Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

[you2]

Here is a detail article; this whole thing is a cluster oops by prosecutor:

Judge dismisses Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' case after defense claims evidence was withheld

The jury was dismissed for the day in Alec Baldwin's "Rust" manslaughter trial while the court discussed a motion the defense filed to dismiss the case.

abcnews.go.com

 

[emperus]

This was always a really stupid case. The theory behind bringing this was as nutty and dangerous as they come. It's been clear for a while the prosecution had ulterior motives in bringing this. This outcome isn't surprising.

 

[fskimospy]

What a rollercoaster. Yesterday when it was ruled that Alec's 'blanks can kill' statement could come in, it looked like the defense was on the ropes. And today, a complete reversal in momentum. Not only was the case dismissed, but even the Hannah Gutierrez-Reed conviction is imperiled. Really sloppy work by police, investigators, and the prosecution. Conversely, great work by Spiro and crew.

The defense was never on the ropes and this case was dumb from the start. This was entirely expected.

 

[fskimospy]

Case dismissed

Prosecutors accused of holding back evidence

Sorry @imported_tajmahal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811884349727601020

Good point - @imported_tajmahal any ideas about why you were so obviously, comically wrong here?

I mean we tried to tell you.

 

[emperus]

It's not. Baldwins protectors want it to be, want to continue to argue for stupid and error prone safety procedures, and the result will be more avoidable deaths like this.
Playing pretend doesn't give you special rights to be foolish, negligent and endanger others needlessly.

Avoidable deaths like this? How many avoidable deaths like this occur in a year?
There was nothing negligent about what Baldwin did here.

 

[you2]

Avoidable deaths like this? How many avoidable deaths like this occur in a year?
There was nothing negligent about what Baldwin did here.

While not necessarily from a legal perspective; there were several actors that pointed out he should have checked the gun.... as they do as standard procedure. However perhaps Baldwin doesn't handle very many guns in his acting days (no clue i haven't checked his list of films for those that have guns).

Having said that there are very few on set accidental shooting due to prop gun being loaded.
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There is some conflict for while some actors where critical of him for not checking the gun others seem to suggest they wouldn't know if a gun was live or not due to lack of experience with fire arms.

 

[fskimospy]

Gee, who saw this coming other than everyone. What a stupid case to bring.

 

[HurleyBird]

Gee, who saw this coming other than everyone. What a stupid case to bring.

Not a single person predicted a mistrial based on brady violations and it's dishonest to try to spin that as affirming your prediction, as if that was going through your head. Par for the course though.

On the bright side, it seems everyone is able to come together and agree that prosecutorial misconduct should have consequences this time. That's heartening, at least.

 

[MrSquished]

Well who would have thunk it, shitty maga party people tried to hide evidence and got caught. I mean these people just do evil at everything they do

 

[emperus]

While not necessarily from a legal perspective; there were several actors that pointed out he should have checked the gun.... as they do as standard procedure. However perhaps Baldwin doesn't handle very many guns in his acting days (no clue i haven't checked his list of films for those that have guns).

Having said that there are very few on set accidental shooting due to prop gun being loaded.
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There is some conflict for while some actors where critical of him for not checking the gun others seem to suggest they wouldn't know if a gun was live or not due to lack of experience with fire arms.

I don't think checking the gun himself is standard procedure.
He hired and paid someone to check if the gun was loaded. The person told him it wasn't loaded. End of story for me.
I'm sure there was someone somewhere critical of him.

 

[fskimospy]

Not a single person predicted a mistrial based on brady violations and it's dishonest to try to spin that as affirming your prediction, as if that was going through your head. Par for the course though.

On the bright side, it seems everyone is able to come together and agree that prosecutorial misconduct should have consequences this time. That's heartening, at least.

Everyone with a brain knew the outcome.

Not the smartest guy.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Did anyone already bring up the similarities between this and what happened to Brandon Lee? Who was charged when he was killed?

I heard Hunter Biden did it after he killed Vince Foster. Well, Hilary superglued the gun in his hand then pulled the trigger. That's also the gun that he was throwing in the trash, so he was trying to destroy evidence of murder! Also, apparently, according to some dumb Republican woman, his dick had something to do with it so she really wanted people to see his dick?

 

[Paratus]

While not necessarily from a legal perspective; there were several actors that pointed out he should have checked the gun.... as they do as standard procedure. However perhaps Baldwin doesn't handle very many guns in his acting days (no clue i haven't checked his list of films for those that have guns).

Having said that there are very few on set accidental shooting due to prop gun being loaded.
--
There is some conflict for while some actors where critical of him for not checking the gun others seem to suggest they wouldn't know if a gun was live or not due to lack of experience with fire arms.

With revolvers they have to use dummy rounds that have bullets and casings but no powder or it will be obvious they are fake.

Expecting an actor to be able to tell the difference between a dummy round and a real round isn’t feasible.

 

[fskimospy]

Not a single person predicted a mistrial based on brady violations and it's dishonest to try to spin that as affirming your prediction, as if that was going through your head. Par for the course though.

On the bright side, it seems everyone is able to come together and agree that prosecutorial misconduct should have consequences this time. That's heartening, at least.

However him not being convicted was always obvious from the beginning, genius.

 

[Lanyap]

It was a crappy investigation by the authorities. They never did find out who brought the live rounds on set and I never did hear anything about them checking for fingerprints on the live rounds. It looks like they had three guns available to use for the scene (from wiki).

