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Alleged desecration of the Quran/Koran @ Guantanamo

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BUSHsortaGUY
:roll: The newsweek issue is about the "misreporting". No where did I say other things did not take place - however in the context of the retraction by newsweek - this is yet another example of the "fake but accurate" yammering from your types. It doesn't excuse the "misreporting" by newsweek. They chose to run with an anonymous source -they got burned.

CsG
You can run from me BSg, but that doesn't change the dishonesty of your attack or the truth of what I said: "Newsweek accurately reported the claims of this Pentagon official. He has now changed his story, presumably due to sincere confusion about which report mentioned desecrating the Quran/Koran. Newsweek has shown great integrity in apologizing and setting the record straight. Pity your boys in the White House won't show equal integrity about all of their 'mistakes'."

Sorry, the truth hurts.

Actually newsweek claims the report was from a pentagon official but at this point it is just a bad source. Seems newsweek should be more careful in it's "journalism" - you'd think the MSM had learned from the cBS debacle... but I guess they haven't.

So while you want to whine about Bush -the FACT is that newsweek screwed up.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BUSHsortaGUY
:roll: The newsweek issue is about the "misreporting". No where did I say other things did not take place - however in the context of the retraction by newsweek - this is yet another example of the "fake but accurate" yammering from your types. It doesn't excuse the "misreporting" by newsweek. They chose to run with an anonymous source -they got burned.

CsG
You can run from me BSg, but that doesn't change the dishonesty of your attack or the truth of what I said: "Newsweek accurately reported the claims of this Pentagon official. He has now changed his story, presumably due to sincere confusion about which report mentioned desecrating the Quran/Koran. Newsweek has shown great integrity in apologizing and setting the record straight. Pity your boys in the White House won't show equal integrity about all of their 'mistakes'."

Sorry, the truth hurts.

Actually newsweek claims the report was from a pentagon official but at this point it is just a bad source. Seems newsweek should be more careful in it's "journalism" - you'd think the MSM had learned from the cBS debacle... but I guess they haven't.

So while you want to whine about Bush -the FACT is that newsweek screwed up.

CsG

Exactly. Now I'm just waiting for the obligatory liberal responce that Bush screwed up in Iraq, instead of staying on topic about the false allegations. They hate the fact this report isn't true, and makes them look like fools for defending the story even after newsweek admitted it was wrong.
 
Originally posted by: BUSHsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BUSHsortaGUY
:roll: The newsweek issue is about the "misreporting". No where did I say other things did not take place - however in the context of the retraction by newsweek - this is yet another example of the "fake but accurate" yammering from your types. It doesn't excuse the "misreporting" by newsweek. They chose to run with an anonymous source -they got burned.

CsG
You can run from me BSg, but that doesn't change the dishonesty of your attack or the truth of what I said: "Newsweek accurately reported the claims of this Pentagon official. He has now changed his story, presumably due to sincere confusion about which report mentioned desecrating the Quran/Koran. Newsweek has shown great integrity in apologizing and setting the record straight. Pity your boys in the White House won't show equal integrity about all of their 'mistakes'."

Sorry, the truth hurts.

Actually newsweek claims the report was from a pentagon official but at this point it is just a bad source. Seems newsweek should be more careful in it's "journalism" - you'd think the MSM had learned from the cBS debacle... but I guess they haven't.

So while you want to whine about Bush -the FACT is that newsweek screwed up.

CsG
Gotta agree with you there, BSg. They should have known better than to accept the claims of a Pentagon official, especially in this administration (not that their track record in the past has been that much better). It was probably the "offering unflattering information" bit that confused them.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Exactly. Now I'm just waiting for the obligatory liberal responce that Bush screwed up in Iraq, instead of staying on topic about the false allegations. They hate the fact this report isn't true, and makes them look like fools for defending the story even after newsweek admitted it was wrong.
At this point, saying "Bush screwed up in Iraq" is redundant. It's a basic fact of the universe, much like saying the sun rises in the east.

I am interested, however, in your "so-called" false allegations. That you Bushies keep repeating this as fact shows, at a minimum, that you either did not read or cannot comprehend the many articles explaining what happened. There is no evidence the allegations are false, only that they were not documented in the specific report one Pentagon official thought they were.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
So, you *are* calling the military investigation fake. Interesting.

And Newsweek misreported this one instance because of the Pentagon official's statements. Aren't you going to lambast the Pentagon official or do you feel it's ok for him to misspeak but not for Newsweek to print it? BTW, nice of you to so easily dismiss other documented abuses of the Quran that Newsweek could have printed.


