All lives matter BOOED! Only black lives matter.

[chucky2]

Of course black lives matter! People must be alive to vote for you right?

 

[PokerGuy]

Racism in policing exists. The people affected by it are under no obligation to pursue universal police reforms.

Of course they are not. Just like anyone not directly affected by that is not under any obligation to support their agenda and help get any results. If you intend to get anything done, you'd better not start with "we don't give a crap about anyone else, it's only about impact on our group", because if you do, everyone else will simply say "why should I care??".

Bottom line, their racist attitude is getting exposed, which makes opens them up to very uncomfortable political positions.

 

[PokerGuy]

People must be alive to vote for you right?

Nah, not really, that's not always a requirement 😉

 

[chucky2]

Nah, not really, that's not always a requirement 😉

Haha :biggrin:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

😵 Nobody is saying that though.

Yes they are.

"Christians are gods people!" does not say "and nobody else is", but that's clearly the message.

"All lives matter" vs "black lives matter". Why would you use the latter when the former is more accurate and more inclusive? The implication seems to "Black lives matter more" or "black lives matter to us" or some other equally exclusionary belief. And that's the freaking problem. You have to debate what the message is trying to say because it's not clear what it really means. It's a stupid message that sounds racist and sounds like black lives matter most and that makes it counter-productive. The black community has to defend it and pretend they're not racist and the white community can use it as a rallying cry of "It's us vs them".

 

[bshole]

"All lives matter" is an inclusive meme for ALL those affected by unarmed police shootings....a majority of which happens to involve white victims btw. "Black lives matter" trivializes the issues for whites, browns and everybody else affected. If you truly want to help solve a problem that affects all races, the last thing you need to do is to frame the problem in a racially divisive manner.

Actually that is kind of a good point. Cops kill whites all the time. I think this really should be framed as a cop issue rather than a race issue. The absolute worst disgrace was when the cops beat a homeless unarmed white man to death in LA (I think) while he begged for mercy (Kelly Thomas). Cops walked on all charges.

In my home city of Milwaukee, over 50% of all black males have spent time in jail/prison, (this rises to 66% in the poorest districts). These are the kind of stats that hollow out and destroy societies. I do not know why it is so horrible (possibly lack of jobs/kids having kids) and I have no idea what can be done to rectify the situation.

I will say this, I can tell which of my son's black friends are going to succeed and which are destined for destruction. So far the majority of them are making bad decisions and getting into drugs/alcohol (at age 14). These are kids that are given the chance to attend a high end school district because of Chapter 220 and they are still blowing it! The worst part is that they ACTIVELY and AGGRESIVELY bully resident teens into taking drugs/alcohol. I am taking steps to remove them from the list of people accepted in my home.

On a related note, a fat chick at my son's school has been pursuing him relentlessly for months now. I think she has broken through his defenses and now I am afraid that she is using sex to entice him. So I am no fan of fat chicks.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...sin-prisons-incarcerate-most-black-men-in-u-s

 

[JulesMaximus]

You are trying to defuse a bomb. I'm on the radio telling you "red wires matter." You reply with "all wires matter." I reply back and say "no, red wires matter."

Which wire color do you think matters more? Which wire color do you think I'm trying to focus your attention on? Be honest. Cutting blue, yellow, and green wires willy nilly isn't the smartest way to defuse that bomb, but hey, "red wires matter" so why not?

It's like you read what I post and then post some completely random nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Let me try and explain it to you. You said, and I quote, "trying to spread the message that 'our lives matter more than yours' simply galvanizes the opposition and provides easy fodder for people who question the black community about their own actions in killing members of the the black community."

The entire message of this group is that "black lives matter" which implies that as things stand right now in this country they feel that black lives don't matter. It assumes nothing about other races lives and their worth. The fact that you keep trying to twist it around and apply meaning that isn't there doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like an idiot.

 

[HomerJS]

"All lives matter" is an inclusive meme for ALL those affected by unarmed police shootings....a majority of which happens to involve white victims btw. "Black lives matter" trivializes the issues for whites, browns and everybody else affected. If you truly want to help solve a problem that affects all races, the last thing you need to do is to frame the problem in a racially divisive manner.

