All you Clinton Haters

[boomerang]

Find some excerpts of her interview with Chris Wallace this past Sunday. The woman is either unwilling or unable to interpret the findings of the FBI as stated by Director James Comey.

He publicly states one thing based on their investigation and she interprets it to mean the opposite. This isn't spin on her part. This is a form of dementia brought on by a lifetime of compulsive lying. She is not living in the real world she is living in one that she fabricates to suit her psyche.

 

[Genx87]

Private email server??

Benghazi??

$600k from speaking engagements??

Come on, show me something.

Iraq war, Libya, soon to be Syria.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Iraq war, Libya, soon to be Syria.

Help me understand something here...

Both candidates have said they want to "destroy ISIS", I believe even Bernie said this. All the fear mongering seems to have the American public scared shitless of ISIS and the majority of the American public seems to want ISIS "destroyed". So...how do we "destroy ISIS" without going into Syria and Libya with some sort of military operations? This just a Clinton issue?

 

[Genx87]

Help me understand something here...

Both candidates have said they want to "destroy ISIS", I believe even Bernie said this. All the fear mongering seems to have the American public scared shitless of ISIS and the majority of the American public seems to want ISIS "destroyed". So...how do we "destroy ISIS" without going into Syria and Libya with some sort of military operations? This just a Clinton issue?

Syria isn't just a Clinton issue. But that doesnt mean we cant criticize her for it and her past transgressions that helped leave over one million dead and two countries in ruin.

ISIS is a direct result of the Iraq war. A war Clinton voted yes to conduct. Libya was pushed by her. And guess who we bombed in Libya last week? ISIS!

We go into Syria and the next great shitstorm will rise from its ashes. The worst part is her continuing on to want to push out Assad. She hasnt learned a single thing from Iraq and Libya.

 

[openwheel]

apparently the body count is 95? LOL

 

[Genx87]

apparently the body count is 95? LOL

Which body count? Are you talking about the 60+civilians we killed via air strikes a couple weeks ago fleeing ISIS?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ia-kills-up-to-85-civilians-mistaken-for-isi/

 

[fskimospy]

Syria isn't just a Clinton issue. But that doesnt mean we cant criticize her for it and her past transgressions that helped leave over one million dead and two countries in ruin.

ISIS is a direct result of the Iraq war. A war Clinton voted yes to conduct. Libya was pushed by her. And guess who we bombed in Libya last week? ISIS!

We go into Syria and the next great shitstorm will rise from its ashes. The worst part is her continuing on to want to push out Assad. She hasnt learned a single thing from Iraq and Libya.

Pushing out Assad is probably an inevitable requirement for Syria so she's right about that. Under what circumstances do you see the rest of the country returning to peace under his rule unless he literally kills them all? I can't think of any. If there's going to be any peace in that country it will probably require some sort of third way government.

 

[Genx87]

Pushing out Assad is probably an inevitable requirement for Syria so she's right about that. Under what circumstances do you see the rest of the country returning to peace under his rule unless he literally kills them all? I can't think of any. If there's going to be any peace in that country it will probably require some sort of third way government.

Under what circumstance do you see the country not turning into Iraq and Libya if the only legitimate governing body is removed from power? What happens in Syria if we stay out happens. We dont need to add fuel to fire. Our track record is clear and pretty much guaranteed to produce horrible results.

 

[fskimospy]

Under what circumstance do you see the country not turning into Iraq and Libya if the only legitimate governing body is removed from power? What happens in Syria if we stay out happens. We dont need to add fuel to fire. Our track record is clear and pretty much guaranteed to produce horrible results.

Oh what planet is Assad a legitimate governing body anymore in large portions of Syria? He hasn't been in charge there for about half a decade now. (yes, it's really been that long!) Do you think people he has been murdering for half a decade are suddenly going to be okay with his re-establishing control and the almost inevitable bloody reprisals? Remember, his zest for shooting protesters contributed to the start of the civil war.

All that aside, it's certainly beyond my ability to see where Syria ends up in the future with or without our involvement, but I think Clinton is basically entirely correct that Assad is very unlikely to be able to lead a united country going forward unless he basically kills everyone.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Find some excerpts of her interview with Chris Wallace this past Sunday. The woman is either unwilling or unable to interpret the findings of the FBI as stated by Director James Comey.

He publicly states one thing based on their investigation and she interprets it to mean the opposite. This isn't spin on her part. This is a form of dementia brought on by a lifetime of compulsive lying. She is not living in the real world she is living in one that she fabricates to suit her psyche.

What strikes me is that she appeared during the interview to be totally convinced that she didn't lie even when her nose was forcefully rubbed in reality. The bubble she lives in is enormous.

 

[Jhhnn]

What strikes me is that she appeared during the interview to be totally convinced that she didn't lie even when her nose was forcefully rubbed in reality. The bubble she lives in is enormous.

