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AIDA64 receives preliminary support for Alder Lake-X HEDT/Xeon CPUs - VideoCardz.com

Intel rumored to launch Alder Lake-X series Release notes for the upcoming AIDA64 Extreme Beta suggest Intel might be developing a new X-Series CPUs. There are still more question than answers about Intel’s upcoming Intel HEDT platform. Officially, Intel has not mentioned its Sapphire Rapids-X...
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There's going to be an Alder Lake-X. Videocardz speculates that it's a single die Sapphire Rapids on LGA 1700. Not the Sapphire Rapids-X HEDT.

Edit: Xeon only most likely but it is possible there is a Core product. Intel obviously needs to slice and dice the Sapphire dies as much as possible.
 
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jpiniero said:
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AIDA64 receives preliminary support for Alder Lake-X HEDT/Xeon CPUs - VideoCardz.com

Intel rumored to launch Alder Lake-X series Release notes for the upcoming AIDA64 Extreme Beta suggest Intel might be developing a new X-Series CPUs. There are still more question than answers about Intel’s upcoming Intel HEDT platform. Officially, Intel has not mentioned its Sapphire Rapids-X...
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There's going to be an Alder Lake-X. Videocardz speculates that it's a single die Sapphire Rapids on LGA 1700. Not the Sapphire Rapids-X HEDT.

Edit: Xeon only most likely but it is possible there is a Core product. Intel obviously needs to slice and dice the Sapphire dies as much as possible.
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2 die SPR would make more sense with 28-30 cores and 4 memory channels.
 
ashFTW said:
2 die SPR would make more sense with 28-30 cores and 4 memory channels.
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That was kind of expectation they would do that and not one die. So we'll see. But it fits with them making Alder Lake support ECC and no Xeon E products.

They could do both. It's like Zen 1.
 
ashFTW said:
2 die SPR would make more sense with 28-30 cores and 4 memory channels.
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Thats the one that interests me. Single-die SPR does not move a thing to me as an owner of Skylake-x cpu, granted faster cores, but if that was enough, i could have got 5950x long-time ago. Or now probably better to wait for Zen 4 In such case cause of its. V-cache advantage.
 
Timmah! said:
Thats the one that interests me. Single-die SPR does not move a thing to me as an owner of Skylake-x cpu, granted faster cores, but if that was enough, i could have got 5950x long-time ago. Or now probably better to wait for Zen 4 In such case cause of its. V-cache advantage.
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For my personal use, I would love a dual socket SPR based workstation with 56+ cores per socket. Or a similar Threadripper/EPYC. I don’t know if either company or any OEM is planning on offering such a (liquid cooled) workstation configuration.
 
ashFTW said:
For my personal use, I would love a dual socket SPR based workstation with 56+ cores per socket.
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Out of sheer curiosity, what's your use case for a dual socket workstation? The inter socket latency makes me not like them. You must have some application specifically written to take advantage of dual socket configurations and NUMA.
 
ashFTW said:
For my personal use, I would love a dual socket SPR based workstation with 56+ cores per socket. Or a similar Threadripper/EPYC. I don’t know if either company or any OEM is planning on offering such a (liquid cooled) workstation configuration.
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Dell sells Xeon workstations that can be configured to dual processor... but it only goes up to Skylake and friends right now. They probably will refresh it with SPR.
 
jpiniero said:
Dell sells Xeon workstations that can be configured to dual processor... but it only goes up to Skylake and friends right now. They probably will refresh it with SPR.
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Yes,I’m aware. I’ve a query out to them, but haven’t heard back from our rep.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Out of sheer curiosity, what's your use case for a dual socket workstation? The inter socket latency makes me not like them. You must have some application specifically written to take advantage of dual socket configurations and NUMA.
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I build bioinformatics pipelines in Python, R, and Java. Usually I can break work into tons of smaller tasks that each run using 1-8 cores. More cores the better to get the overall work done faster. Currently only one of my Xeon workstation is dual socket (2x12 cores), and so far I haven’t bothered writing NUMA aware code. I’m using 64 core Threadripper for most of my current development.
 
ashFTW said:
I build bioinformatics pipelines in Python, R, and Java. Usually I can break work into tons of smaller tasks that each run using 1-8 cores. More cores the better to get the overall work done faster. Currently only one of my Xeon workstation is dual socket (2x12 cores), and so far I haven’t bothered writing NUMA aware code. I’m using 64 core Threadripper for most of my current development.
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Couldn't you use something like XtreemOS with cheaper nodes to consolidate their processing power in a distributed fashion?

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You could get maybe three or four high end PC's for the same price. Even ECC if you stick to AMD.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Couldn't you use something like XtreemOS with cheaper nodes to consolidate their processing power in a distributed fashion?

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You could get maybe three or four high end PC's for the same price. Even ECC if you stick to AMD.
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I have access to large clusters at the university, but I prefer a powerful multiprocessor at my desk. I’ve never heard of XtreemOS, but I’ll check it out. Thanks!
 
OK, first off this post is asking for any explanation, not a dig on Alder lake, but I am confused. IN DC applications it has been sometimes a little faster, sometimes slower, even as low as 64% of the 5950x per thread. But I am running a new app today, gaia@home. The 7742 EPYC at at a rate of about 4 hours per task. The 5950x is at a little less than 3 hours. The 12700F is at a rate of almost 12 hours !!!! It was running 3.5 ghz ! All of these are linux. So I disabled the e-cores and the remaining 8 cores now run at 4.5 ghz, but the eta has not changed. Well, it was 12 hours, now its 11:40.

So the question is why are they so different ? Others in this app running slower Xeons are getting 3.5 to 4 hours also, even a X5680, 12 year old hex core Zeon ! I know its one app, but this is the ONLY time I have found insane differences in speed from other CPU's.

HELP !!!!

Note this is after the restart, it was on a pace of 12 hour ETA before I disabled the e-cores and had run for 40 minutes, ETA did not change much.

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Tech Junky said:
Could be missing some hardware acceleration packages.
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All I know is this project only run on linux, and I have applied all patches and updates. But that is certainly reasonable. My kernel is not updated to 5.16 that supports alder lake, its not approved for cinnamon mint. I will look again for any updates its now finds, thanks !

Edit: in case anyone knows what all this means, this is the linix "stuff"
Linux Mint 20.3 [5.13.0-39-generic|libc 2.31 (Ubuntu GLIBC 2.31-0ubuntu9.7)]

Edit2: The 5950x I am comparing it to is also using the 20.3 mint version (apples to apples)
 
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Do a manual upgrade or use the app for kernel's. Unlock the ADL!!!! 🙂

BTW I'm n 5.17.3 right now but, 5.18.rcX works as well.
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Its not available as an approved version. Here are my choices, and I am at the top:
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Markfw said:
Its not available as an approved version. Here are my choices, and I am at the top:
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If you want to update to the kernels with ADL support, it won't be officially supported, not for a while at least. This is one of the down sides of Linux and brand new hardware. To be honest, since you really just use the box as a dedicated DC computer, updating the kernel shouldn't be an issue.
 
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