All lives matter BOOED! Only black lives matter.

[FerrelGeek]

I've said it before and your post helps prove my point. The blacklivesmatter crowd has NO interest in actually resolving racial issues in this country. The racial strife is how they stay in the limelight and get their power. You think that Sharpton wants this issue to go away??? He loves the power he's got to run around bullying people and extorting money.

It was a stupid thing to say. It marginalized the movement and their agenda, which is to reduce the number of unarmed black people being killed in our society.

The apology was justified IMO.

 

[pauldun170]

I guess I'm wasting my time here but based on the video, they booed and stated the reason why they booed.
"Don't generalize" (1:04 in the video)
They were there to specifically call out stuff impacting blacks.
By generalizing, it shifts away from what is the perceived issue and steers it to a response that avoids specifics and focuses on "safe talking points". Responses that will work across demographics.
Basically, "I feel your pain." followed by shifting the conversation to something more on message.

As for the protestors themselves, I don't think I've seen any individual protestor from any type of protest be the model of poise and communication.

The guys are running for office. They were there to protest unfair treatment. They shut him down when he tried to deliver talking points

 

[woolfe9998]

Maybe the explanation is that white kids get a slap on the wrist when caught with a little pot while black kids get the book thrown at them? Hell, I've seen plenty of white kids just get their pot confiscated and let go without ever being arrested. Think that happens at the same rate with black kids? I doubt it.

All of a sudden, black crime rates look much worse when in reality maybe they aren't even committing more crime than the rest of the population.

This could be, but the truth is we're offering educated guesses. Neither of us knows the reason or reasons for the discrepancy.

As to your last remark, I don't think your logic applies equally well to serious and violent crime. I doubt the cops are letting off white murderers with a slap on the wrist. Hence, you'd expect equal rates in serious and violent crimes but the rates aren't equal. I don't think the differing overall crime rates are solely a function of racism in the system as your comment implies.

 

[dank69]

This could be, but the truth is we're offering educated guesses. Neither of us knows the reason or reasons for the discrepancy.

As to your last remark, I don't think your logic applies equally well to serious and violent crime. I doubt the cops are letting off white murderers with a slap on the wrist. Hence, you'd expect equal rates in serious and violent crimes but the rates aren't equal. I don't think the differing overall crime rates are solely a function of racism in the system as your comment implies.

I think poverty is the common factor with violent crime more so than race:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

 

[HomerJS]

If saying "all lives matter" marginalizes their movement, then conversely their statement marginalizes other movements and agendas. Hence, using their logic, anyone not part of their movement/group should not support them or their agenda.

The bottom line is that all lives matter, and booing someone for saying so exposed the idiots for the racists that they are.

The bottom line "all lives matter" is how it should be but it's not. That's the reason for the meme.

Watering it down with "all lives matter" trivializes the issues of the black community

 

[JulesMaximus]

The bottom line "all lives matter" is how it should be but it's not. That's the reason for the meme.

Watering it down with "all lives matter" trivializes the issues of the black community

That's pretty much it right there and that's all I was saying. :thumbsup:

It was a stupid thing for O'Malley to say and I'm not at all surprised by the reaction it got. The apology was warranted and this is a stupid troll thread. I notice all the trolls are out in force too.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I think poverty is the common factor with violent crime more so than race:

The US needs to let more illegal aliens in the country, I'm sure that will improve the job market and poverty levels in the country.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The bottom line "all lives matter" is how it should be but it's not. That's the reason for the meme.

Watering it down with "all lives matter" trivializes the issues of the black community

And trying to spread the message that "our lives matter more than yours" simply galvanizes the opposition and provides easy fodder for people who question the black community about their own actions in killing members of the the black community. The phrase "black lives matter" is a complete and utter failure because it automatically demands the sensible reply that "all lives matter" and that changes the debate. You can't make headway when you're constantly trying to defend your own catchphrase because it's so open to attack.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think poverty is the common factor with violent crime more so than race:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

No doubt, but it wasn't my contention that race per se is the "cause." The cause is what is under discussion. You first posited the cause as racism in the system, which is what I was responding to. Now you're positing poverty. No doubt poverty is a major contributing factor to crime. However, you just shifted the goal posts.

