#AltRightMeans ???

[agent00f]

It's amusing to see slatestarcodex being used against the alt-righters when Scott fears becoming one himself a few years down the line. He's already teetering close to the edge with his belief in IQ, his disdain for stereotype threat and his screed against feminists a year or so back.

Only if you take a simpleton binary view of the world. For example, I personally don't like a lot of liberal arguments, but have no such fear I'm going to become an american conservative with simpleton binary views. You might think so, but it's not hard to figure out why.

 

[gamervivek]

You got off completely on the wrong foot. He doesn't think he will adopt conservative positions of today but that he'll branded as conservative/alt-right/NRx/nazi/hitler in the future by those of purer faith(SJWs) as they shift the overton window even more left. A prime example being leftist liberals of gamergate being branded as an alt-right bastion for having problematic positions.

Scott belongs to the rationalist community, LessWrong, which already has been accused of having race realists in their midst. He is ripe for a struggle session.

Similarly, you yourself wouldn't 'become an american conservative with simpleton binary views', whatever the hell you mean by that, but you'll be branded as such a few years down the road, depending on how quick you're to adopt the prevailing 'progressive' fads and repent for your previous sins.

It's because the left operates under a 'no friends to right and no enemies to the left' model while those who are termed cuckservatives by the alt-right do the same. Well, that's why they're termed as such in the first place.

You might think so, but it's not hard to figure out why.

No, you are clueless. Which is why I had to explain it all above. I wouldn't have had to do that if you were really familiar with SSC or alt-right besides calling them racist/sexist/whateverist.

 

[jackstar7]

I like how being considerate is considered a weakness by all these tactless shitheads.

Way to flip the script and take being an asshole and turn it into a movement.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gawd. Toddlers aren't racists. It's learned attitude & behavior, not an innate quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHeSlMui-2k

It's amusing to see slatestarcodex being used against the alt-righters when Scott fears becoming one himself a few years down the line. He's already teetering close to the edge with his belief in IQ, his disdain for stereotype threat and his screed against feminists a year or so back.

You got off completely on the wrong foot. He doesn't think he will adopt conservative positions of today but that he'll branded as conservative/alt-right/NRx/nazi/hitler in the future by those of purer faith(SJWs) as they shift the overton window even more left. A prime example being leftist liberals of gamergate being branded as an alt-right bastion for having problematic positions.

Scott belongs to the rationalist community, LessWrong, which already has been accused of having race realists in their midst. He is ripe for a struggle session.

Similarly, you yourself wouldn't 'become an american conservative with simpleton binary views', whatever the hell you mean by that, but you'll be branded as such a few years down the road, depending on how quick you're to adopt the prevailing 'progressive' fads and repent for your previous sins.

It's because the left operates under a 'no friends to right and no enemies to the left' model while those who are termed cuckservatives by the alt-right do the same. Well, that's why they're termed as such in the first place.



No, you are clueless. Which is why I had to explain it all above. I wouldn't have had to do that if you were really familiar with SSC or alt-right besides calling them racist/sexist/whateverist.

First off, reflex behavior in newborns has nothing to do with toddlers being racist.

And just because your guy Scott is afraid of being swept up in gamergate like controversy doesn't mean it will happen.

Great conspiracy theory, however. Simply marvelous.

In case you haven't noticed, the alt-right is shot through with bigoted sentiment & pseudo scientific justifications. Mere fact.

Either we believe in the principle that all men & women are created equal, the principle of democracy & civil rights in general, or we don't. There's no in between. Take your pick, but don't try to say it's really any other way.

 

[agent00f]

You got off completely on the wrong foot. He doesn't think he will adopt conservative positions of today but that he'll branded as conservative/alt-right/NRx/nazi/hitler in the future by those of purer faith(SJWs) as they shift the overton window even more left. A prime example being leftist liberals of gamergate being branded as an alt-right bastion for having problematic positions.

