Alcohol? Not in My Cab!

[GoPackGo]

Another thing...do they realize how much wine flies into MSP out of SFO every single day?

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Imagine the uproar if it was a christian cab driver and he refused to take a person to their destination because they are gay, and it happened to them 5 times in a row like the woman in the article because the majority of cab drivers were christian and it was against their religious beliefs to transport a gay person.

You would see the same liberal, secular, apologists that are tip toeing around this or trying to ignore it come out like sharks after a bleeding fish in the sea, and crucify the cab driver and or company to the full extent of the law and they would win.

As a liberal and secular person (I refuse to accept your pandering label of apologist) I don't know whether to be more offended at your ridiculous oversimplication or instead your inability to read (or possibly comprehend) the posts in this thread before your posted this broadside. Look to my post on 9/30 at 2:39.

I would treat any person trying to impose their personal religious preferences upon public services the same-be they Christian, Muslim, Scientologist or whatever other sect you have.

BTW, I think the airport's decision to bump these drivers to the end of the cabbie line is an excellent first step.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Since the cab companies are regulated and licensed (around my parts they cabs are even subsidized by the taxpayers), and as long as the person is not breaking any laws, the cab driver has no right to refuse transportation. If he/she can't live with that then they need to find another occuapation.

YOU DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE. Some taxi cabs are owned by the individual and a company name is put on the side of it. When I call for a taxi over the phone that company contacts me and I drive there. Since they are offering me service thought their name I give them a cut. And if that was the rule..... I guess If i lived in a Section 8 House of course sponsered by the govt. I can't refuse someone bring alcohol and smokes into my house. Since the governement sponsers my dwelling. Hmmm.......

341.170. Duty to accept passengers.No driver shall refuse or neglect to convey any orderly person or persons upon request anywhere in the city unless previously engaged, provided that such person agrees to pay the legal rate of fare. No taxicab driver shall refuse or fail to provide services to any person protected under the Minneapolis Code of Ordinances section 139.10. No taxicab driver shall carry any other passenger than the person first employing the taxicab, except as provided in section 341.730, and then only with the consent of the first passenger or passengers. (88-Or-004, § 5, 1-15-88)



Airport Check-in: Fare refusals in Minnesota

Updated 9/18/2006 11:04 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print |

By Roger Yu, USA TODAY
MINNEAPOLIS-ST. PAUL
Changes in taxis, Metro Transit

Minneapolis-St. Paul is concerned that its taxi service is deteriorating. Citing their religious beliefs, some Muslim taxi drivers from Somalia are refusing to transport customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. It started with one driver a few years ago, but the average number of fare refusals has grown to about three a day, says airport spokesman Patrick Hogan. "Travelers often feel surprised and insulted," he says. "Sometimes, several drivers in a row refuse carriage."

Taxi drivers and officials from the airport, taxi companies and the Muslim American Society are discussing how to address the issue. Partly out of concern that taxi drivers might be citing religion to avoid short-distance fares, the airport is now forcing drivers who refuse a fare to go to the end of the line for waiting taxis. It is not a popular decision among drivers, Hogan says.

Before you site any law you need to do further reasearh on the subject. Unfortunatley the Airport Commission officials of Minneapolis are allowing the taxicab drivers to refuse drives who violate their Islamic laws of carrying alcoholic beverages. They have allowed it to the point where they are working with representatives of the Muslim American Socieity to work around this.

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Now the airports commission has a solution: color-coding the lights on the taxi roofs to indicate whether a driver will accept a booze-toting fare. The actual colors haven't been decided on yet, but commission officials met Thursday with representatives of the taxi drivers and the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society to continue working on the plan.
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from: http://www.jewishblogging.com/blog.php?bid=80306

The point is this regardless of whatever laws you create. If the vast majority of your people won't follow them.

In this case almost all. How the hell are you going to get people from the airport to their hotel or whatever. You have to work around it. The same with employee related strikes. So as far as that law goes I'm sure it's in the works of getting revamped or a clause will be placed inside of it addressing this issue.

Do you read the links you post?

When people lack the will to stand up for their rights and for their Constitution, they will find it replaced by an Islamic will and an Islamic law.

Regardless of what laws one create? So should we throw out the first ammendment too if that community doesn't want to follow it.

And you are the one who questioned the existance of a law and now you are questioning the law saying it is of none effect, and about employee strikes new york city stopped it using the law.

Yep I did read that, the site was biased in the first place because it was a jewish site. However, i was just siting or concentraining on the fact that the airport is changing the rules to acomodate musilm islamic laws. As far as the law goes its a small piece of civil code that can be change easily. An Admendment to the USC is extreamly strong and it effects everybody in the US. If an Admendment was made to affect Taxicabs like this small civil law the taxicab drivers would have no choice but to accept passengers.

