All craft beer bars should have Bud Light on the menu.

[alkemyst]

Oh, I agree with the bolded. And that was what I was initially bitching about until someone tried the "what purpose does Bud Light serve" bullshit.

I don't tend to go to Whole Foods, as the closest one is farther than Dominics (that has turned into a shitty Jewel...). And a lot of places do have a decent craft beer selection, however 9 out of 10 of those are IPAs, with no one to ask for any real help about it. A person who doesn't know is going to try one IPA, hate it, and go back to Bud Light. I have been going to Heinen's and they have a good selection. But, I don't really drink beer anymore, so there's that.

We don't agree much, but I am with you on this.

Lots of dude that even drink Bud make fun of my Mich Ultras. I like them. I know they are more watered down than say the Guinness I like too and definitely my Tequila's, but I drink them to enjoy them over a long haul. I can be drinking mega light beers all night long and keep the night going.

I don't hate the guy that has his "Mad Monk of the Lotus Valley IPA", I just laugh that he feels better than those drinking simple domestics as he sips the fucking thing all night long.

In reality, it doesn't matter to me either way, but goosing their reactions is epic out in a bar.

Meanwhile, they are usually the dude that goes home alone.

 

[Mixolydian]

Now wine snobbery, is elite snobbery at it's best.

No, they're pretty much the same - but from different periods.

Wine snobbery was in the 80-90's.
Beer snobbery is the 2000's-2010's.

We aren't. The fact is many of us (I don't drink Bud Light, but will accept it if that's what's offered) do like some craft beers as well, but we aren't so ANAL to make statements that they are ALL piss or unfiltered water, etc.

We won't go apeshit crazy because our "Summer Peach with a Lemon Twist Ale" is not on tap when it was the #1 Lemon Twist Ale in this month's Beer Queer Gazette.

We won't even go crazy when 'our Bud Light' and only Coors or Miller is offered.

We don't pretend beer should be so stressful.

It's meant to be relaxing and a cheap drink just like how it was established in it's origins.

If we want to get pompous, we turn to wine and other spirits which have the heritage of having to be stored properly for decades or more to add to their value.

I have seen your type of drinker spaz out at even our local places that have 100's of beers on the menu because they don't have that one special one or even worse they have it, but it's on-draft only or not on-draft and what's even worse go around mocking those with a more simple domestic or foreign beer and make speeches on how Bud/Heineken/PBR/Grolsch/etc are worse than bar slop.

It just makes you guys look like bitches and why those of us that get beer just laugh about it all and go on enjoying our Bud Lights.

Holy shit, I actually agree with Alky...word for word. 😵

 

[nageov3t]

I laughed.

I'm a little over this whole "beer bar" thing, though. seems like every new place that opens up is specializing in two hundred different brands of craft micro-brews when all I want is a nice place to have a drunk with friends and be able to talk in comfort.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Right and they all fall into categories like I mentioned.

Alchy, I know you are a smart guy, yet sometimes, you appear to be quite obtuse, and I suspect quite intentionally. Or are you just a stubborn asshole like me?



Ohh ... also ... I do agree about the whole laughing at people who feel like they are superior based upon their drink 🙂

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I laughed.

I'm a little over this whole "beer bar" thing, though. seems like every new place that opens up is specializing in two hundred different brands of craft micro-brews when all I want is a nice place to have a drunk with friends and be able to talk in comfort.

Yeah, if I go to a bar, I prefer get a mixed drink myself. It's a lot more expensive to stock a bunch of liquor than pick up a couple bottles of microbrew. Consequently, I'm going to order the thing I'm less likely to have readily available at home.

 

[KeithTalent]

Yeah, if I go to a bar, I prefer get a mixed drink myself. It's a lot more expensive to stock a bunch of liquor than pick up a couple bottles of microbrew. Consequently, I'm going to order the thing I'm less likely to have readily available at home.

I don't know, I find if I buy a bottle of bourbon at $80 or whatever, that lasts me for months, but I can go through $80 worth of beer in a few weeks.

KT

 

[Ns1]

Yeah, if I go to a bar, I prefer get a mixed drink myself. It's a lot more expensive to stock a bunch of liquor than pick up a couple bottles of microbrew. Consequently, I'm going to order the thing I'm less likely to have readily available at home.