 

[CitizenKain]

I've said it before and your post helps prove my point. The blacklivesmatter crowd has NO interest in actually resolving racial issues in this country. The racial strife is how they stay in the limelight and get their power. You think that Sharpton wants this issue to go away??? He loves the power he's got to run around bullying people and extorting money.

Yea, because marginalized people have power all of a sudden.

Racists like yourself have no interest in solving racial issues in the country, that much is obvious. In fact, you get really upset that someone like Sharpton keeps pointing it out too.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The bottom line "all lives matter" is how it should be but it's not. That's the reason for the meme.

Watering it down with "all lives matter" trivializes the issues of the black community

"All lives matter" is an inclusive meme for ALL those affected by unarmed police shootings....a majority of which happens to involve white victims btw. "Black lives matter" trivializes the issues for whites, browns and everybody else affected. If you truly want to help solve a problem that affects all races, the last thing you need to do is to frame the problem in a racially divisive manner.

 

[fskimospy]

"All lives matter" is an inclusive meme for ALL those affected by unarmed police shootings....a majority of which happens to involve white victims btw. "Black lives matter" trivializes the issues for whites, browns and everybody else affected. If you truly want to help solve a problem that affects all races, the last thing you need to do is to frame the problem in a racially divisive manner.

Except of course for the obvious fact that disproportionate shooting of black people doesn't affect all races.

This whole thing where people blame the victims of racism for pointing out that racism exists is so tired.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Except of course for the obvious fact that disproportionate shooting of black people doesn't affect all races.

This whole thing where people blame the victims of racism for pointing out that racism exists is so tired.

Look at the numbers objectively (if that's possible). While there is mostly likely an element of racism involved, there is not nearly as much as some would have you believe. There are TWO problems here...not one. And ONE is a helluva a lot bigger than the other one.

 

[fskimospy]

Look at the numbers objectively (if that's possible) While there is mostly likely an element of racism involved, there is not nearly as much as some would have you believe. There are TWO problems here...not one. And ONE is a helluva a lot bigger than the other one.

There are two problems here, I agree. That doesn't mean that focusing on one instead of the other is somehow illegitimate.

Racism in policing exists. The people affected by it are under no obligation to pursue universal police reforms.

 

[dank69]

No doubt, but it wasn't my contention that race per se is the "cause." The cause is what is under discussion. You first posited the cause as racism in the system, which is what I was responding to. Now you're positing poverty. No doubt poverty is a major contributing factor to crime. However, you just shifted the goal posts.

It wasn't my intention to shift the goal posts. I'm not even sure that I did. :hmm: I think poverty leads people to commit more crime regardless of race, so when you see more black people committing violent crime, I think that is the result of more black people living in poverty. On top of that, I think black people are much less likely to be shown leniency by the cops for minor crimes, which further skews the overall crime statistics. It would be interesting to see some actual statistics. Does the violent crime ratio match the poverty ratio? I wonder.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There are two problems here, I agree. That doesn't mean that focusing on one instead of the other is somehow illegitimate.

Racism in policing exists. The people affected by it are under no obligation to pursue universal police reforms.

I'm not saying that focusing on one instead of the other is somehow illegitimate. I'm saying that if you honestly want to make progress on the issue, you certainly don't insult non-blacks by being offended by the usage of a simple statement like "all lives matter"...it comes across as if non-black unarmed victims doesn't mean shit to blacks imo.

 

[JulesMaximus]

And trying to spread the message that "our lives matter more than yours" simply galvanizes the opposition and provides easy fodder for people who question the black community about their own actions in killing members of the the black community. The phrase "black lives matter" is a complete and utter failure because it automatically demands the sensible reply that "all lives matter" and that changes the debate. You can't make headway when you're constantly trying to defend your own catchphrase because it's so open to attack.

😵 Nobody is saying that though.

 

[werepossum]

There are two problems here, I agree. That doesn't mean that focusing on one instead of the other is somehow illegitimate.