Please. She was merely defensive & mistaken in the assertion that there was no classified stuff in her email. She's still playing it poorly.

In order to lie one must know the truth. She didn't know the truth. Comey & the FBI understand that. They never accused her of lying.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Syria isn't just a Clinton issue. But that doesnt mean we cant criticize her for it and her past transgressions that helped leave over one million dead and two countries in ruin.

ISIS is a direct result of the Iraq war. A war Clinton voted yes to conduct. Libya was pushed by her. And guess who we bombed in Libya last week? ISIS!

We go into Syria and the next great shitstorm will rise from its ashes. The worst part is her continuing on to want to push out Assad. She hasnt learned a single thing from Iraq and Libya.

Fair enough...I agree with you on much of what you said about our miss-adventures in the ME. But, we have a choice between Trump (for now) and Clinton. Say Clinton is elected and does an about face and decides to not intervene and let the ME handle it, they themselves must "destroy ISIS". Would the American public accept this?. The fear mongering rules the state right now. Trump is stoking those fears as part of the backbone of his campaign.

You know how this works. The next disgruntled Muslim American goes out and shots up a club and then you have a backlash of outcries from the public and war hawks. Why are we NOT over there destroying ISIS!..She's weak!, not doing enough to protect America! blah blah.

 

[Sonikku]

Hillary passes herself as being pro equality for women and pro LGBT rights but she has received massive donations from Saudis and some of the most anti-gay, anti-women's rights groups and governments in the world. I wish Republicans would levy this kind of criticism against her instead of just going on and on about Benghazi like a broken record. If the GoP cared so much about such things then the Marines barracks bombings should have been hearings Armageddon.

 

[K1052]

Hillary passes herself as being pro equality for women and pro LGBT rights but she has received massive donations from Saudis and some of the most anti-gay, anti-women's rights groups and governments in the world. I wish Republicans would levy this kind of criticism against her instead of just going on and on about Benghazi like a broken record. If the GoP cared so much about such things then the Marines barracks bombings should have been hearings Armageddon.

The problem with that being that a not inconsequential portion of the Republican base embraces social conservative values that overlap at times with that of the Saudis.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Please. She was merely defensive & mistaken in the assertion that there was no classified stuff in her email. She's still playing it poorly.

In order to lie one must know the truth. She didn't know the truth. Comey & the FBI understand that. They never accused her of lying.

It appears that you and Hillary have a lot in common regarding 'pants on fire' lying.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/

 

[Texashiker]

Private email server??
Benghazi??
$600k from speaking engagements??
Come on, show me something.

How about morals and values being for sale?

hillary is supposed to be a progressive liberal and a champion for womens rights.

Then why is hillary accepting money from nations like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait?

hillary does not care about the causes she is supposed to support. If she did, she would speak out against nations like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait. Let her speak out against ultra-orthodox segregation in israel.

hillary has yet to call out Saudi Arabia for refusing Syrian refugees.

 

[Genx87]

Oh what planet is Assad a legitimate governing body anymore in large portions of Syria? He hasn't been in charge there for about half a decade now. (yes, it's really been that long!) Do you think people he has been murdering for half a decade are suddenly going to be okay with his re-establishing control and the almost inevitable bloody reprisals? Remember, his zest for shooting protesters contributed to the start of the civil war.

All that aside, it's certainly beyond my ability to see where Syria ends up in the future with or without our involvement, but I think Clinton is basically entirely correct that Assad is very unlikely to be able to lead a united country going forward unless he basically kills everyone.

So if in a civil war or occupied by a foreign govt over the course of time your legitimacy disappears? How many years until Crimea is legitimately Russian? Was the south legitimately not part of the United States after 4 years of war? How long until ISIS legitimately owns nearly 1/3rd of Iraq? Did the Soviets lose their legitimate claim to the Eastern part of their country after 3 years of German occupation? France after 4? I find that an interesting point to take.

I don't think you have to try very hard to see where eliminating the Syrian regime would put Syria. Is this really something you cant fathom? Especially with such recent examples in Iraq and Libya?

 

[Genx87]

Fair enough...I agree with you on much of what you said about our miss-adventures in the ME. But, we have a choice between Trump (for now) and Clinton. Say Clinton is elected and does an about face and decides to not intervene and let the ME handle it, they themselves must "destroy ISIS". Would the American public accept this?. The fear mongering rules the state right now. Trump is stoking those fears as part of the backbone of his campaign.

You know how this works. The next disgruntled Muslim American goes out and shots up a club and then you have a backlash of outcries from the public and war hawks. Why are we NOT over there destroying ISIS!..She's weak!, not doing enough to protect America! blah blah.