I went to a $$$ restaurant the other day and ordered an old fashioned. What came out was an abomination - light brown color, muddled fruit at the bottom, shitton of crappy ice cubes. It tasted like smokey tap water. We ordered beer from then on out.

NEVER AGAIN am I ordering mixed drinks from a bartender with an unknown reputation.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I don't know, I find if I buy a bottle of bourbon at $80 or whatever, that lasts me for months, but I can go through $80 worth of beer in a few weeks.

KT

Yeah, but if I want a Negroni (for example), I need to pick up a bottle of gin, a bottle of vermouth and a bottle of Campari; call it $60 or so for the ingredients. Now that will last me a while, but I could just nip down to a bar and get one for $7, and then follow it with a Manhattan (which has another $40 in ingredients versus $7 at a bar). And those are basic drinks; what if I want something fancy with St. Germaine or Aperol or Fernet or whatever? I'm not keeping my bar stocked with hundreds of dollars worth of ingredients just so I can experiment... although, come to think of it, I totally should.

Anyway, my point is, you can buy single beers at the store to drink at home; you can't buy a pre-mixed cocktail, so it's a much higher initial cost to be able to drink them at home.

 

[alkemyst]

Alchy, I know you are a smart guy, yet sometimes, you appear to be quite obtuse, and I suspect quite intentionally. Or are you just a stubborn asshole like me?



Ohh ... also ... I do agree about the whole laughing at people who feel like they are superior based upon their drink 🙂

I push the boundary a bit at times for a reaction, I am not just doing the blank-faced trolling so many do here.

I like drinking and in all honesty don't care what someone else is just like I don't care who or what they end up taking home with them 🙂

It's hilarious to me that full grown men debate over beer so seriously and put lines in the sand of what a "REAL" beer is.

We have a lot of trendy places here. I like my local places overlooking the intercoastal/ocean. I show up at one of those Worlds of Beer and order a Mich Ultra and it's like some dude's around me got stabbed in the back.

It's fucking insane.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I went to a $$$ restaurant the other day and ordered an old fashioned. What came out was an abomination - light brown color, muddled fruit at the bottom, shitton of crappy ice cubes. It tasted like smokey tap water. We ordered beer from then on out.

NEVER AGAIN am I ordering mixed drinks from a bartender with an unknown reputation.

I've learned not to order Old Fashioneds in public; everyone makes them the stupid way, with a bunch of muddled fruit and crushed ice. Gin and Tonics are usually safe, regardless of the skill of the bartender.

 

[KeithTalent]

Yeah, but if I want a Negroni (for example), I need to pick up a bottle of gin, a bottle of vermouth and a bottle of Campari; call it $60 or so for the ingredients. Now that will last me a while, but I could just nip down to a bar and get one for $7, and then follow it with a Manhattan (which has another $40 in ingredients versus $7 at a bar). And those are basic drinks; what if I want something fancy with St. Germaine or Aperol or Fernet or whatever? I'm not keeping my bar stocked with hundreds of dollars worth of ingredients just so I can experiment... although, come to think of it, I totally should.

Anyway, my point is, you can buy single beers at the store to drink at home; you can't buy a pre-mixed cocktail, so it's a much higher initial cost to be able to drink them at home.

I'm with you homeslice. It would be nice to have a fully stocked bar at some point so I could just mix whatever for whomever, but yeah, in those cases it is generally easier and cheaper just to go out.

KT

 

[alkemyst]

I went to a $$$ restaurant the other day and ordered an old fashioned. What came out was an abomination - light brown color, muddled fruit at the bottom, shitton of crappy ice cubes. It tasted like smokey tap water. We ordered beer from then on out.

NEVER AGAIN am I ordering mixed drinks from a bartender with an unknown reputation.

Usually you can send the drink back and ask for it the way you want (within reason, you can't make a single shot drink a double without paying extra for that).

My fiancee likes Nutty Irishmen. There is a few ways to make them, she likes the equal parts Frangelico, Bailey's and cream method on the rocks.

At a new place she will tell the server/bartender simply "I'd like a Nutty Irishman on the rocks, Bailey's, Frangelico and Cream)."

