Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

[imported_tajmahal]

As one of the producers they hire people to handle props, was he supposed to personally go around before each scene was filmed and personally check every prop for safety?.

Only if he cared about the safety of the cast and crew on his set. So naaahhh.........

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Alec Baldwin ignored the No. 1 rule of gun safety: Hollywood weapons expert

Alec Baldwin failed to follow the No. 1 rule of gun safety before the fatal shooting on the set of “Rust,” a Hollywood weapons expert tells The Post.

nypost.com

"You never let the muzzle of a weapon cover something you don’t intend to destroy,” said Carpenter, whose New Orleans-based firm has worked on the sets of scores of TV and film productions. “All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.”


You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. If a firearm has to be pointed at a camera for a shot the camera person runs it remotely.

 

[HomerJS]

Not as an actor he isn't. Now as a producer, he is responsible in part for EVERYTHING on the set including the real qualified crew walking off.
I tend to agree with @tweaker2 , he bears that responsibility.

Back to the question of safety, why was there live ammo present anywhere on the property? That should have been dealt with weeks ago. There is no excuse for that.

The way it is starting to look...

The armourer is responsible for the accident.
The producer is responsible for hiring the armourer.

Unless there was a reason to think the armourer wasn't fully qualified they should get 90% of the blame.

If there was a reason to believe the armourer wasn't fully qualified then the majority of blame goes to the producer.

 

[HomerJS]

Only if he cared about the safety of the cast and crew on his set. So naaahhh.........

I see for this is all about dissing Alec Baldwin and not about gun safety or the person killed on the set.

Why should we be surprised. The only reason you give a shit about this story.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The way it is starting to look...

The armourer is responsible for the accident.
The producer is responsible for hiring the armourer.

Unless there was a reason to think the armourer wasn't fully qualified they should get 90% of the blame.

If there was a reason to believe the armourer wasn't fully qualified then the majority of blame goes to the producer.

'Careless' and 'inexperienced' armorer, 24, on Alec Baldwin Rust set halted filming on last movie - starring Nic Cage - after 'giving gun to child actress, 11, on set'

• The young armorer who allegedly handed Alec Baldwin the gun that killed the cinematographer on the set of his movie Rust was 'inexperienced' with guns
• Sources claim Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, had a history of reckless behavior around weapons and was 'a bit careless with guns'
• Two production sources claim Rust Gutierrez-Reed previously gave a child actor a gun without checking it on set of the Nicholas Cage's The Old Way
• The sources said she was seen loading blanks in an 'unsafe' fashion
• Other sources add that blame also lies with Dave Halls, the assistant director who failed to check the gun when he told Baldwin it was safe to use
• Baldwin tweeted a Variety article on Friday that he 'was told prop gun was safe before fatal shooting' as experts said he ignored basic gun safety rules

Careless armorer gave gun to child on Alec Baldwin Rust set

Sources claim Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, had a history of reckless behavior around weapons and was 'a bit careless with guns'. She reportedly gave a gun to a child actress without checking it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He hired her. Who's fault is it?

 

[skyking]

Accidents are usually the result of more than one failure and this one is egregious in the multiple failures of safety protocol. Keep in mind the original armorer walked off, so he will get a pass when THAT guy was the one the let all the shit in Taj's post come to pass, before the accident day.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I see for this is all about dissing Alec Baldwin and not about gun safety or the person killed on the set.

Why should we be surprised. The only reason you give a shit about this story.

It is about gun safety, something you know jack shit about.

 

[skyking]

I'd do the job for a movie, but you know it probably does not pay shit.

 

[HomerJS]

It is about gun safety, something you know jack shit about.

In case your reading comprehension skills are shitty I'll state again.

In previous posts I said I was ignorant about handguns which is why I asked questions.

You on the other hand only give a damn about gun safety because it is Alec Baldwin. You pattern will never change.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

If a firearm has to be pointed at a camera for a shot the camera person runs it remotely.

I said that a couple of pages back.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

In case your reading comprehension skills are shitty I'll state again.

In previous posts I said I was ignorant about handguns which is why I asked questions.

You on the other hand only give a damn about gun safety because it is Alec Baldwin. You pattern will never change.

I discuss gun safety all the time you useless pinhead. Your pattern of being wrong all the time will never change.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I said that a couple of pages back.

You were right.

 

[pmv]

You don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. If a firearm has to be pointed at a camera for a shot the camera person runs it remotely.

I said that a couple of pages back.

Is that an existing health & safety rule for movie production, though? If not, it sounds like it should be.

As the producer he was the one to make the decision on who was the armorer.

A very rare occasion that I agree with a post of yours.

I don't blame Baldwin in his capactity as an actor, for firing the shot, but if he also had a role as a producer then sounds as if he takes at least some of the blame for hiring the wrong person as armorer (I'm not sure how many 'producers' a movie like this actually has, or which one is responsible for which aspect of production...but if you take a 'producer' credit for the money and status it brings, you have to take some of the responsibilities that go with it).

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Usta' be common practice for everybody to gather 'round the camera. It was sort of the only, or best way to frame the scene. No other way to get the camera eye view until the film was processed that night.

No longer necessary. Rig the camera and everybody gather 'round the monitor off to the side. Joystick does the camera moving if necessary.

 

[JEDI]

Gun that killed Halyna Hutchins used by crew off-set for fun: report

The gun, which was fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of “Rust,” may have even been loaded with live rounds when it was used for what was essentially target practice.

nypost.com

Not only was there live ammo on the set, but the gun fired by Alec Baldwin had been used by other cast members for target practice with live ammunition. The armorers room had both live ammo and blank ammo in it.

