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All lives matter BOOED! Only black lives matter.

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Atomic Playboy said:
Not if whitey wants to make things all about himself, no... I mean, would you? If you're doing a collection at work to pay for a retirement gift and someone jumps in and says, "also, we're going to get me a new chair," you'd tell that person to fuck off. This isn't about whitey; why is that so difficult for whitey to grasp?
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So all lives matter is now code for white lives matter. I find that claim dubious, especially when we are talking about it coming from a liberal.

I thought liberal progressives were about inclusive things and bringing people together, no? So it's ok to segregate, except when it isn't?
 
xBiffx said:
OK, so if cops have a history of racial tensions, which is more likely to happen?

1. Cops with racial tensions start not shooting as many black people.
2. Cops in general stop shooting innocent people.

If anything, bringing the issue back to mainstream is going to be much more beneficial to helping end the root cause of the issue which is cops shooting people. By turning into a race baiting issue, you loose a lot of interest, especially with those with whose behavior you are trying to change, if cops are in fact having racial tensions, as you say.
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The root cause is not the shootings though. The shootings are indicative that the cops are seeing people as threats, not civilians whose interests they've been hired to serve. The root cause is the police mentality towards the citizens they're ostensibly serving; that's what needs to change. Yes, it would be nice if the cops would stop shooting people, but if they still harass them, detain them for no reason and abuse their position of authority, it's something of a hollow victory.
 
xBiffx said:
So all lives matter is now code for white lives matter. I find that claim dubious, especially when we are talking about it coming from a liberal.

I thought liberal progressives were about inclusive things and bringing people together, no? So it's ok to segregate, except when it isn't?
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You are daft yeah? The statement was loaded before this liberal said it. You are so stupid.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
The root cause is not the shootings though. The shootings are indicative that the cops are seeing people as threats, not civilians whose interests they've been hired to serve. The root cause is the police mentality towards the citizens they're ostensibly serving; that's what needs to change. Yes, it would be nice if the cops would stop shooting people, but if they still harass them, detain them for no reason and abuse their position of authority, it's something of a hollow victory.
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Ok, I'll agree with you on the root cause being cops seeing people as threats. However, nowhere in your post do you mention color so I think its safe to assume that you agree that all lives do matter. So again, why is saying that a bad thing?

If you are trying to eliminate cops seeing people as threats, why limit it to only certain color people? Is the solution to get them to think that everyone but black people are threats? Rhetorical question, btw.
 
Although, in total numbers, more whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings...when you compare death rates...blacks are about three times more likely than whites to die in a confrontation with police.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Not if whitey wants to make things all about himself, no... I mean, would you? If you're doing a collection at work to pay for a retirement gift and someone jumps in and says, "also, we're going to get me a new chair," you'd tell that person to fuck off. This isn't about whitey; why is that so difficult for whitey to grasp?
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Your analogy sucks. If there were two people retiring and the person collecting for the gift was only collecting for one of them and said "fuck that other guy, he's white", that would be pretty shitty.

Reducing violence by cops helps everyone. Reducing violence by cops done to blacks only helps a few people.

So do blacks want white people to keep getting shot? Why are they so racist?
 
JSt0rm said:
U fucking dumb if u don't think the context of the stement has been changed and therefore the response from the crowd was what it was.
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The crowd boo'ed way before the all lives matter line was said. Namely when he said white lives matter. You sir, are the dumb one.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Because unarmed white people aren't being killed by the police. Why on Earth would a movement specifically dedicated to the high number of unarmed minorities being killed by police seek to include white people who aren't being victimized by the police to anything approaching the same degree? Is it literally just about including everyone in your movement so no one feels left out? Talk about political correctness run amok; can't even have a movement without including everybody!
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Wut? Of course unarmed white people are being killed by the police. Maybe not as often statistically, but if that's your issue, please change the chant to "Black lives matter when they have statistically higher rates of death." Considering that the vast majority of black people killed are killed by other black people, that is still more politically useful than the more honest "Black lives matter when they are taken by someone of another race".