Later that day, the cast and crew were rehearsing a gunfight scene taking place inside of a church at the Bonanza Creek Ranch. Firearms and ammunition were retrieved from a locked safe and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed placed three guns to be used in filming on a cart.[16] Among them were a plastic gun that could not shoot live ammunition, a modified weapon that could not fire any type of ammunition, and a solid-frame .45 Colt revolver replica made by Pietta.[16][39][40][41]

There were several videos presented in the armorer trial that showed the chaotic activity behind the scenes involving firearms. I didn't see any actors checking firearms they were handed. They relied on the armorer to make sure everything was properly handled. I can't see all actors everywhere all the time stopping to unload all firearms they are handed for a scene and verify the type of round in the gun they were handed. Most actors would not know the difference between a live round and blank round.

Fellow armorer testifies in trial of 'Rust' armorer

In the trial of "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the first witness on the stand Thursday was another armorer.

www.kob.com

 

[you2]

I had not followed the case very closely but this article indicates the prosecutor repeatedly withheld evidence from the defense team was well as sloppy work by the investigators. Not sure if this was intentional or just how things are done in New Mexico:

How Alec Baldwin’s Defense Set the ‘Rust’ Actor Free: ‘It Was Incredible Lawyering’

SANTA FE, N.M. — Alec Baldwin’s lawyers have been complaining for months that prosecutors were not sharing all the evidence against him in his manslaughter case. They complained about missing forensics reports. They complained about redacted emails. They complained about videos buried on...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Jaskalas]

I had not followed the case very closely but this article indicates the prosecutor repeatedly withheld evidence from the defense team was well as sloppy work by the investigators. Not sure if this was intentional or just how things are done in New Mexico:

I might suspect such malice is just how things are done in New Mexico.
Big boy MAGAs just wanted to bury a known liberal, and abuse the law to do it.

 

[Lanyap]

Interesting background on the lead special prosecutor who was chosen by a judge.

Actor-producer Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed are facing involuntary manslaughter charges related to the October 2021 shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. The two new faces leading the prosecution against Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed are private attorneys Kari T. Morrissey and Jason J. Lewis. They were chosen by the First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies.

Morrissey is an Albuquerque-based private attorney who has been practicing for 22 years, according to a public relations firm working with the prosecutors. Morrissey received her bachelor’s degree from the University of New Mexico (UNM) and her J.D. from UNM’s law school.

Morrissey’s main focus has been criminal defense and civil rights-related cases, and she has experience from hundreds of trials. She also has experience teaching law at both the University of New Mexico and in continuing education settings.

Who is Kari Morrissey, the special prosecutor in Alec Baldwin’s involuntary manslaughter trial?

The involuntary manslaughter trial of Alec Baldwin has begun. Meet Kari Morrissey, the special prosecutor from New Mexico bringing the case.

en.as.com

 

[UNCjigga]

This is one of those rare times when I believe both sides of this argument have some merit.

Yes, this case was troubled from the start, for various reasons, but chief amongst them (IMHO) was the inability to convince any reasonable jury of mens rea with Baldwin. Nevermind all the withholding evidence crap—I’m surprised a prosecutor even bothered to stake their career on a case like this (unless they plan on running for public office in MAGA country on “I stood up to big Hollywood”).

But, I also think the way this case was dismissed with prejudice (within 48 hours of the start of trial) is only something that could happen for those with the deepest pockets. I agree with the sentiment that New Mexico prosecutors are likely used to railroading “the little guy” and aren’t used to facing a Baldwin brother.

 

[you2]

This is one of those rare times when I believe both sides of this argument have some merit.

Yes, this case was troubled from the start, for various reasons, but chief amongst them (IMHO) was the inability to convince any reasonable jury of mens rea with Baldwin. Nevermind all the withholding evidence crap—I’m surprised a prosecutor even bothered to stake their career on a case like this (unless they plan on running for public office in MAGA country on “I stood up to big Hollywood”).

But, I also think the way this case was dismissed with prejudice (within 48 hours of the start of trial) is only something that could happen for those with the deepest pockets. I agree with the sentiment that New Mexico prosecutors are likely used to railroading “the little guy” and aren’t used to facing a Baldwin brother.

Well; the withholding evidence though-out the process is just plain illegal. If they do this with all their victims; er cases then there is a real problem that needs to be fixed. There is no reasonable reason for the prosecutor to hide or withhold evidence. That is criminal prosecution 101.

 

[fskimospy]

Not a single person predicted a mistrial based on brady violations and it's dishonest to try to spin that as affirming your prediction, as if that was going through your head. Par for the course though.

On the bright side, it seems everyone is able to come together and agree that prosecutorial misconduct should have consequences this time. That's heartening, at least.

Also I think this is pretty funny that you said I was dishonest for saying my prediction was affirmed when the reason the case was dismissed is that the case was so weak it was dismissed before my prediction could even come true.

 

[Lanyap]

More enlightening video from the armorer trial with an expert witness explaining/critiquing weapon handling on the set.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Also I think this is pretty funny that you said I was dishonest for saying my prediction was affirmed when the reason the case was dismissed is that the case was so weak it was dismissed before my prediction could even come true.

No, it was dismissed with prejudice because of prosecutorial misconduct. The facts are that Alec Baldwin killed Halyna Hutchins because of mistakes made on the set that he was responsible for. It's not as if we haven't been seeing a lot of prosecutorial misconduct lately.

 

[fskimospy]

No, it was dismissed with prejudice because of prosecutorial misconduct. The facts are that Alec Baldwin killed Halyna Hutchins because of mistakes made on the set that he was responsible for. It's not as if we haven't been seeing a lot of prosecutorial misconduct lately.

It’s funny that you’re justifying your hilariously wrong opinion because the case was so bad it got dismissed even before the other losing parts.

Look, you said something stupid because you were wishcasting. Just own it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Just point out where you thought the case would be dismissed because of prosecutorial misconduct by concealing evidence. I won't wait, but i'll check back in a few weeks or months.