"
The prop gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on a New Mexico movie set had been used by crew members offsite for fun, a new report claims.

The gun, which was fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of the movie “Rust,” may have even been loaded with live rounds when it was used for what was essentially target practice, TMZ reported.

Multiple sources connected to the production of the film told TMZ that the gun was fired at off-the-clock gatherings – which could explain how a live round found its way into the gun’s chamber.

Another source who was on set told the outlet that when cops arrived they found live ammo and blank rounds stored in the same area, where the fatal mix-up could have occurred."

why did the armorer have live rounds on the set?!
why did the crew have access to the gun during off hours?

this sounds like negligence on the part of the armorer.

 

[JEDI]

Accidents are usually the result of more than one failure and this one is egregious in the multiple failures of safety protocol.
Keep in mind the original armorer walked off, so he will get a pass when THAT guy was the one the let all the shit in Taj's post come to pass, before the accident day.

the original armorer was one of the people that walked off the set because safety reasons hrs before the fatal accident?

if not, when did he leave? why did he leave?

 

[skyking]

go do your own homework. The whole union crew walked off that morning.

 

[HomerJS]

I discuss gun safety all the time you useless pinhead. Your pattern of being wrong all the time will never change.

What makes you think anyone takes you word on anything with your track record of lying?

Meanwhile you can go back to jerking off to pictures of Alec Baldwin grieving because he accidently killed someone.

 

[dank69]

I discuss gun safety all the time you useless pinhead. Your pattern of being wrong all the time will never change.

This response makes zero sense in this context. It's like you have dementia. RIP dude, dementia is no joke.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

go do your own homework. The whole union crew walked off that morning.

The armorer "Hannah Reed" was the original armorer on the set and was hired by Baldwin.

 

[sportage]

Considering all the movies made using guns, this happening is rare indeed. We've seen a few accidents, but one is one too many. I figure this will go down as a major neglect in doing ones job. The gun handler and also as the gun safety expert, this person really screwed up. Then I wonder how drugs may have played a part? If the gun guy, the safety expert was too high or had used drugs in the previous 12 hours, that could have played a huge role in neglecting / forgetting his duties. Lets face it, all of these Hollywood movie people are stoned out of their minds most of the time, and more so when on a movie set far way out in the middle of boring freakin nowhere. This may come down to an issue of drugs on the set more so than guns on the set. Im just saying.....

You'd think Hollywood would make and use guns that actually were not guns at all. Some device where nothing could be shot from and the sound and smoke artificially manufactured within the device. A device incapable of holding ammo let alone discharging it.

 

[UNCjigga]

The armorer "Hannah Reed" was the original armorer on the set and was hired by Baldwin.

Pretty sure that is not the same person who yelled "cold gun" when handing the weapon to Baldwin.

Rust assistant director who gave Alec Baldwin gun ‘was subject of 2019 safety complaint’

Prop maker Maggie Goll says she raised complaints about Dave Halls in TV series Into the Dark but that issue is ‘in no way one person’s fault’

www.theguardian.com

Sounds like there were multiple points of failure here, not sure who will held criminally liable but you bet your ass the producers/executives behind the hiring decisions bear some financial liability for wrongful death--and that may include Baldwin.

 

[MrSquished]

Lauren Boebert, a shitty maga person, just like all of them, exploits this tragedy, just like Taj is. We already know she is a piece of filth, and we know Taj is, this is all just two pieces of shit in a pod stuff

Lauren Boebert slammed after trolling Alec Baldwin over Halyna Hutchins shooting

Outspoken Republican congresswoman and pro-gun activist Lauren Boebert is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again after trolling actor Alec Baldwin over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film Rust.Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to hospital in New Mexico after...

www.indy100.com

 

[imported_tajmahal]

go do your own homework. The whole union crew walked off that morning.

No they didn't. Only part of the union crew walked off the set. The woman killed is a union cinematographer.

Careless armorer gave gun to child on Alec Baldwin Rust set

Sources claim Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, had a history of reckless behavior around weapons and was 'a bit careless with guns'. She reportedly gave a gun to a child actress without checking it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"A fellow Rust crew member referred to Gutierrez-Reed as being 'inexperienced and green,' alleging that there had been at least two incidents of guns being discharged on set before Thursday's fatal accident.

Rust crew members claim there were several complaints made against the armorer on the set and that at least six 'fed-up' people had walked off the set prior to Gutierrez-Reed handing Baldwin the gun that killed Hutchins.

The crew made their complaints directly to assistant director Dave Hall - who is named in the search warrant affidavit as the person handed Baldwin the gun that killed Hutchins and told him it was safe - and demanded all the discharges were documented.

'All of us yelled at him, 'That better be on the production report, these guys are irresponsible and shouldn't be here,' a production source said.

'That should be automatic grounds for termination on a union film set, you should be gone. The first time that gun went off without telling anybody, that whole department should have been replaced, immediately. Clearly production thought better of it, decided to roll the dice and pay the ultimate price.'"

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Lauren Boebert, a shitty maga person, just like all of them, exploits this tragedy, just like Taj is. We already know she is a piece of filth, and we know Taj is, this is all just two pieces of shit in a pod stuff

Lauren Boebert slammed after trolling Alec Baldwin over Halyna Hutchins shooting

Outspoken Republican congresswoman and pro-gun activist Lauren Boebert is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again after trolling actor Alec Baldwin over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film Rust.Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to hospital in New Mexico after...

www.indy100.com

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