Scott belongs to the rationalist community, LessWrong, which already has been accused of having race realists in their midst. He is ripe for a struggle session.

Not all people of all groups are one thing or another. I know this is hard to grasp for the first time, but it's likely that some people in LessWrong or any other group are racist.

Similarly, you yourself wouldn't 'become an american conservative with simpleton binary views', whatever the hell you mean by that, but you'll be branded as such a few years down the road, depending on how quick you're to adopt the prevailing 'progressive' fads and repent for your previous sins.

It's because the left operates under a 'no friends to right and no enemies to the left' model while those who are termed cuckservatives by the alt-right do the same. Well, that's why they're termed as such in the first place.

"american conservative with simpleton binary views" is an archetype meant to describe people think of all people of all groups are one thing or another. I'm sure there are liberals who think that way, but seems it applies much more readily to a group which by definition believes in relatively simple traditional ideas about social groups.

Seems likely here you were labeled racist at some point, were unable to shake that identification and thus became disgruntled. Whether that label is accurate or not, you've taken to identifying with racists, which is not a great plan and I point this out for your own benefit.

No, you are clueless. Which is why I had to explain it all above. I wouldn't have had to do that if you were really familiar with SSC or alt-right besides calling them racist/sexist/whateverist.

It's pretty easy to figure out where "race realism" & such come from, as mentioned earlier. Since you're not evidently the type to figure things out either, it's a mystery how you believe you're in a position to explain anything.

 

[gamervivek]

First off, reflex behavior in newborns has nothing to do with toddlers being racist.

And just because your guy Scott is afraid of being swept up in gamergate like controversy doesn't mean it will happen.

Great conspiracy theory, however. Simply marvelous.

In case you haven't noticed, the alt-right is shot through with bigoted sentiment & pseudo scientific justifications. Mere fact.

Either we believe in the principle that all men & women are created equal, the principle of democracy & civil rights in general, or we don't. There's no in between. Take your pick, but don't try to say it's really any other way.

The point of the video was that there are racial differences in newborns, much less toddlers, which is something the race realists point out and which is way more relevant to the topic at hand.

It's much more scientific than the pseudo-scientific view of racial equality. Mere fact. If there's anyone bigoted here, then it's the one who continues to believe in racial equality despite evidence to the contrary staring them in the face.

As for your false dichotomy, I'd choose the observable reality of men and women being not created equal.

 

[gamervivek]

Not all people of all groups are one thing or another. I know this is hard to grasp for the first time, but it's likely that some people in LessWrong or any other group are racist.

It isn't hard to grasp it at all but SJWs seem to be immune to that understanding or they do understand it but hold the whole group responsible until they purge the problematic elements in their midst.

That's why Scott is worried.

I know this is hard to grasp for the first time but keep at it and I won't have to reply to you again.

"american conservative with simpleton binary views" is an archetype meant to describe people think of all people of all groups are one thing or another. I'm sure there are liberals who think that way, but seems it applies much more readily to a group which by definition believes in relatively simple traditional ideas about social groups.

I wasn't asking for that caricature of an explanation.

Besides, it'd behoove you to look up stereotype accuracy before your continue with such simpleton thinking.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201210/stereotype-inaccuracy

Seems likely here you were labeled racist at some point, were unable to shake that identification and thus became disgruntled. Whether that label is accurate or not, you've taken to identifying with racists, which is not a great plan and I point this out for your own benefit.

I must reiterate that you're clueless. The label 'racist' for me is like sinner is to an atheist.

It's pretty easy to figure out where "race realism" & such come from, as mentioned earlier. Since you're not evidently the type to figure things out either, it's a mystery how you believe you're in a position to explain anything.

It's indeed pretty easy to figure out where 'race realism' come from. It comes from reality. Reality has a racist and sexist bias.

As for the mystery, that's my line.