As far as questioning the laws goes. If no one questioned laws they would never change that is the very basis of our legal system in the United States. People argue and change laws.[/quote]

The nondiscrimination laws are backed by the constitution especially when it is a government regulated business.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Since the cab companies are regulated and licensed (around my parts they cabs are even subsidized by the taxpayers), and as long as the person is not breaking any laws, the cab driver has no right to refuse transportation. If he/she can't live with that then they need to find another occuapation.

YOU DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE. Some taxi cabs are owned by the individual and a company name is put on the side of it. When I call for a taxi over the phone that company contacts me and I drive there. Since they are offering me service thought their name I give them a cut. And if that was the rule..... I guess If i lived in a Section 8 House of course sponsered by the govt. I can't refuse someone bring alcohol and smokes into my house. Since the governement sponsers my dwelling. Hmmm.......

I do know for sure that it isn't a cab drivers responsibility to impose his religious beliefs on me. I ma just as free as he is.

Carrying a person who has capped alcohol with him does not endanger his health and they aren't breaking any laws so the cabbie has no right to refuse transportation. I have rights too!!

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Imagine the uproar if it was a christian cab driver and he refused to take a person to their destination because they are gay, and it happened to them 5 times in a row like the woman in the article because the majority of cab drivers were christian and it was against their religious beliefs to transport a gay person.

You would see the same liberal, secular, apologists that are tip toeing around this or trying to ignore it come out like sharks after a bleeding fish in the sea, and crucify the cab driver and or company to the full extent of the law and they would win.

As a liberal and secular person (I refuse to accept your pandering label of apologist) I don't know whether to be more offended at your ridiculous oversimplication or instead your inability to read (or possibly comprehend) the posts in this thread before your posted this broadside. Look to my post on 9/30 at 2:39.

I would treat any person trying to impose their personal religious preferences upon public services the same-be they Christian, Muslim, Scientologist or whatever other sect you have.

BTW, I think the airport's decision to bump these drivers to the end of the cabbie line is an excellent first step.

Well if you aren't an apologist then you are not the one I was speaking of, but if this was a christian doing that their licenses would have been asked for not just going to the back of a line, and it was not an oversimplification but it actually happened, read the post about the cab driver throwing out the customer because he thought he was gay.

And yes I read your post and I agreed with it.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Yep technically it would be safer. If alchohol wasn't manufactured I guess you will see statistics all across the board lower as far as fatalities go.

So, what will happen when they ban pork meat in their cab, or demand women put on a burka? Should we accept that as well, since it would be "better" anyway?

(btw, I'm not getting into an argument about alcohol consumption, since just saying that banning it would make everything a lot better is a gross oversimplification)

 

[steppinthrax]

Well, there are only a certain amount of freedom we will give them (musilm taxi cab drivers) with this. This is one we gave to them as far as the alcohol goes. But they know they can't be too lavish with asking for all of their beliefs. In that case there would just be outrage and people would find some other methods of traveling. Part of the reason for this to get accepted is because generally people in this society have a neg thoughts about alchohol anyway.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Well, there are only a certain amount of freedom we will give them (musilm taxi cab drivers) with this. This is one we gave to them as far as the alcohol goes. But they know they can't be too lavish with asking for all of their beliefs. In that case there would just be outrage and people would find some other methods of traveling. Part of the reason for this to get accepted is because generally people in this society have a neg thoughts about alchohol anyway.

What business is it of theirs? They are being paid for a service, and as long as they aren't being asked to carry anything illegal, it should be none of their business.

If God didn't mean for us to drink, he wouldn't have created yeast that makes such good wines and beers.

 

[palehorse]

it's really easy folks: The first time a cabbie asks you if you are carrying any alcohol, simply say "What I'm carrying is none of your fvcking business; just drive. thanks"

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Well, there are only a certain amount of freedom we will give them (musilm taxi cab drivers) with this. This is one we gave to them as far as the alcohol goes. But they know they can't be too lavish with asking for all of their beliefs. In that case there would just be outrage and people would find some other methods of traveling. Part of the reason for this to get accepted is because generally people in this society have a neg thoughts about alchohol anyway.

What business is it of theirs? They are being paid for a service, and as long as they aren't being asked to carry anything illegal, it should be none of their business.

If God didn't mean for us to drink, he wouldn't have created yeast that makes such good wines and beers.

Well yeah is isn't any of their business. But they exercised their right of general freedome and free speach and refused everyone whom carried alcohol. People relized they needed the taxicab drivers and no choice but to submit to their demands. I mean we could keep fining them and put them all in jail for not paying the fine but where would we be then. no taxicab drivers.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Well, there are only a certain amount of freedom we will give them (musilm taxi cab drivers) with this. This is one we gave to them as far as the alcohol goes. But they know they can't be too lavish with asking for all of their beliefs. In that case there would just be outrage and people would find some other methods of traveling. Part of the reason for this to get accepted is because generally people in this society have a neg thoughts about alchohol anyway.