Racism in policing exists. The people affected by it are under no obligation to pursue universal police reforms.

True, they are no obligation to do so. However, most people figure out early in life that "I demand that you help me and fuck you and your problems" is not a good strategy for winning friends and influencing people.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm not saying that focusing on one instead of the other is somehow illegitimate. I'm saying that if you honestly want to make progress on the issue, you certainly don't insult non-blacks by being offended by the usage of a simple statement like "all lives matter"...it comes across as if non-black unarmed victims doesn't mean shit to blacks imo.

I'm not black and it doesn't offend me. Why the fuck does it offend you?

You're reading things into this that simply aren't there.

 

[werepossum]

It wasn't my intention to shift the goal posts. I'm not even sure that I did. :hmm: I think poverty leads people to commit more crime regardless of race, so when you see more black people committing violent crime, I think that is the result of more black people living in poverty. On top of that, I think black people are much less likely to be shown leniency by the cops for minor crimes, which further skews the overall crime statistics. It would be interesting to see some actual statistics. Does the violent crime ratio match the poverty ratio? I wonder.

I recall reading statistics some years ago that if corrected for poverty AND for single parent households, there is no significant different in crime rates between whites and blacks. However, the crime rate of necessity mirrors the uncorrected statistics, and the incarceration rates multiply those factors since ability to pay for good legal representation is probably THE strongest factor in determining punishment. I recall one local lawyer stating that his client adamantly denies being intoxicated when he was arrested and insists of proving his innocence at trial, but in the interests of not wasting the court's time is willing to plead guilty to first time DUI. If memory serves (and this much later it might not), that would have been his eleventh conviction for first time DUI if accepted. That is probably not a deal available with a public defender.

 

[xBiffx]

😵 Nobody is saying that though.

You are trying to defuse a bomb. I'm on the radio telling you "red wires matter." You reply with "all wires matter." I reply back and say "no, red wires matter."

Which wire color do you think matters more? Which wire color do you think I'm trying to focus your attention on? Be honest. Cutting blue, yellow, and green wires willy nilly isn't the smartest way to defuse that bomb, but hey, "red wires matter" so why not?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Precisely! If blacklivesmatter (which they most CERTAINLY DO), let's start by trying to reduce the slaughter going on in south Chicago on a given weekend. I'm not saying that to be snide; I mean it. All those lives wasted is a tragedy. 🙁

And trying to spread the message that "our lives matter more than yours" simply galvanizes the opposition and provides easy fodder for people who question the black community about their own actions in killing members of the the black community. The phrase "black lives matter" is a complete and utter failure because it automatically demands the sensible reply that "all lives matter" and that changes the debate. You can't make headway when you're constantly trying to defend your own catchphrase because it's so open to attack.

 

[dank69]

You are trying to defuse a bomb. I'm on the radio telling you "red wires matter." You reply with "all wires matter." I reply back and say "no, red wires matter."

Which wire color do you think matters more? Which wire color do you think I'm trying to focus your attention on? Be honest. Cutting blue, yellow, and green wires willy nilly isn't the smartest way to defuse that bomb, but hey, "red wires matter" so why not?

Except in you analogy, red wires do matter more while in real life, black lives don't matter more. Your whole analogy fails.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Yea, because marginalized people have power all of a sudden.

Racists like yourself have no interest in solving racial issues in the country, that much is obvious. In fact, you get really upset that someone like Sharpton keeps pointing it out too.

You know nothing of me, moron. Just because I say something you don't like gives you no valid reason to throw out the R word. It's morons like you that throw that word out so casually that are just as much a part of the problem.

I'll take the response to the Charleston shooting (a horrible event) over what happened in Ferguson or Baltimore any day.

 

[xBiffx]

Except in you analogy, red wires do matter more while in real life, black lives don't matter more. Your whole analogy fails.

How? Because I said so. Doesn't help you choose which one to cut. For all we know it could be that little grey fucker off to the side. Basically, focusing in on one color wire diverts the attention away from the bigger problem. Diffusing a bomb. In that case, all wires are suspect and they all matter.