 

[agent00f]

It isn't hard to grasp it at all but SJWs seem to be immune to that understanding or they do understand it but hold the whole group responsible until they purge the problematic elements in their midst.

That's why Scott is worried.

I know this is hard to grasp for the first time but keep at it and I won't have to reply to you again.

Appears you admit SJW's are basically your liberal counterparts. The only difference is there seems to be lot more of your lot than actual sjw's.

I wasn't asking for that caricature of an explanation.

Besides, it'd behoove you to look up stereotype accuracy before your continue with such simpleton thinking.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201210/stereotype-inaccuracy

Like many aspects of reality this sort of attribute exists along some kind of spectrum, and its accuracy depends on the application. For example, between someone like you or someone like me analyzing a situation and applying it. In this case the archetype evidently fits you far more than it doesn't, whereas it wouldn't even be wrong if you did.

I must reiterate that you're clueless. The label 'racist' for me is like sinner is to an atheist.

Repeating stupid things they believe is another aspect of that archetype, though the archetype hardly needs further demonstration at this point. Likewise for the accuracy of the racist attribute, which nobody really cares if you believe is important or not.

It's indeed pretty easy to figure out where 'race realism' come from. It comes from reality. Reality has a racist and sexist bias.

As for the mystery, that's my line.

Racism isn't about empirical fact finding, it's about rationalizing bigotry. Pretty much all of those rationalizations of your forebearers have been shown to be wrong or not even wrong, but that won't stop you from continuing their legacy.

 

[dank69]

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It's indeed pretty easy to figure out where 'race realism' come from. It comes from reality. Reality has a racist and sexist bias.

As for the mystery, that's my line.

Some people work to transcend our differences. Others just fixate on them to tear us apart. Which group do you suppose are useful idiots to those in power?

 

[agent00f]

Some people work to transcend our differences. Others just fixate on them to tear us apart. Which group do you suppose are useful idiots to those in power?

It was theorized by gamervivek's predecessors that the races were really different in every way & warned about race mixing etc. Look how that turned out for them. They've continued to be on the wrong side of history in just about every way conceivable, which really says something about their competence since that can't be easy even if someone of average intellect tried.

 

[MajinCry]

...Reality has a racist bias?

 

[gamervivek]

Some people work to transcend our differences. Others just fixate on them to tear us apart. Which group do you suppose are useful idiots to those in power?

Useful idiots, now that's a term that I use way more than seeing it in someone else's writing.

To transcend these differences, you'd have acknowledge that there are differences. Congrats, you're a race realist now and thus racist/nazi/hitler/whatever. Or do you mean that we should just propagate the noble lie of racial equality?

Which group is useful idiots to those in power? Certainly not alt-right or you'd have heard them blaring from each nook and cranny of the cesspit that is mainstream media.

How about this way to tear people apart or rather generate animosity between them. You start with the propaganda of utopia of racial equality and then blame the superior group for keeping that utopia out of reach of the inferior gro?

I'd say this is the pretty ripe field for useful idiots in USA.

The highlighted is straight up racism and not at all welcome here.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[agent00f]

...Reality has a racist bias?

It makes sense that everything racists see has a racist bias. Minority doesn't like them? Must in their genes.

Useful idiots, now that's a term that I use way more than seeing it in someone else's writing.

To transcend these differences, you'd have acknowledge that there are differences. Congrats, you're a race realist now and thus racist/nazi/hitler/whatever. Or do you mean that we should just propagate the noble lie of racial equality?

Which group is useful idiots to those in power? Certainly not alt-right or you'd have heard them blaring from each nook and cranny of the cesspit that is mainstream media.

How about this way to tear people apart or rather generate animosity between them. You start with the propaganda of utopia of racial equality and then blame the superior group for keeping that utopia out of reach of the inferior gro?

I'd say this is the pretty ripe field for useful idiots in USA.

The idiocy part is pretty well established, and given that the alt-right was instrumental in pushing trump over the top in his party, I'd say they're pretty useful to the right people.