:cookie:
No, I am not. You can twist and distort things however you wish but the FACT is that newsweek "misreported" it yet you sit here pushing it is accurate. It's just like cBS and Bush's ANG report. The document was fake but your types settled on the "fake but accurate" BS.

Meh, believe what you wish...

CsG
I'm referring to the high-level military investigation that previously revealed abuses. Newsweek was not in the wrong to convey the general message that wrongs were done in Gitmo. They were duped by a Pentagon official and you hold them accountable? Shades of the Rather memo all over again.

Shoot the messenger and ignore the content. Typical right-wing m.o.

:roll: The newsweek issue is about the "misreporting". No where did I say other things did not take place - however in the context of the retraction by newsweek - this is yet another example of the "fake but accurate" yammering from your types. It doesn't excuse the "misreporting" by newsweek. They chose to run with an anonymous source -they got burned.

CsG
There was no retraction. What part of "no retraction" do you not understand?

Yes, they got burned in this one case but the content of their article is true in many other cases. *That* is what you are ignoring and it is *that* which you are calling fake, including a high-level military investigation. You just don't know when to stop with your evasion and obfuscations, do you?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
So, you *are* calling the military investigation fake. Interesting.

And Newsweek misreported this one instance because of the Pentagon official's statements. Aren't you going to lambast the Pentagon official or do you feel it's ok for him to misspeak but not for Newsweek to print it? BTW, nice of you to so easily dismiss other documented abuses of the Quran that Newsweek could have printed.


:cookie:
No, I am not. You can twist and distort things however you wish but the FACT is that newsweek "misreported" it yet you sit here pushing it is accurate. It's just like cBS and Bush's ANG report. The document was fake but your types settled on the "fake but accurate" BS.

Meh, believe what you wish...

CsG
I'm referring to the high-level military investigation that previously revealed abuses. Newsweek was not in the wrong to convey the general message that wrongs were done in Gitmo. They were duped by a Pentagon official and you hold them accountable? Shades of the Rather memo all over again.

Shoot the messenger and ignore the content. Typical right-wing m.o.

:roll: The newsweek issue is about the "misreporting". No where did I say other things did not take place - however in the context of the retraction by newsweek - this is yet another example of the "fake but accurate" yammering from your types. It doesn't excuse the "misreporting" by newsweek. They chose to run with an anonymous source -they got burned.

CsG
There was no retraction. What part of "no retraction" do you not understand?

Yes, they got burned in this one case but the content of their article is true in many other cases. *That* is what you are ignoring and it is *that* which you are calling fake, including a high-level military investigation. You just don't know when to stop with your evasion and obfuscations, do you?

Newsweek Retracts Story on Quran Abuse

And again, your little "fake but accurate" excuse doesn't fly. It's just an attempt to gloss over the bad "journalism" and not take responsibility for the actions that stemmed from the "misreporting".

CsG
 
Ok, now it's officially a retraction. At 9:22pm. Gee, sorry I can't read 8 min. ahead into the future.

But, I see you ignored the rest of my post:

Yes, they got burned in this one case but the content of their article is true in many other cases. *That* is what you are ignoring and it is *that* which you are calling fake, including a high-level military investigation. You just don't know when to stop with your evasion and obfuscations, do you?


Shall I post the contents of what I posted earlier again? Seems you're quite thick-headed tonight. Moreso than usual.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, now it's officially a retraction. At 9:22pm. Gee, sorry I can't read 8 min. ahead into the future.

But, I see you ignored the rest of my post:

Yes, they got burned in this one case but the content of their article is true in many other cases. *That* is what you are ignoring and it is *that* which you are calling fake, including a high-level military investigation. You just don't know when to stop with your evasion and obfuscations, do you?


Shall I post the contents of what I posted earlier again? Seems you're quite thick-headed tonight. Moreso than usual.

The retraction has been out for hours(~2PM)

Again, this isn't about the other allegations -this is about newsweek's "misreporting". Again, I didn't call the military fake...but it's me that is is thick headed :roll:

CsG
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: gallivanter
Originally posted by: conjur
mmm hmmm.

Definitely some arm-twisting from the White House there.
Yeah, it couldn't be that they really screwed up, could it?
Highly unlikely given this administration's reputation in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere.

ROFL, you have a conspiracy theory for everything. What a dumbass.
Nice insult. And, will you be given a vacation for it? Doubtful.

Probably not, but I've seen worse personal insults like somone calling another person an 'evil doer' which sounds far far worse.

Did you get banned for saying any of the following conjur?