What business is it of theirs? They are being paid for a service, and as long as they aren't being asked to carry anything illegal, it should be none of their business.

If God didn't mean for us to drink, he wouldn't have created yeast that makes such good wines and beers.

Well yeah is isn't any of their business. But they exercised their right of general freedome and free speach and refused everyone whom carried alcohol. People relized they needed the taxicab drivers and no choice but to submit to their demands. I mean we could keep fining them and put them all in jail for not paying the fine but where would we be then. no taxicab drivers.

actually, no, then we'd have taxi drivers who minded their fvcking business or went broke. there will always be those willing to drive you.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Well, there are only a certain amount of freedom we will give them (musilm taxi cab drivers) with this. This is one we gave to them as far as the alcohol goes. But they know they can't be too lavish with asking for all of their beliefs. In that case there would just be outrage and people would find some other methods of traveling. Part of the reason for this to get accepted is because generally people in this society have a neg thoughts about alchohol anyway.

What business is it of theirs? They are being paid for a service, and as long as they aren't being asked to carry anything illegal, it should be none of their business.

If God didn't mean for us to drink, he wouldn't have created yeast that makes such good wines and beers.

Well yeah is isn't any of their business. But they exercised their right of general freedome and free speach and refused everyone whom carried alcohol. People relized they needed the taxicab drivers and no choice but to submit to their demands. I mean we could keep fining them and put them all in jail for not paying the fine but where would we be then. no taxicab drivers.

Then I should be allowed to ask if they are muslim and choose a different driver. It doesn't matter if I have alcohol or not.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Gay Men Claim Driver Ousted Them From Cab

(WCCO) Three gay men say they were kicked out of a Twin Cities taxi by a cabbie who said a couple's kiss violated his religious beliefs.

The three men took a cab home after partying at The Saloon in downtown Minneapolis last Friday.

Brent Opall said his friends exchanged a kiss in the cab. "It wasn't anything very intimate, just a peck on the cheek," he said.

Opall said the driver started yelling, "making statements like he can't be surrounded by people like us -- it was against his religion, (making statements such as) 'Burn in hell,' 'Go to hell.'"

The men said the driver ordered them out. The men did not get the cab's number, but said it was a Blue & White taxi.

The general manager of Blue & White said the incident is under investigation and that he is trying to determine who the cabbie might have been.

The manager said that kind of behavior by a cab driver is unacceptable and has never happened in the company before.

Many local cabbies are Muslim, and many Muslims believe homosexuality violates Islamic law.

State Rep. Keith Ellison, a Muslim and an attorney, told WCCO-TV the cab incident probably violates state law.

"It was really hurtful," Opall said.

Opall's friends declined an on-camera interview because of privacy concerns.

Ok this happens once and a big deal is made out of it. How many times have another ethncity been treated like this. Many, (Rosa Parks)..... And regarding gays. They are one group of people in society that multiple ethnicities (almost across the board) tend to dislike. It will take society a couple of decades before they may even be fully accepted. Until then they are being treated like blacks were being treated many years ago.

And because of one incident like Rosa Parks society is changed.

Exactly and since when is gay bashing ok?

I guess as long as it happens only once.

I'd say as long as it fits the current liberal apologist agenda.

 

[1EZduzit]

If Muslim cab drivers don't want to accomadate the way things HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DONE in this country, then they should make arrangements to work in a place more suitable to their beliefs. Perhaps Bahgdad would be more to their liking?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If Muslim cab drivers don't want to accomadate the way things HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DONE in this country, then they should make arrangements to work in a place more suitable to their beliefs. Perhaps Bahgdad would be more to their liking?

Exactly!!!

They are the ones that have recently moved into the USA, and they are the ones that should be adjusting to the culture present in the USA, and not the other way around.

 

[imported_dna]

Heh, it seems that this is not the first time there's been an issue with alcohol: Muslim Trucker Sues Over Alcohol Load.

In Tennessee a Muslim truck driver has been fired because he refused to haul a load of beer which, he said, would have been contrary to his religion. He?s filed suit in federal court and wants the right to pick and choose what sorts of products he will transport.

Although an old story (2004), it only reinforces my argument that it must be nipped at the bud, or else...

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dna
Heh, it seems that this is not the first time there's been an issue with alcohol: Muslim Trucker Sues Over Alcohol Load.

In Tennessee a Muslim truck driver has been fired because he refused to haul a load of beer which, he said, would have been contrary to his religion. He?s filed suit in federal court and wants the right to pick and choose what sorts of products he will transport.