None of this is new. The klan has been warning about the same kind of thing for ages, so it's not surprising the new generation would adopt their language and practices. Historically speaking they've only been getting increasingly dumber with time as more educated folks have figuring out where things are headed.

 

[MongGrel]

Useful idiots, now that's a term that I use way more than seeing it in someone else's writing.

To transcend these differences, you'd have acknowledge that there are differences. Congrats, you're a race realist now and thus racist/nazi/hitler/whatever. Or do you mean that we should just propagate the noble lie of racial equality?

Which group is useful idiots to those in power? Certainly not alt-right or you'd have heard them blaring from each nook and cranny of the cesspit that is mainstream media.

How about this way to tear people apart or rather generate animosity between them. You start with the propaganda of utopia of racial equality and then blame the superior group for keeping that utopia out of reach of the inferior gro?

I'd say this is the pretty ripe field for useful idiots in USA.

What rock did you climb out from under, or an alt perhaps.

The alt-right guys have been screaming from every nook and cranny that can atm, now that they have gained a modicrum of recognition.

What is this superior group you speak of ?

 

[gamervivek]

It makes sense that everything racists see has a racist bias. Minority doesn't like them? Must in their genes.

Yeah keep up with this nonsense and I wouldn't bother with you any more.

The idiocy part is pretty well established, and given that the alt-right was instrumental in pushing trump over the top in his party, I'd say they're pretty useful to the right people.

Useful idiots is a specific term that you're not aware of just like you're clueless about the previous stuff I explained to you.

A 2010 BBC radio documentary titled Useful Idiots listed among "useful idiots" of Joseph Stalin several prominent British writers including H. G. Wells and Doris Lessing, the Irish writer George Bernard Shaw, the American journalist Walter Duranty, and the singer Paul Robeson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#English_since_2000

None of this is new. The klan has been warning about the same kind of thing for ages, so it's not surprising the new generation would adopt their language and practices. Historically speaking they've only been getting increasingly dumber with time as more educated folks have figuring out where things are headed.

And that's enough you for the day.

 

[MongGrel]

Yeah keep up with this nonsense and I wouldn't bother with you any more.



Useful idiots is a specific term that you're not aware of just like you're clueless about the previous stuff I explained to you.

A 2010 BBC radio documentary titled Useful Idiots listed among "useful idiots" of Joseph Stalin several prominent British writers including H. G. Wells and Doris Lessing, the Irish writer George Bernard Shaw, the American journalist Walter Duranty, and the singer Paul Robeson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#English_since_2000



And that's enough you for the day.

Oh look, we have someone else who thinks they can explain things to everyone.

No one is worried if you "won't bother" with them I'm pretty sure.

 

[gamervivek]

What rock did you climb out from under, or an alt perhaps.

I came into this forum because these threads now show up on sidebar.

The alt-right guys have been screaming from every nook and cranny that can atm, now that they have gained a modicrum of recognition.

And? It'd be better if you don't reply at all if you can't follow the conversation.

What is this superior group you speak of ?

Whites as compared to blacks.

If you really don't think you are racist, then you need to radically change the way you express yourself.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[MongGrel]

Whites as compared to blacks.

Well, that is about as racist as you can get right there.

 

[brycejones]

Oh look, we have someone else who thinks they can explain things to everyone.

No one is worried if you "won't bother" with them I'm pretty sure.

Maybe there will be A LIST!

 

[gamervivek]

I missed this one,

Appears you admit SJW's are basically your liberal counterparts. The only difference is there seems to be lot more of your lot than actual sjw's.

Nope, there are no such appearances except in your mind.

Like many aspects of reality this sort of attribute exists along some kind of spectrum, and its accuracy depends on the application. For example, between someone like you or someone like me analyzing a situation and applying it. In this case the archetype evidently fits you far more than it doesn't, whereas it wouldn't even be wrong if you did.

