... no, accidents do in fact happen. It's not as common in the modern age, but there are plenty of sufficiently random events that can occur with firearms, even while using blanks, that can result in injury or death, that aren't necessarily someone's fault. Brandon Lee's is a good example. No reasonable person is going to replace or disassemble a firearm after every blank fired.
The real solution is to switch to pew pew guns.
Yes, they just make a pew pew sound and then add a projectile in post. They can call Raja Koduri. He'll give them a very reasonable special effects plan.
Yes, they just make a pew pew sound and then add a projectile in post. They can call Raja Koduri. He'll give them a very reasonable special effects plan.
purbeast0
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Because he has made fun of Trump multiple times on SNL and his supporters are the biggest snowflakes on the planet.
Duh.
JD50
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Should every actor who's pointed a gun at someone go to jail? That's illegal, I'd go to jail if I pointed a gun at you and you weren't a threat.
One could be firing at a range and have a squib load result in a catastrophic disassembly, the shrapnel from which could injure someone, so may as well make that illegal too.
Lost_in_the_HTTP
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If any one was hurt, yes.
That would be negligence on someone, maybe the range, maybe the gun maker
Maybe it was negligence on whoever got injured for getting in the way of an object at speed?
JD50
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Why does someone have to be hurt? Pointing a gun at someone is a crime right?
MrSquished
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Maybe Taj will volunteer to dress up like the victim with a wig and dress and all, for a re-enactment of the events, of course with non-live gun rounds, or are they? who really knows anymore?
I thought we were in a 'make up stupid shit' competition, figured I'd go for broke.Sadly that sounds like the logic an Israeli soldier would use
Bitek
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It's not. Baldwins protectors want it to be, want to continue to argue for stupid and error prone safety procedures, and the result will be more avoidable deaths like this.
Playing pretend doesn't give you special rights to be foolish, negligent and endanger others needlessly.
Bitek
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She's liable too, and was found guilty. She's not the only one at fault tho. Widespread failure and negligence across this shit show of a production. Everyone involved needs to be held accountable for the dead woman.
Baldwin should be held civilly accountable, yes, but this is very clearly a criminal case that should never have been brought and one I expect him to win easily barring some unforeseen development. It's not a close thing.
Bitek
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The gun they used wasn't a "prop" in the sense it was a replica.
They used an actual, commercially available, working firearm and called it a day.
There was no reason whatsoever to have live ammo on set like that. No one with any good judgment should have wanted to have it around anywhere.
Example: You can easily get "snap caps" that can be made to look like bullets (good enough for the camera) but be just solid, inert metal. These are routinely used for training with working firearms.
You could even have easily manufactured real looking ammo [in the prop department] using actual bullets, and actual brass cases, but no primer and no powder so that they are also inert but also easily distinguishable, but difference hidden from the camera.
Or just epoxy bullets (meaning just the lead projectile) into the revolver cylinder and it's inert...
They didn't bother creating any non-functional replicas. It's like going to cosplay at comic con, but cheating and using an actual firearm and real ammunition. The height of stupidity.
Of course you need competent executives hiring competent staff who create competent procedures, then you train the people handling the firearms on the processes, and have all those above then ensuring procedures are followed. Baldwin failed in two ends here.
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Bitek
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Curious no, that he quickly got out in front in an interview and lied about the gun firing on it's own (bullshit, disproven) and his finger not being on the trigger (it's on film)?
If it's only the armor's job, why not tell the truth instead of easily falsifiable lies on national television?
Consciousness of guilt was talking there.
I don't particularly care if he's punished criminally or civilly, just that he can get away using wealth and fame to avoid responsibility for killing someone.
This hasn't been disproven, actually, and is going to be a very large problem for the prosecution. In examining the gun the FBI destroyed it so there's no way for any adversarial entity to examine it and/or the evidence.
Baldwin did make one significant mistake though, he removed one of the main possible defenses saying he knew it would be reckless to point it at someone and pull the trigger so he can't just say 'I assumed anything the armorer gave me was safe'. Mistake on his part but the case is so weak he's probably still fine.
Baldwin didn't get away with avoiding civil responsibility for her death.
Alec Baldwin settles lawsuit with family of cinematographer killed on 'Rust' set
A live round fired from a gun held by Baldwin fatally wounded Halyna Hutchins last October.
www.nbcnews.com
He will very likely avoid criminal responsibility for it but that's no different than you or me. Honestly, I suspect had he not been famous this case would never have been brought.
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lol you think actors messing with weapons that trained armorers have safed will somehow prevent more deaths than they’ll cause.
No, the only reason to blame Baldwin is for political reasons or asinine ammosexual views on “no true gun owner would have an accident”.
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That's actually surprising. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
What a rollercoaster. Yesterday when it was ruled that Alec's 'blanks can kill' statement could come in, it looked like the defense was on the ropes. And today, a complete reversal in momentum. Not only was the case dismissed, but even the Hannah Gutierrez-Reed conviction is imperiled. Really sloppy work by police, investigators, and the prosecution. Conversely, great work by Spiro and crew.
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