FOAD, troll
Ah, the near-sightedness of a Bush-God fanboi.
If it's more than 10 words, Bushies can't handle it.
You are no better than the filth in that video.
I, too, hope a draft is initiated so all the snot-nosed chickenhawks can get a taste of what
they lust for.
You people are sickening.
Ah, another mindless automaton content to live life in ignorant bliss.
But we all know you're actually incapable of thought.
It's WAY past your bedtime. Be sure to brush your teeth first.
You are just one sad, bitter mound of human flesh. WTF happened to you as a child to make you such a bitter prick?
By what stretch of your incredibly active and fvcked up imagination do you come up with that?
You're a complete and utter fool.
You're an idiot.
you are an ignorant fool.
What an asshat post.
What an asshat!!
And, yet again, a brain-dead dumbass chimes in.
There you go, asshat.
You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.
Stop being a Bush-whore.
Another brain-dead sheep spouting off inanities.
this guy is worse than Rip and Passions combined!
BULL-F*CKING-SH*T!
Leave it to a Bushie
Keep your fvcking religion out of MY government!
Go back to your make-believe fairies in the sky thread.
To focus back on the topic now that the peanut gallery and the trolls have spoken.
Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
Y-o-u...a-r-e...a...t-r-o-l-l.
What a load of crap.
go ahead bleating your Bush-God fanboi talking points and living with your head in the sand.
ah heck off, Mr. Snipe-and-run.
Take your <sigh> and stick it
You're just arguing to be the troll you are.
Jesus Christ you're DENSE!
Now that I've thoroughly handed you your ass several times in this thread, I'm going to bed.
What's with the childish trolls of late?
I know it's very difficult for you not to snipe, insult, denigrate, and troll. ha hah!
Now, stfu and give the keyboard back to your parents before you hurt yourself.
You're a pathetic attention whore.
Considering your track record of trolling and plagiarizing
He's just another in a long line of trolls whose name will become synonymous with trolling much as Kleenex has become the catch-all for facial tissue.
stfu! One post in that thread justifies this attention-whoring thread of yours?
Oh, stfu!
Seriously, drop your troll act and engage in REAL discussion or stfu
You're a troll. Your act is OLD and tired.
Otherwise, stfu and crawl back up into Bush's arse.
Until you answer those questions, stfu.
foad
Ah, the bigoted and racist truth becomes known.
Gotta love that tolerance and compassion from the chickenhawks.
Why don't you actually watch the video and then lose that sh*t-don't-stink attitude.
Oh, look. EXman is back to troll again. Going to contribute for once or just following your brother trolls?
Thinning the herd...and I don't mean the deer - conjur's response to the killing of 5 hunters by another hunter.
Good grief. What a fvcking idiotic thing to say. Then again, look who said it.
What a fvcking crock of sh*t!!!!!

Was what I said worst than your little outbursts?
 
Ah...Another stalker, or did you get that from alchemize. I believe he was the no-life stalker tracking things said by people he didn't agree with.

You must be proud.


And, btw, I've had a couple of vacations, yes.
 
It should be possible to desecrate a religious text without fear you're going to be beheaded or shot.

What's up with Salman Rushdie these days? Is he still living in hiding? All he did was write a great piece of literature that somehow offended these crazy fvckers.
 
Waaah...it was because of posts like yours that we have that stickied thread up top. I was calling you out on being a copy of Rip and you know it.

Anyway...this is all going way off-topic. We'd best get back on-topic before CsG paddles our behinds.
 
where was the outrage when i rolled a J with a page out of the bible back in high school?

seriously, i think it's a bit disrespectful now. especially when used as a form of torture, and ire.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
where was the outrage when i rolled a J with a page out of the bible back in high school?

seriously, i think it's a bit disrespectful now. especially when used as a form of torture, and ire.

Well, yeah, it's a bit tacky using it as "torture". I find it difficult to believe they are going to get useful information using these puerile tactics. It's just going to make prisoners even more hostile.
 
I firmly believe newweek caved to the Bush cabol or Pentigon and didn't have the cahounas to stand up for democracy. Knowing some of the peoples attitudes in this red state, I don't doubt that religious effects of detainees were dessecrated. Whether it was flushing, sitting on or ripping, it was still an act of disreapect against all peoples of thefaith. The people who perpatrated these acts should come forward and offer a public statement. I believe that if you dessecrate the bible, then I'll ask for your forgivness, not everyone believes the same. It's offensive but I see know reason to create a war over. In light of the situtions we have left in the Midle-East, we need to have military and contract personell trained to respect others they have in custody or the people living in the towns we enter. "You mayl have to face the consequences that you render".
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Got real quiet in here.