Its being phrased in the context of reality. When the Declaration of Independence said "all men are created equal" it wasn't reality at the time. In todays world black lives are valued less therefore emphasis is required to point this out.

 

[werepossum]

How? Because I said so. Doesn't help you choose which one to cut. For all we know it could be that little grey fucker off to the side. Basically, focusing in on one color wire diverts the attention away from the bigger problem. Diffusing a bomb. In that case, all wires are suspect and they all matter.

lol I see what you did there. Nice!

Of course black lives matter! People must be alive to vote for you right?

😀 Not in Chicago.

Actually that is kind of a good point. Cops kill whites all the time. I think this really should be framed as a cop issue rather than a race issue. The absolute worst disgrace was when the cops beat a homeless white man to death in LA (I think) while he begged for mercy (Kelly Thomas).

In my home city of Milwaukee, over 50% of all black males have spent time in jail/prison, (this rises to 66% in the poorest districts). These are the kind of stats that hollow out and destroy societies. I do not know why it is so horrible (possibly lack of jobs/kids having kids) and I have no idea what can be done to rectify the situation.

I will say this, I can tell which of my son's black friends are going to succeed and which are destined for destruction. So far the majority of them are making bad decisions and getting into drugs/alcohol (at age 14). These are kids that are given the chance to attend a high end school district because of Chapter 220 and they are still blowing it! The worst part is that they ACTIVELY and AGGRESIVELY bully resident teens into taking drugs/alcohol. I am taking steps to remove them from the list of people accepted in my home.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...sin-prisons-incarcerate-most-black-men-in-u-s

Well said.

 

[Rakehellion]

So now you're claiming that Black Lives Matter is about all racism everywhere by everyone?

Damn, not only have the goalposts moved, the entire fucking stadium was picked up and plopped down across the ocean.

Are you not smart enough to debate without creating ridiculous strawman arguments?

 

[Rakehellion]

Um, no. "All Lives Matter" is an attempt to be inclusive and not appear as though ONLY black lives matter, which is important if one wants voters of every skin tone to vote for one.

No, that isn't what it is at all. It's a passive-aggressive attempt at co-opting a movement that some people feel is unnecessary.

And Black Lives Matter isn't something you vote for, it's intended to draw attention to a major problem faced nationally.

 

[werepossum]

No, that isn't what it is at all. It's a passive-aggressive attempt at co-opting a movement that some people feel is unnecessary.

And Black Lives Matter isn't something you vote for, it's intended to draw attention to a major problem faced nationally.

These are politicians; they are attempting to gain more votes without losing any of the votes they already have. This is why they so often say "all lives matter", because "black lives matter" implies that only black lives matter. Otherwise there is no point in adding the "black" qualifier.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

These are politicians; they are attempting to gain more votes without losing any of the votes they already have. This is why they so often say "all lives matter", because "black lives matter" implies that only black lives matter. Otherwise there is no point in adding the "black" qualifier.

At this point, there's no point in a politician coming within 300 miles of any three word phrase that ends with "lives matter." Look at how toxic it is. Conservatives are pissed that it isn't inclusive. Black people are pissed because they feel like people are co-opting their movement. Liberals are pissed because they see that everyone else is pissed and they want to fit in. It's been a complete clusterfuck every single time a politician says it. Any politician with brains is shelving that one forever.

 

[Rakehellion]

These are politicians; they are attempting to gain more votes without losing any of the votes they already have. This is why they so often say "all lives matter", because "black lives matter" implies that only black lives matter. Otherwise there is no point in adding the "black" qualifier.

There are a million different ways to say you care about people. The phrase "All Lives Matter" is a slap in the face to much of the black community.

 

[Rakehellion]

At this point, there's no point in a politician coming within 300 miles of any three word phrase that ends with "lives matter." Look at how toxic it is.

Exactly.

And then there's the shitstorm Obama and Bill De Blasio got for even mentioning police violence.