Otherwise, you get the above added to coffee, or a coffee with just some Irish whiskey at a lot of bars or worse something that you can't even identify WTF they did to make it.

Some bartenders have even not heard of it.

 

[alkemyst]

I'm with you homeslice. It would be nice to have a fully stocked bar at some point so I could just mix whatever for whomever, but yeah, in those cases it is generally easier and cheaper just to go out.

KT

QFT. We have some staples here, but a fully stocked bar assuming you can make even the top 50 drinks/cocktails is a very large investment of both money and space. Not only for the ingredients but all the glassware.

I try to keep the typical bitters, vodka, rum, whiskey, scotch, and a tequila on hand (probably some other stuff I forget I have) and then a mix of wines that we will usually buy for the event. If not there is usually a Moscato or other sweet wine around.

I usually only have Mich Ultra here, if I have a event happening I will buy a mix of Corona, Heineken, Bud, Miller and ask people to give me recommendations. Many times they just say they will bring their own beer and whatever special spirit they want.

 

[alkemyst]

One of my friends runs a website called BarDude.com

May be relevant to some of your interests.

 

[QueBert]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

 

[poofyhairguy]

It's hilarious to me that full grown men debate over beer so seriously and put lines in the sand of what a "REAL" beer is.

Agreed, and I only drink microbrew beer.

 

[cubby1223]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

Only if you follow it up with Goose Island's Green Line pale ale 😉

 

[BurnItDwn]

Mixed drinks are good too. I like Jagermeister mixed with ice cubes, or french brandy mixed with ice cubes, or sometimes amaretto mixed with ice cubes, though that's a bit on the sweet side (fiancee LOVES it though.) Also, lemoncello mixed with ice cubes is awesome. 🙂

 

[xeemzor]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

Goose Island has gone downhill since the acquisition and 312 is not a great beer. However, they still make great limited edition beer like their bourbon county stout.

 

[BurnItDwn]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

Does it taste good to you still? If it still tastes good, then it's OK to drink. If the taste is bad then probably switch to something different.

Their old Brewmaster left when InBev bought them out, but, overall, I think InBev has done more good than harm in this case. Their distribution has increased, and everything appears as though the recipies weren't hurt/affected by this, thus, allowing Goose Island to thrive. They still do great belgians and stouts, as well as more accessible stuff like the honkers ale and the 312, and I've not had any problems with any of their brews. Give me a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout or Lolita or Matilda any day of the week and I will be a happy man 🙂

 

[cubby1223]

312 is still a good tasting beer now that Anheuser-Busch owns them, but now you have to specify which 312 you want, or you might end up with the new hoppy version 🙂 Because hops is what makes craft beer crafty.

 

[VashHT]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

TBH 312 tastes the same to me now, I don't really care that they've been bought out since I still like their beers for the most part. I have a friend who boycotted them for a while after they were bought and we would mess with him and just bring over goose island just to piss him off.

 

[Colt45]

not sure what's worse.. bud light, or craft beer people.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

A question to beer snobs, if I liked 312 from Goose Island before anhieser Bush started distributing them is it still okay for me to drink it? It's next to bud lite in the stores cooler now.

Nope. It is no longer contributing to a micro brewery, hence... it's not micro? :| Seems simple enough to me.

It's not just Goose Island - plenty others that most don't realize is owned by Busche and Miller.

 

[dougp]

Does it taste good to you still? If it still tastes good, then it's OK to drink. If the taste is bad then probably switch to something different.

Their old Brewmaster left when InBev bought them out, but, overall, I think InBev has done more good than harm in this case. Their distribution has increased, and everything appears as though the recipies weren't hurt/affected by this, thus, allowing Goose Island to thrive. They still do great belgians and stouts, as well as more accessible stuff like the honkers ale and the 312, and I've not had any problems with any of their brews. Give me a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout or Lolita or Matilda any day of the week and I will be a happy man 🙂

I just had a 2009 Allagash Odyssey - without a doubt, one of the best beers I've had.

I just picked up a Prairie Bomb as it's been causing a stir in the beer community down here in Texas. Apparently it's highly rated as well, http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30356/94350/