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Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

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imported_tajmahal said:
Baldwin is guilty in my opinion. Will he be found guilty by a jury? I have no idea, but as with all others accused of a crime, he is going to be punished by the process. Sorry if my being honest offends you. Hmmm............ actually not sorry for offending you with the truth.
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I just think your monomaniacal stance, that is transparently driven purely by unrelated political partisanship, is a bit embarrassing for you. Seems to suggest you lack self-awareness of your own motives.

Me, I don't hugely care if he's found guilty or not (don't particularly like the guy or even his particular politics), though the case looks _extremely_ murky and consequently weak, so if I suspect he won't be. Would rather see stronger, and better-enforced, health-and-safety laws, along with stronger unions to stick up for them.
 
Just an update. It looks as though Baldwin was actively careless and negligent with a firearm on more than one occasion on the set of Rust. No surprise to me.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Alec Baldwin seen firing his gun on set of Rust

Footage broadcast in court Thursday showed the actor discharging a large prop weapon during the 2021 shoot, which was halted by the killing of Halyna Hutchins that year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Just an update. It looks as though Baldwin was actively careless and negligent with a firearm on more than one occasion on the set of Rust. No surprise to me.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Alec Baldwin seen firing his gun on set of Rust

Footage broadcast in court Thursday showed the actor discharging a large prop weapon during the 2021 shoot, which was halted by the killing of Halyna Hutchins that year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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You’re going to be so sad when the incredibly obvious result happens. It will be very funny to me.
 
They trusted this person to keep safe props on set.
Something tells me they should have at least hired one other to dbl check. Given the consequences of when you don't, and the first armorer fails to do their job.
 
Jaskalas said:
They trusted this person to keep safe props on set.
Something tells me they should have at least hired one other to dbl check. Given the consequences of when you don't, and the first armorer fails to do their job.
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If I remember correctly there should be three doing essentially what you said.
At least there should be three as a best practice.
 
HomerJS said:
Question from someone who doesn't know a lot about guns.

Why can they make firearms with barrels a slightly smaller caliber for movies so live rounds don't fit?
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Probably do however let’s remember this is obviously a low budget movie, obvious safety measures were skipped.
I bet the small barrel gun costs more and they’d skip it.
 
HomerJS said:
Question from someone who doesn't know a lot about guns.

Why can they make firearms with barrels a slightly smaller caliber for movies so live rounds don't fit?
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Depending on the gun in question, that sounds like a terrible idea with the malfunction directed backwards towards the "shooter".
 
HomerJS said:
Question from someone who doesn't know a lot about guns.

Why can they make firearms with barrels a slightly smaller caliber for movies so live rounds don't fit?
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Probably, but then blanks won't fit either. That's fine if it's just a prop, but there's a hundred ways to make a pure, non firing prop look like a real gun while not being one.

Blank-only guns aren't a thing since they'd cost a lot and blanks for relevant calibers are cheap.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Probably, but then blanks won't fit either. That's fine if it's just a prop, but there's a hundred ways to make a pure, non firing prop look like a real gun while not being one.

Blank-only guns aren't a thing since they'd cost a lot and blanks for relevant calibers are cheap.
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So this lady's life and Brandon Lee's life are not worth the cost of making live rounds NOT fit? You only have to fix the guns that get "fired" at people on set.
That's a lame argument.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
18 months.

abcnews.go.com

New Mexico judge sentences “Rust” movie armorer to 18 months in prison for fatal on-set shooting by Alec Baldwin

New Mexico judge sentences “Rust” movie armorer to 18 months in prison for fatal on-set shooting by Alec Baldwin
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Yer Up Alex!
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She should absolutely go to prison and I think just about everyone agreed on that from the start. I would be very surprised if anything happens to Alec Baldwin.

I think while he's a fun actor he's by all accounts a horrible human being, but we're not going to convict people of criminal negligence for assuming a firearm was not dangerous when the people on set tasked with determining that told him so.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Did he point a weapon at a person?

Was that person harmed?

If you answered Yes, to both question, he can ONLY be guilty.
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That is a laughably wrong description of the law.

Like, I don't know where you heard this but this is not even remotely how the real world works.

If you think you're correct then by all means explain why Michael Massee was never convicted of anything.
 
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So this lady's life and Brandon Lee's life are not worth the cost of making live rounds NOT fit? You only have to fix the guns that get "fired" at people on set.
That's a lame argument.
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It's the "bigger idiot" problem in safety engineering/design. There are already things that were violated that day, by the credentialed professional who was supposed to ensure wouldn't happen. e.g. Unsecured live ammo floating around on the set, or being handled the same day that 'mock' firing would occur, nobody really accounting for the live rounds. If someone can 'mix up' or 'confuse' these basics, some one else can 'mix up' or 'confuse' the rounds they have brought to the set.
 
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fskimospy said:
She should absolutely go to prison and I think just about everyone agreed on that from the start. I would be very surprised if anything happens to Alec Baldwin.

I think while he's a fun actor he's by all accounts a horrible human being, but we're not going to convict people of criminal negligence for assuming a firearm was not dangerous when the people on set tasked with determining that told him so.
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I doubt he'll be found guilty as an actor, but I think he may be found guilty as a producer if he was in any way in charge of the armorer and/or responsible for the terrible protocols on set regarding firearms.
 
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