something else is implemented, there are many problems with our immigration policies with those south of the border.
 
agent00f said:
I guess to be fair, some of those places started as parody before folks who didn't get it took over.



"Metapedia is an electronic encyclopedia which states that it focuses on European culture, art, science, philosophy and politics. It contains far-right, white nationalist, white supremacist, white separatist, antisemitic, and neo-Nazi[2] points of view.[3][4][5] "

LOL.
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From Metapedia's main page:

Did you know that...
  • …the extent of Jewish influence has been described as remarkably large in many countries?
  • …the Holocaust is in an increasing number of Western countries proclaimed to be an official "Truth" that is by law forbidden to be discussed and researched freely?
  • …Whites abolished slavery worldwide?
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Total filth.
 
Racism is certainly not a universal bad. Japan's current immigration and citizenship policies are probably more racist anything Trump has proposed afaik, but it works for them just fine.
 
Japan issues immigrant visas based on need for cheap labor, etc. Not really all that different from the US or whereever, just less of the same thing.

I recall you were fond of their overall plan, but there's good reason why they're getting overtaken by everyone else in the first world.
 
Citizenship is far more difficult to attain, however, and there is still a sizable Korean minority in Japan that has lived there for generations with no political representation.

I agree that their nationalism and xenophobia is a significant part of why their economy has been flat for decades (not enough new workers to support the massive aging population), but it's also a significant part of why they have such famously low crime and a positive cultural identity. Everyone is born a racist and only recently (starting roughly around the 1960s-1970s) has there been a significant effort to try and correct that. Admirable to an extent (ensuring every citizen has an equal opportunity in life is a pretty fundamental thing for modern nations to do), but it ignores the fact that ethnically and culturally homogeneous nations cannot internally experience racial strife and all the negative things that brings.
 
Blue_Max said:
While you're not answering my question, I'll take your bait. Had to look up what the hell "Race Realists" even are... according to Metapedia:
Race realism

Race realism is the view that biological (genetic) human races exist as opposed to considering races arbitrary social constructs or other forms of race denialism. Critics tend to dislike the term and prefer similar terms such as racialism (not to be confused with racism).

So do I think race is real or a "social construct"? F*ck you. Race is real and there's nothing wrong or offensive about that. It can be scientifically measured in several ways and observed easily by the human eye.

There are also only two genders. F*ck your made-up "gender is a social construct" bullshit.
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No one ever answers your questions because they always turn into a meaningless circular argument.

You have established a track record for that.
 
Generally monocultures tend to engender a different kind of "racism" than those that select slaves or whatever based on race. So the "they're racist too" argument in that context is pretty weak. Though I suppose to be fair here, japan was one of the first asian nations to modernize in the western colonial style.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
Citizenship is far more difficult to attain, however, and there is still a sizable Korean minority in Japan that has lived there for generations with no political representation.

I agree that their nationalism and xenophobia is a significant part of why their economy has been flat for decades (not enough new workers to support the massive aging population), but it's also a significant part of why they have such famously low crime and a positive cultural identity. Everyone is born a racist and only recently (starting roughly around the 1960s-1970s) has there been a significant effort to try and correct that. Admirable to an extent (ensuring every citizen has an equal opportunity in life is a pretty fundamental thing for modern nations to do), but it ignores the fact that ethnically and culturally homogeneous nations cannot internally experience racial strife and all the negative things that brings.
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Gawd. Toddlers aren't racists. It's learned attitude & behavior, not an innate quality.
 
Japan's practices only 'work' in that they create a bubble that delays (but does not prevent) changes to existing culture. It's like refusing to leave your house to avoid an accident. Yes, you'll be safer, but you also won't accomplish nearly as much as someone who's willing to step outside of their comfort zone. And eventually, you have to leave if you want to survive.
 
agent00f said:
Generally monocultures tend to engender a different kind of "racism" than those that select slaves or whatever based on race. So the "they're racist too" argument in that context is pretty weak. Though I suppose to be fair here, japan was one of the first asian nations to modernize in the western colonial style.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at wrt slaves, since virtually all cultures have practiced slavery at one point or another. My point is that Japan is a modern Westernized nation, and that they have many things going for them in spite of or even due to their racism.

Jhhnn said:
Gawd. Toddlers aren't racists. It's learned attitude & behavior, not an innate quality.
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That's a nice mantra but it isn't true. Toddlers show clear racial preferences towards those resembling their surroundings, in various studies ranging from the dolls they prefer, to how they share with others, and etc. Animals as lowly as insects show racism, such as grasshoppers shunning others when they're of a different color. Things as mild as nose widths drive ethnic identities that fuel genocides such as those seen in Rwanda. If racism was purely a learned falsehood, secluded homogeneous societies would never have issues with coming into contact with new groups. Instead, you find throughout all of history wars fought along bloodlines, ethnic identity, religion, etc. Racism is a basic part of nature and evolutionarily favorable, and what keeps one group or tribe together to propagate their own kind. Now that mankind builds civilizations that transcend entire continents and attempt to secure human rights, it is necessary for us to fight racism to move above our tribal beginnings and imperialistic/genocidal pasts, but it will likely always exist in our biology until we figure out how to change that.

Commodus said:
Japan's practices only 'work' in that they create a bubble that delays (but does not prevent) changes to existing culture. It's like refusing to leave your house to avoid an accident. Yes, you'll be safer, but you also won't accomplish nearly as much as someone who's willing to step outside of their comfort zone. And eventually, you have to leave if you want to survive.
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I don't think that it's exactly one or the other (political ideology is invented and malleable and doesn't have to sacrifice ethnic homogeneity in order to change), but I agree that their current extremes are not viable in the long run. I don't think Trump's plans are viable either.
 
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