All you need to know about Atkins . . . UPDATED 12-3

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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[Rocky Balboa] You're not so tuff[/Rocky Balboa] Jeezus, you post more pics pf yourself than Riprorin and Luvly combined;)

not quite rocky, esp in rocky II or beyond, but I can hold my own....

I got called out....if someone wants to think of me as a pencilneck or fatty because I like PC's and beer (and women and cars)....I will prove them wrong on that.

You should see the size of this chip on my shoulder ;)
Yeah it would probably make an inviting target:) But being a tough guy on the Internet usually comes across as foolish. Of course I am prone to bouts of foolishness now and then;)
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah it would probably make an inviting target:) But being a tough guy on the Internet usually comes across as foolish. Of course I am prone to bouts of foolishness now and then;)

hehe, at least you get it. It's impossible to display a show of power online.
 

akodi

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Atkins just doesn't seem safe, eating less but things that are denser. I believe its better to just exercise and eat more frequently to raise your metabolism, I believe people expect that diets work without changing your whole eating/exercising practices...atkin's is a fad your health is the rest of your life.
 

desy

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atkins diet
Eat more often
Get regular exercise
Eat only 2000 calories a day
Atkins is a diet you are supposed to follow the rest of your days if you get fat easily
It why you went on a diet in the first place . member?
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: tooltime
any diet where 'Pork Rinds' is allowed rocks!

I got sick of them after a week. Give me macadamia nuts and cashews any time!

I go in for a full blood screen December 3. I'll be sure to post my results in here, with comparisons to my prior numbers if I can get a copy of my last test.
 

FriedToast

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I've got a friend who was having debilitating headaches and backpains. I don't remember how he was referred to the Atkins diet (whether it was his doc or if he did some personal research), but he went on the diet and it cleared him up of the headaches and backpains. He said he felt better than he had in years.

He fell off the diet later- I don't remember the reason, but I do remember him saying all the physical crap had came back as a result, so it was back to the diet.

This guy had spent his time in the military, went through Viet Nam, retired with the Washington State Patrol, been a farmer most of his life. He was really excited when he explained how it'd been working out for him. When you can look at someone and see a difference and hear it in their voice, that's convincing.

There might be problems with this diet. I'm not the one to say either way. But I do know that it does work for some people. For those of you that've lost weight, congrats.
 

alkemyst

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I wanted to add some things because there is a lot of misinfo.

The Atkin's diet works....that's not to say nothing else does, it's just that the kinds of foods it allows you makes up for the lack of sweets many crave.

Still I don't care if you are losing weight or thin as a rail, a Pork Rind is never good for you. Neither is very high fat sausages at each meal.

The premise most people are assuming is the New Diet Revolution/Atkins is a ketosis diet. It is for the first two weeks only....I am not going to explain ketotis here because if I do it in layman's term it gets torn apart and I am not about to go on a three page diatribe.

The problem is Atkins may not be suitable for long term use. Doctor's do recommend it, my father was on it for 3-6months and it was prescribed. They then had him make his diet more 'regular', however without sweets and highly-glycemic carbs (these is removed from most people's diets would be all that's needed)....he was also told only lean cut meats and if he is using sausage use lite ones.

For me I don't like to waste time so I go for extremes (probably many of which would throw someone else in to cardiac arrest).....when I had gotten to 237lbs of fat from about 180-190lbs in shape I had enough.

My cardio was still decent, I had just gotten done with high school and my beginning college years....I was active just not extremely active like I was (I would be at the gym in the morning, karate or something similar at night each day while in school), so I made a grueling workout plan for myself about 2hours of non-stop weights, I cut back my food to about 75% (guestimate) of what my maintanence calories would be for 150lbs of lean muscle mass, and ran usually 2x a day 30-45mins, these were runs not jogs in the park :), I would be literally drenched, and I also added the 'terrible' Ephedrine/Caffiene combo to my plans.

First month I lost over a pound each day, I think I lost close to 45lbs.....second month and final months about 25 each...I am not saying it's better than atkins as a matter of fact I am sure it would cause many people a great deal of problems. My father would not be able to do this routine. I was banking on being young, and coming from a previously highly conditioned time.

However I will say for a diet if you were to stick with lean meats (turkey, chicken, some pork and beef cuts, some fish types (salmon and tuna are good)) with a portion of only 4-6oz, some vegetables, maybe a little whole grain (wheat, rye, pumpernickle) bread for taste and a little rice if wanted you'd drop weight....the trick is to find out how much food do you really need, most of the time even for those in shape it's less than they are already eating.

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trikster2

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Wife just got put on atkins by her doctor of all things.

We've been doing so reading on it and the diet seems to make some sense.

Note that the "maintenance" phase of the diet is a lot more reasonable that the extreme first phases. Does not look to unhealthy.

/flame on
Got no respect for anyone that says I lost 10000000 lbs (wisper but I used speed jr). I tried epedra based products at one time when I was young and foolish (now I'm just old and foolish) and sincerely believe I could loose 5 lbs a day looking at a painting while "doing" that junk.

Note that we have never had a doctor put either of us on kiddie speed so score one for atkins I guess.