Trust the word of a terrorist over the people defending you from them. Only a liberal....
Trust the word of a lying, deceptive administration over the innocent people being held for 3 years with no legal access. Only a conservative....
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Got real quiet in here.

Trust the word of a terrorist over the people defending you from them. Only a liberal....

Hey idiot, most of the testimony given were from FREED prisoners that did NOTHING against us. They were 100% innocent. But ah yes, I forgot, they're ragheads and all of them must die, right?
 
DR

Are you asking them to write a story about how great the American military is; is that what you're saying here?

Yea that is what I'm saying. lmao, what a joke.

Oh and a great story on the American military would just be so terrible, lol.
 
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
DR

Are you asking them to write a story about how great the American military is; is that what you're saying here?
Yea that is what I'm saying. lmao, what a joke.

Oh and a great story on the American military would just be so terrible, lol.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I'm coming to your question, and you're not letting me have a chance to respond. But our military goes out of their way to handle the Koran with care and respect. There are policies and practices that are in place. This report was wrong. Newsweek, itself, stated that it was wrong.
That's a lie. Newsweek retracted the statements attributed to the Pentagon spokesman. Doesn't change the fact that the Quran has been desecrated as standard practice!

McClellan: Worst Liar Ever!


Newsweek Was Right
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/132550
The Bush Administration's aggressive response to a Newsweek story alleging that US interrogators at Guantanamo Bay flushed the Koran down the toilet in front of Islamic detainees displays the height of hypocrisy. After Newsweek clumsily issued an apology, followed by a retraction, White House spokesman Scott McClellan called on the magazine to "help repair the damage that has been done, particularly in the region," by explaining "what happened and why they got it wrong." Maybe the Bush Administration should do the same, by opening up its secret facilities for inspection to the Red Cross and other third-party observers. We are printing below a letter from reader Calgacus--a pseudonym for a researcher in the national security field for the past twenty years--that shows how the desecration of the Koran became standard US interrogation practice.

"Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo such as those described by Newsweek on 9 May 2005 are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram airbase prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it.

One such incident (during which the Koran was thrown into a pile and stepped on) prompted a hunger strike among Guantanamo detainees in March 2002. Regarding this, the New York Times in a 1 May 2005, article interviewed a former detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said the protest ended with a senior officer delivering an apology to the entire camp. And the Times reports: "A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans." (Neil A. Lewis and Eric Schmitt, "Inquiry Finds Abuses at Guantanamo Bay," New York Times, May 1, 2005, p. 35.)

The hunger strike and apology story is also confirmed by another former detainee, Shafiq Rasul, interviewed by the UK Guardian in 2003 (James Meek, "The People the Law Forgot," The Guardian, December 3, 2003, p. 1.) It was also confirmed by former prisoner Jamal al-Harith in an interview with the Daily Mirror (Rosa Prince and Gary Jones, "My Hell in Camp X-ray World Exclusive," Daily Mirror, March 12, 2004.)

The toilet incident was reported in the Washington Post in a 2003 interview with a former detainee from Afghanistan:

"Ehsannullah, 29, said American soldiers who initially questioned him in Kandahar before shipping him to Guantanamo hit him and taunted him by dumping the Koran in a toilet. It was a very bad situation for us, said Ehsannullah, who comes from the home region of the Taliban leader, Mohammad Omar. We cried so much and shouted, Please do not do that to the Holy Koran. (Marc Kaufman and April Witt, "Out of Legal Limbo, Some Tell of Mistreatment," Washington Post, March 26, 2003.)

Also citing the toilet incident is testimony by Asif Iqbal, a former Guantanamo detainee who was released to British custody in March 2004 and subsequently freed without charge:

"The behaviour of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Koran was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it." (Center for Constitution Rights, Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, August 4, 2004.)

The claim that US troops at Bagram airbase prison in Afghanistan urinated on the Koran was made by former detainee Mohamed Mazouz, a Moroccan, as reported in the Moroccan newspaper, La Gazette du Maroc. (Abdelhak Najib, "Les Americains pissaient sur le Coran et abusaient de nous sexuellement", April 11, 2005). An English translation is available on the Cage Prisoners web site.

Tarek Derghoul, another of the British detainees, similarly cites instances of Koran desecration in an interview with Cageprisoners.com.

Desecration of the Koran was also mentioned by former Guantanamo detainee Abdul Rahim Muslim Dost and reported by the BBC in early May 2005. (Haroon Rashid, "Ex-inmates Share Guantanamo Ordeal," May 2, 2005.)
 
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