Again, your first line is preaching to the choir, the rest of it is your cluelessness speaking again.

Repeating stupid things they believe is another aspect of that archetype, though the archetype hardly needs further demonstration at this point. Likewise for the accuracy of the racist attribute, which nobody really cares if you believe is important or not.

Just stop, you're bordering on nonsensical.

Racism isn't about empirical fact finding, it's about rationalizing bigotry. Pretty much all of those rationalizations of your forebearers have been shown to be wrong or not even wrong, but that won't stop you from continuing their legacy.

Bigotry means not changing your beliefs despite evidence to the contrary and intolerance of other views.

I'd suggest you stop mouthing off platitudes and nonsensical slogans.

 

[gamervivek]

Well, that is about as racist as you can get right there.

And? It'd be better if you follow the conversation rather than giving off such well meaning replies.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd suggest you stop mouthing off platitudes and nonsensical slogans.

I hate ignore lists myself, but I do have a very short one.

I'm kind of just watching how this will be resolved atm.

I'm curious, you've obviously stomped all over current posting guidelines with impunity. I would not post anything near the toilet you are coming from to begin with.

 

[First]

Actively treating people in a more negative, adversarial way based on genetics is awfully shortsighted at best, and of course mostly hate-blinded bile at its worst. If genetics is your basis and criterion for treating people substantially more poorly than your white-skinned bros, ask yourself what other genetic differences require that I treat you poorly. If I find out you're a white guy with a genetic disorder that prevents you from reproducing, should I be able to pass a law stripping you of the right to vote in any election with property tax propositions on the ballot? You should "obviously" have no say in tax laws that have to do with schools/children, since you can't reproduce, correct?

 

[MajinCry]

To transcend these differences, you'd have acknowledge that there are differences.

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You start with the propaganda of utopia of racial equality and then blame the superior group for keeping that utopia out of reach of the inferior gro?

What is this superior group you speak of ?

Whites as compared to blacks.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is textbook racism.

 

[agent00f]

Yeah keep up with this nonsense and I wouldn't bother with you any more.

It's not my goal to illicit repetition of klan talk, but rather to expose it for what it is. A lot of otherwise decent folk don't believe that the klan lives on in modern society, and evidently I'm pretty good at demonstrating otherwise.

Useful idiots is a specific term that you're not aware of just like you're clueless about the previous stuff I explained to you.

A 2010 BBC radio documentary titled Useful Idiots listed among "useful idiots" of Joseph Stalin several prominent British writers including H. G. Wells and Doris Lessing, the Irish writer George Bernard Shaw, the American journalist Walter Duranty, and the singer Paul Robeson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#English_since_2000

And that's enough you for the day.

It's odd you can believe you know something I don't, given everything heretofore has run contrary to this. I've argued how you're not terribly bright and rather useful to trump and/or the klan, etc, while you haven't construct any argument in any case.

I missed this one,

Nope, there are no such appearances except in your mind.

No, it's simply a matter of fact there are far more little bitches whining about sjws than actual sjws, either here or anywhere. Would a simple count of each here change your mind about this?

Again, your first line is preaching to the choir, the rest of it is your cluelessness speaking again.

Just stop, you're bordering on nonsensical.

No, it makes perfect sense you match the american conservative archetype. Not terribly bright but believe they're the smart ones, always whining about modernity and/or blaming liberals or minorities etc for it, etc. These are all useful clues leading to a rather unimpeachable conclusion.

Bigotry means not changing your beliefs despite evidence to the contrary and intolerance of other views.

I'd suggest you stop mouthing off platitudes and nonsensical slogans.

Exactly, there's only ever been a mounting pile of evidence that the klan crowd were always not even wrong. It has much to do with the way they tend to be rather uneducated with good reason.

Also, just a general tip for life, just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it don't make sense. For example, you'll probably never make sense of why so many darky minorities are so much smarter than you, yet it makes perfect sense why that's the case.