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Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

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UNCjigga said:
Pretty sure that is not the same person who yelled "cold gun" when handing the weapon to Baldwin.

www.theguardian.com

Rust assistant director who gave Alec Baldwin gun ‘was subject of 2019 safety complaint’

Prop maker Maggie Goll says she raised complaints about Dave Halls in TV series Into the Dark but that issue is ‘in no way one person’s fault’
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Sounds like there were multiple points of failure here, not sure who will held criminally liable but you bet your ass the producers/executives behind the hiring decisions bear some financial liability for wrongful death--and that may include Baldwin.
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"A search warrant released Friday said that Gutierrez-Reed (the armorer) laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and first assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Alec Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds.

'Cold gun!' shouted Halls before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal to cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene, the warrant said. "

www.dailymail.co.uk

Careless armorer gave gun to child on Alec Baldwin Rust set

Sources claim Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, had a history of reckless behavior around weapons and was 'a bit careless with guns'. She reportedly gave a gun to a child actress without checking it.
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I wouldn't give Hannah Reed ANY job based on the pics of her floating around. She looks like a brat who doesn't let go of any chance to show off. Why would anyone entrust an unprofessional looking person like her with a responsibility as critical as gun handling?
 
igor_kavinski said:
That's a topic that deserves its own thread. Unless someone is unusually gifted, talented and skilled, most companies factor appearance as part of the hiring equation.
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Appearance when you turn up for the interview, or when in the office is one thing. It's quite another thing to pass judgement on the basis of appearance in photographs that are entirely unrelated to work. Seems as if you are endorsing sexist judgements - is your complaint that she wasn't dressed sufficiently 'modestly'?

Plus we are talking the movie business - it's not exactly known for the formal attire and conservative dress of those who work in it.

The reports do sound as if this the blame is starting to be pointed towards this person...it might be justified, but I really hope any such verdict is based on accurate factual evidence, not these sort of dodgy sexist judgements.
 
skyking said:
Accidents are usually the result of more than one failure and this one is egregious in the multiple failures of safety protocol.
Keep in mind the original armorer walked off, so he will get a pass when THAT guy was the one the let all the shit in Taj's post come to pass, before the accident day.
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thought Hannah Reed was the orig armorer?

if not, link to the orig armorer walking off the set?
and name?
 
pmv said:
Appearance when you turn up for the interview, or when in the office is one thing. It's quite another thing to pass judgement on the basis of appearance in photographs that are entirely unrelated to work. Seems as if you are endorsing sexist judgements - is your complaint that she wasn't dressed sufficiently 'modestly'?

Plus we are talking the movie business - it's not exactly known for the formal attire and conservative dress of those who work in it.

The reports do sound as if this the blame is starting to be pointed towards this person...it might be justified, but I really hope any such verdict is based on accurate factual evidence, not these sort of dodgy sexist judgements.
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My comment had nothing to do with sexism. I would have said the same thing if she were a guy. Her face and particularly face expression doesn't give me confidence to let her be anywhere near a gun. Her face gives off a stoner vibe.
 
igor_kavinski said:
My comment had nothing to do with sexism. I would have said the same thing if she were a guy. Her face and particularly face expression doesn't give me confidence to let her be anywhere near a gun. Her face gives off a stoner vibe.
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Nope. That's as much of a misogynistic/sexist comment as you get. Judging her based on her looks and not her actual skill or experience. You sound like a real judgmental POS.
 
Until a lot more is known it's just a lot of guessing on our part. It certainly is tragic, and of course the result of someone's negligence regardless somewhere along the line. I expect that a movie set is quite different from a shooting range, where a certain level of experience is required. For all we know Baldwin may know absolutely nothing about operating a firearm other than being handed them during movie making and assuming they are ready to go. That may be the norm, which implies that the on hand "experts" are responsible for ensuring the safety of the props.

If indeed the prop manager did not follow protocol for ensuring the firearm was safe to use that is on them. It would be common sense one would think for an actor to at least know enough to check a firearm quickly before using it, but in that culture perhaps things are viewed as props only, with no expectation that it would actually have a real round in it. Either way using an actual firearm that can fire live ammunition and not having everyone involved at least knowledgeable enough to safely handle it is enough cause for future remedies and certainly some actions to ensure it does not happen again without willful negligence.

This appears to be a case of where cutting costs and corners ends up costing a lot more in the long run.
 
nOOky said:
Until a lot more is known it's just a lot of guessing on our part. It certainly is tragic, and of course the result of someone's negligence regardless somewhere along the line. I expect that a movie set is quite different from a shooting range, where a certain level of experience is required. For all we know Baldwin may know absolutely nothing about operating a firearm other than being handed them during movie making and assuming they are ready to go. That may be the norm, which implies that the on hand "experts" are responsible for ensuring the safety of the props.

If indeed the prop manager did not follow protocol for ensuring the firearm was safe to use that is on them. It would be common sense one would think for an actor to at least know enough to check a firearm quickly before using it, but in that culture perhaps things are viewed as props only, with no expectation that it would actually have a real round in it. Either way using an actual firearm that can fire live ammunition and not having everyone involved at least knowledgeable enough to safely handle it is enough cause for future remedies and certainly some actions to ensure it does not happen again without willful negligence.

This appears to be a case of where cutting costs and corners ends up costing a lot more in the long run.
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In movies it is often part of the job to handle guns in what would otherwise be a wildly unsafe manner, which is of course why you have all these people whose sole job is to make sure the guns being used are safe.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
My comment had nothing to do with sexism. I would have said the same thing if she were a guy. Her face and particularly face expression doesn't give me confidence to let her be anywhere near a gun. Her face gives off a stoner vibe.
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Bullshit that you’d have said the same shit for a guy vs. this woman. We recognize you.
 
nOOky said:
Until a lot more is known it's just a lot of guessing on our part. It certainly is tragic, and of course the result of someone's negligence regardless somewhere along the line. I expect that a movie set is quite different from a shooting range, where a certain level of experience is required. For all we know Baldwin may know absolutely nothing about operating a firearm other than being handed them during movie making and assuming they are ready to go. That may be the norm, which implies that the on hand "experts" are responsible for ensuring the safety of the props.

If indeed the prop manager did not follow protocol for ensuring the firearm was safe to use that is on them. It would be common sense one would think for an actor to at least know enough to check a firearm quickly before using it, but in that culture perhaps things are viewed as props only, with no expectation that it would actually have a real round in it. Either way using an actual firearm that can fire live ammunition and not having everyone involved at least knowledgeable enough to safely handle it is enough cause for future remedies and certainly some actions to ensure it does not happen again without willful negligence.

This appears to be a case of where cutting costs and corners ends up costing a lot more in the long run.
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Will Smith showing good prop gun safety.
 
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