If Clinton had a history of not wanting to go into these countries and wreak utter havoc on their populations we could give her the benefit of the doubt. But given her past and voiced policy on Syria. I think it is a real long shot she decides to stay out of Syria. I give Trump more a chance to not get involved than her. At least he has said at some point we cant get into shooting wars in Syria.

The American public is easily scared. But I think a lot of that is pushed down from our govt. All we hear about is how Muslims are trying to kill us. But the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is really low. Keeping us shitting our pants allows the politicians to keep our military shooting up countries in the name of terror.

So imo the best option is to find candidates who truly want to disengage from these foreign policy disasters.

 

[rudder]

Won't survive 4 years of Clinton? We've survived the greatest Repub policy induced financial crisis since the Great Depression & the squandering of untold billions in the invasion of Iraq, a crime against humanity. We've endured nearly 8 years of obstructionism by congressional repubs. We've seen the blossoming of utter wretchedness in the Repub party with the nomination of Trump.

This explains it all. You are utterly clueless as to how our government is being run and you put way too much faith in the main stream media. And if there was really useful obstructionism by republicans in congress there would have been no way in hell Trump would have been nominated. Sadly. his nomination is nothing more that a big FU to establishment republicans. The establishment is the problem and the establishment is made up of powerful democrats and powerful republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

So if in a civil war or occupied by a foreign govt over the course of time your legitimacy disappears? How many years until Crimea is legitimately Russian? Was the south legitimately not part of the United States after 4 years of war? How long until ISIS legitimately owns nearly 1/3rd of Iraq? Did the Soviets lose their legitimate claim to the Eastern part of their country after 3 years of German occupation? France after 4? I find that an interesting point to take.

I didn't say your legitimacy disappears, I just very strongly question Assad's ability to ever govern his country effectively again without a bloodbath. I think the chances of that are basically zero. Because of this, Clinton is 100% right. No matter what you think should replace Assad, Assad has to go.

I don't think you have to try very hard to see where eliminating the Syrian regime would put Syria. Is this really something you cant fathom? Especially with such recent examples in Iraq and Libya?

This isn't really relevant. Assad has already lost his ability to govern his country in my opinion and he cannot reclaim it. Therefore, removing the regime does nothing that wouldn't already be happening anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

It appears that you and Hillary have a lot in common regarding 'pants on fire' lying.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/

Oh, please. The fact remains that Comey & the FBI never accused her of lying. If you contend that they have, quote & link.

She's still handling it wrong. It's all just a question of optics derived from her original assertion made in answer to an ambush question about classified information. She said more than she knew & more than any rational person would expect her to remember. The right answer at the time would have been-

"Look, guys- we're talking about 50,000 emails & a couple of years between then & now. I did my best to keep classified information where it belonged. I can't say for certain that absolutely none of it was classified. It's ridiculous to think that anybody could."

The right answer today is-

"I said more than I knew at the time. I got defensive about it. I was mistaken in doing so. I accept the findings of the FBI & take them to heart. I will not repeat the mistakes I made."

 

[zinfamous]

21 Senate hearings on Benghazi; for comparison, 9/11 had 22 hearings. How many hearings were there when other embassies were attacked? 7 separate investigations into Hillary's actions. Every one of the partisan investigations came to the same conclusion: no wrongdoing. And, those investigations revealed (if you paid attention) that most of the commonly spread nonsense about Hillary's actions were false.

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

But the investigations happened--that's all that matters!

GUILTY!

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't say your legitimacy disappears, I just very strongly question Assad's ability to ever govern his country effectively again without a bloodbath. I think the chances of that are basically zero. Because of this, Clinton is 100% right. No matter what you think should replace Assad, Assad has to go.



This isn't really relevant. Assad has already lost his ability to govern his country in my opinion and he cannot reclaim it. Therefore, removing the regime does nothing that wouldn't already be happening anyway.

What makes you think that outside forces can somehow create a new Syrian govt w/o a bloodbath? It's not like we have any understanding of the nuance involved.

Democracy cannot be spread at gunpoint. Simply because we can tear down existing govts doesn't mean that better ones will automagically rise to replace them.

 

[zinfamous]

That ignores the fact that the right has been hating Hillary since she was first lady trying to push universal health care.


The dumb bitch doesn't know her role, is how I remember it.

This. She has been a target of fatman Newt since the day she dared step out of the kitchen and be so bold as to have a mere opinion over real issues, let alone engage in policy--a first for a FLOTUS. (The bulk of Eleanor's good work was done post-FLOTUS).

Prior to Hillary, all that was expected of a first lady was to model dresses and transmit national security and policy advice from your astrologer to your demented husband.

 

[Texashiker]

Won't survive 4 years of Clinton? We've survived the greatest Repub policy induced financial crisis since the Great Depression.

It was bill clinton who changed the banking regulations and set the banks on a path to crash.

the crash just "happened" to happen under a Republican president.