Rakehellion said:
Because "All Lives Matter" was only created as a direct insult to the Black Lives Matter movement.
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Um, no. "All Lives Matter" is an attempt to be inclusive and not appear as though ONLY black lives matter, which is important if one wants voters of every skin tone to vote for one.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Not if whitey wants to make things all about himself, no... I mean, would you? If you're doing a collection at work to pay for a retirement gift and someone jumps in and says, "also, we're going to get me a new chair," you'd tell that person to fuck off. This isn't about whitey; why is that so difficult for whitey to grasp?
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Isn't that what blacks really want by being offended by the statement "all lives matter"...that they want to make these things all about themselves even though more whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Although, in total numbers, more whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings...when you compare death rates...blacks are about three times more likely than whites to die in a confrontation with police.
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Agreed. However, each person has exactly one life, not one share of a statistical group life.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Because unarmed white people aren't being killed by the police. Why on Earth would a movement specifically dedicated to the high number of unarmed minorities being killed by police seek to include white people who aren't being victimized by the police to anything approaching the same degree? Is it literally just about including everyone in your movement so no one feels left out? Talk about political correctness run amok; can't even have a movement without including everybody!
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2436383&highlight=michigan
 
BoberFett said:
Stupid people like you will be responsible for applying the wrong solution.

Problem: Cops are trigger happy.

Solution A from the "Black Lives Matter" crowd: Treat black people the same as white people.

Solution B from the "All Lives Matter" crowd: Stop shooting so many people.

Do you realize that Solution A will still have cops shooting black people? The cops shoot white people too, despite what Atomic Playboy seems to falsely believe.

In order to reduce unnecessary police violence you're going to need to address Solution B anyway. So all you've done is prolonged the problem by focusing on the wrong symptom.

Congratulations "liberals" on failing at logic. The party of facts and science, LOL.
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Well said.

eskimospy said:
Your logic is terrible. You have these problems:

1. Cops are shooting too many people.
2. Cops are disproportionately shooting black people.

The answer isn't to solve #1 so that fewer black people are being shot, the answer is to solve BOTH so both fewer people are being shot and that among those who are being shot certain communities aren't being targeted disproportionately.

Even leaving aside that within the 'stop shooting so many black people' movement is the 'stop shooting so many people' movement, the idea that we sacrifice one for the other is nonsensical.
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Speaking of stupid logic, how do you possibly get the idea that "black lives matter" includes all people but "all lives matter" doesn't include black people?
 
xBiffx said:
Ok, I'll agree with you on the root cause being cops seeing people as threats. However, nowhere in your post do you mention color so I think its safe to assume that you agree that all lives do matter. So again, why is saying that a bad thing?

If you are trying to eliminate cops seeing people as threats, why limit it to only certain color people? Is the solution to get them to think that everyone but black people are threats? Rhetorical question, btw.
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I'm not big on the "Black lives matter" campaign, personally, in part because I feel that it doesn't really do a good job of promoting inclusion or feeling like something that I, as a white person, could be a part of. But disagreeing with the "inclusiveness" of the movement and going as far as implying that all black people are racist (as some people did early in the thread) is just absurd. It's not my place to try to take over a movement that is by the black community for the black community.

As for eliminating cops seeing people as threats, I think the militarization of police forces has played a big hand in that, and that's something we absolutely need to address. But I don't think you can discount systemic racism, especially in places where you have a majority white police force policing a majority black community. Saying "all lives matter" is inherently discounting racism as a motivating factor behind police abuses, and all that does is allow us to ignore a fundamental cause of the issues that lead to situations like Ferguson. Racism isn't going to go away by pretending that it doesn't exist. So while I may feel like a "stop the militarization of our police forces" movement is something that I personally feel more comfortable getting behind, I understand the need for a "black lives matter" movement at the same time; we can't ignore racism just because it doesn't personally affect us as white people. Attempting to co-opt it just dilutes what the movement is about in the first place, and that helps no one.
 
werepossum said:
Speaking of stupid logic, how do you possibly get the idea that "black lives matter" includes all people but "all lives matter" doesn't include black people?
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These are the same type of person who say that egalitarians are bigots while saying that feminism is for everyone. And then these same feminists who are for everyone will protest forums of males who are concerned about suicide rates of males, despite the fact that males commit suicide at 5x to 10x the rate of females.

Yep, the new left has gone absolutely bonkers.
 
Rakehellion said:
That's an entirely separate issue. Racism is not a problem that starts and ends with police.
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So now you're claiming that Black Lives Matter is about all racism everywhere by everyone?

Damn, not only have the goalposts moved, the entire fucking stadium was picked up and plopped down across the ocean.
 
White lives are extraneous to the conversation. The problem is the bias we have as a society against blacks, therefore, the focus and attention needs 100% to be put on the actual issue. Black lives matter too.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Jesse Jackson has been speaking out against black-on-black crime for decades.
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When it's convenient and he's giving another speech anyway. Can you cite a single instance when he flew across the country to head a protest and get out in front of a demonstration for black on black crime? It's only the white on black crime and promises of news cameras that gets him to show up. When it's just a black kid killed by a black kid it doesn't matter.
 
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