/flame off

Anyway one thing we are are finding a lot of is fairly high carb products (20+ grams a serving) that claim very low "net carbs". The low "net carb" high carb products taste good, almost too good. For example the "low carb" Klondike Icecream bars that claim 4 or 5 "net carbs" but taste as good or better than "high carb" ice cream bars.

So questions for Atkins doods and gals: Can you trust those "net carbs"? Does using low "net carb" but high total carb products hinder or help your progress with atkins

Thanks for any info
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: trikster2
Wife just got put on atkins by her doctor of all things.

We've been doing so reading on it and the diet seems to make some sense.

Note that the "maintenance" phase of the diet is a lot more reasonable that the extreme first phases. Does not look to unhealthy.

/flame on
Got no respect for anyone that says I lost 10000000 lbs (wisper but I used speed jr). I tried epedra based products at one time when I was young and foolish (now I'm just old and foolish) and sincerely believe I could loose 5 lbs a day looking at a painting while "doing" that junk.

Note that we have never had a doctor put either of us on kiddie speed so score one for atkins I guess.

/flame off

Anyway one thing we are are finding a lot of is fairly high carb products (20+ grams a serving) that claim very low "net carbs". The low "net carb" high carb products taste good, almost too good. For example the "low carb" Klondike Icecream bars that claim 4 or 5 "net carbs" but taste as good or better than "high carb" ice cream bars.

So questions for Atkins doods and gals: Can you trust those "net carbs"? Does using low "net carb" but high total carb products hinder or help your progress with atkins

Thanks for any info

As far as the net carb question, some of the diet ice creams, for example, use Splenda, which is a very good artificial sweetener. The carbs in it are not processed by the body and do not impact blood sugar levels, so for those intents and purposes they are considered "free."
 

desy

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Wife just finished the two week induction
Down 8lb, She didn't get to the gym in the last week either. two kids under 3 what can I say.
I think the book tells you not to count those 'net carbs' just the total so you don't fool yourself unless its a purely natural food.
IE brown rice or something.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: trikster2
/flame on
Got no respect for anyone that says I lost 10000000 lbs (wisper but I used speed jr). I tried epedra based products at one time when I was young and foolish (now I'm just old and foolish) and sincerely believe I could loose 5 lbs a day looking at a painting while "doing" that junk.

Note that we have never had a doctor put either of us on kiddie speed so score one for atkins I guess.

/flame off

If you REALLY used ECA, you would know the ephedra is the same as the dose an ASTHMA patient takes....I don't know about you but those 'lungers' aren't usually in the best of cardio shape.

Then you just add 200mg of caffiene....easily a dosage consumed by many here.

The only problems with ECA have been in abuse. It's always someone with an iffy ticker or overconsumption of it.

My pulse rose 10bpm on it, my blood pressure stayed roughly the same and normal.

Again you got a crappy body, anything extra may throw you over the edge.

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XMan

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UPDATE -

Checked in with the doctor today. I've lost another 7 pounds, for a total of 81.

My blood pressure has dropped from 180/95 to 110/72.

My resting pulse has dropped from 70 to 56.

Blood work should be in by Friday. :D
 

Linux23

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Originally posted by: X-Man
UPDATE -

Checked in with the doctor today. I've lost another 7 pounds, for a total of 81.

My blood pressure has dropped from 180/95 to 110/72.

My resting pulse has dropped from 70 to 56.

Blood work should be in by Friday. :D

you da man? how did you survive Thanksgiving? I unfortunately shot up a few pounds because of temptation. :(
 

XMan

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I just ate turkey and vegetables. No starchy stuff and no desserts, though I did have some sugar free Jell-O. Still nothing compared to mom's pumpkin pie.
 

XMan

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Blood work . . . drumroll please . . . .

6/4

Triglycerides: 289 (should be 0-149)
A1C: 6.9% (should be 4.5-5.7)
HDL: 25 (40+ is ideal)
LDL: 155 (should be 0-99)
Total Cholesterol: 218 (I don't know why it doesn't add up??? Total should be around 100-199)
Glucose, Serum w/fasting: 112

12/3

Triglycerides: 124
A1C: 5.5
HDL: 24
LDL: 135
Total Cholesterol: 203
Glucose, Serum w/fasting: 87

The other tests on my sheet here were for kidney and thyroid function . . . not sure what the little abbreviations mean, but the note from my doctor says they are all within nominal ranges. HDL is a little low and LDL a little high but both should normalize with weight loss per my doctor.

And at the end of the note . . .

"given his age and how successful he has been with weight loss I would continue doing what he is doing and we will recheck labs in 6-12 months as long as he is comfortable with that."

This is a different doctor than the prescribing doc, too, BTW, so he's going into the situation with an open mind unlike some people around here. ;)
 

Wingznut

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Very well done, X-Man.

Btw, everyone... My results were similar:

Total
2/01 = 173
8/03 = 180
Less than 200

Triglycerides
2/01 = 144
8/03 = 53
Less than 150

HDL
02/01 = 39
08/03 = 60
Greater than 40

LDL
02/01 = 105
08/03 = 117
Less than 130

Chol/HDL ratio
02/01 = 4.44
08/03 = 3.10
Less than 5.2

Weight
05/03 = 217lbs
08/03 = 179lbs

:)