 

[Jaskalas]

At this point, there's no point in a politician coming within 300 miles of any three word phrase that ends with "lives matter." Look at how toxic it is. Conservatives are pissed that it isn't inclusive. Black people are pissed because they feel like people are co-opting their movement. Liberals are pissed because they see that everyone else is pissed and they want to fit in. It's been a complete clusterfuck every single time a politician says it. Any politician with brains is shelving that one forever.

A politician with brains would say #alllivesmatter and go after police reform.
Isn't that what the protestors want?

 

[JockoJohnson]

This whole thread consists of a bunch of racist circle-jerking strawmen. Does that about cover it?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Montel seems to think it was wrong to shout down O'Malley

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mat...williams-blasts-black-lives-matter-protesters

On Monday's CNN Tonight, Montel Williams targeted the activists who recently shouted down former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley at the left-wing Netroots Nation conference for his "all lives matter" remark: "I'm sick of the fact that we now have to think that this term only belongs to one community. You know, lives matter in America. Black lives definitely matter. But every life in this country matters – especially the lives of the soldiers who put their life on the line every day to defend this democracy."

 

[Rakehellion]

This whole forum consists of a bunch of racist circle-jerking strawmen. Does that about cover it?

Fixed.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Its being phrased in the context of reality. When the Declaration of Independence said "all men are created equal" it wasn't reality at the time. In todays world black lives are valued less therefore emphasis is required to point this out.

TWO problems....one racial, one not. The point is that blacks don't have "exclusive victim rights" to the problem of police shooting unarmed people...and should not be offended by using a meme which is all inclusive as the issue transcends racial boundaries...they need to share the "victim card" on this one.

 

[werepossum]

At this point, there's no point in a politician coming within 300 miles of any three word phrase that ends with "lives matter." Look at how toxic it is. Conservatives are pissed that it isn't inclusive. Black people are pissed because they feel like people are co-opting their movement. Liberals are pissed because they see that everyone else is pissed and they want to fit in. It's been a complete clusterfuck every single time a politician says it. Any politician with brains is shelving that one forever.

lol Agreed, that's probably what is going to happen the majority of the time. Although Democrats are still going to be using "black lives matter" because black votes go so heavily Democrat, so it's worth a risk to court them - as long as one thinks no one else will hear.

And I don't think conservatives are pissed so much as amused.

Montel seems to think it was wrong to shout down O'Malley

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mat...williams-blasts-black-lives-matter-protesters

Good for Montel, that was beautifully said.

There are a million different ways to say you care about people. The phrase "All Lives Matter" is a slap in the face to much of the black community.

There may be a million different ways to say you care about people, but apparently only one way is approved. Every other way will be shouted down and the race card trotted out.

 

[JockoJohnson]

TWO problems....one racial, one not. The point is that blacks don't have "exclusive victim rights" to the problem of police shooting unarmed people...and should not be offended by using a meme which is all inclusive as the issue transcends racial boundaries...they need to share the "victim card" on this one.

No sharing, that is just stupid. Then it will be out of Al Sharpton's and Jessie Jackson's hands. The media won't be able to sensationalize it as much either. It is rather boring when unarmed white people get shot by cops.

 

[Rakehellion]

There may be a million different ways to say you care about people, but apparently only one way is approved. Every other way will be shouted down and the race card trotted out.

Straw man. The only way that isn't approved is the one that was created specifically as an insult.

 

[Rakehellion]

Montel seems to think it was wrong to shout down O'Malley

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mat...williams-blasts-black-lives-matter-protesters

That is so fucking moronic.

Black lives definitely matter. But every life in this country matters – especially the lives of the soldiers who put their life on the line every day to defend this democracy."

He actually shoehorned "the soldiers" into his bullshitstorm.

 

[CitizenKain]

No sharing, that is just stupid. Then it will be out of Al Sharpton's and Jessie Jackson's hands. The media won't be able to sensationalize it as much either. It is rather boring when unarmed white people get shot by cops.

I wish knew why you rightwingers had such a hatred of Sharpton and Jackson, besides them being "uppity."

Or why its so difficult to understand that people don't like their movement being co-opted.