Although an old story (2004), it only reinforces my argument that it must be nipped at the bud, or else...

Did you find any update on this lawsuit?

But this just illustrates that they want it their way.

 

[imported_dna]

Nah, couldn't find the outcome of that.

However, I did stumble upon another page about cases of "discrimination"; one of the funny ones is about a woman that was arrested, and was not allowed to cover her head in jail and court: Aisha Samad: Muslim woman files lawsuit for not being allowed to wear head cover. Now she is suing :roll:.

Reminds me of another case, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her niqab for a driver license photo: Woman Refused To Show Face. I guess some people think that it is fine for identification cards to have photos with which don't really identify the holder. Yep, she's a ninja -- that's all the cop needs to know in order to verify her identity.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dna
Nah, couldn't find the outcome of that.

However, I did stumble upon another page about cases of "discrimination"; one of the funny ones is about a woman that was arrested, and was not allowed to cover her head in jail and court: Aisha Samad: Muslim woman files lawsuit for not being allowed to wear head cover. Now she is suing :roll:.

Reminds me of another case, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her niqab for a driver license photo: Woman Refused To Show Face. I guess some people think that it is fine for identification cards to have photos with which don't really identify the holder. Yep, she's a ninja -- that's all the cop needs to know in order to verify her identity.

If its allowed for them to operate outside the normal bounds of our society then they will be the beginning of our end.

Congress shall make no law not only means they can suggest a religion or honor a religion it also means that the government cant make allowances for religion. Sorry.

 

[halik]

'eh they'll put themselves outta business. I don't see how sharia applies to me, though.

I can see this as a problem if a) the cab company implemented this b)vast majority of the drivers are muslim. Then you'd be de-facto forcing me to follow your religion.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: dna
Got wine at the airport? It's harder to grab a cab

Freedom from religios persecution takes a new.

What is this "religios" you speak of?


A private company allowing the driver to not to allow alcohol in the cab he drives is not religious discrimination. The passenger can easily throw away his brew or get another cab if he wants to ride with that cab driver.

The problem is the city of minneapolis controls the permits for these and the majority of the permits end up in Muslim's hands. The argument that you can get another cab fails because the city controlled industry is not allowing the market to work and thus reducing your ability to find another cab.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: dna
Got wine at the airport? It's harder to grab a cab

Freedom from religios persecution takes a new.

What is this "religios" you speak of?


A private company allowing the driver to not to allow alcohol in the cab he drives is not religious discrimination. The passenger can easily throw away his brew or get another cab if he wants to ride with that cab driver.

The problem is the city of minneapolis controls the permits for these and the majority of the permits end up in Muslim's hands. The argument that you can get another cab fails because the city controlled industry is not allowing the market to work and thus reducing your ability to find another cab.

Exactly...taxis are a public service that people pay BIG money for.

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Can I refuse to let anyone in my cab who is wearing clothing that offends me.. and that clothing happens to be religious attire?

Well, it is your cab and you do have the right to refuse service to anyone. But I would suggest that any company that made strict moral judgements about every customer and based their decision to engage in commerce with those customers on those judgements isn't going to be in business very long.

I've read your other questions. In a bizarro, alternate universe where muslims controlled every cab in the world we'd have a lot more people killed by drunk drivers. But thank God we don't live in a static economy and your scenario isn't even remotely possible.

Exactly,

I'm surprised after so many post nobody until now mentions this. Technically if it is his Taxi Cab and he owns the taxi you are in his personal property. Therefore he can she wheather he wants you in or not. And it would be PERFECLTY LEGAL. It's the same as if I don't want you smoking in my house or not. As far as musilms controlling cabs so what. Nobody complains when another large majority of another ethnicity dominates another business. But since it's Musilms I guess and after 9/11 everybody wants to point out the ovbious. Also you have the right to refuse business if you feel so. However, your refusuals cant of course be based on race/religion/sex/ etc.... The people who bought alcohol into the taxi cab had a choice. If they want to ride a taxi they must dump the alcohol. If they don't get out. It's the same thing like in some convient stores they say you can't bring in bookbags. Well most studetns wear bookbags so your dening most students from entered your store. I think this is more negative then the taxi cab thing.

The difference is you get your bookbag back at the end. If I was a tourist there then what? There should be big signs plastered saying cabbies can refuse service because you bought alcohol.

Besides smoking is differnt I'll let a smoker in my car and haul his cigarettes around I wont let him smoke in it though. Same goes for alochol feel free to move it in my car just dont drink in it.

I would understand if they bottles where open but this is just shifting of alcohol nothing more. Next thing you know captains of vessels wont move ships with alcohol on them should be fun.

 

[imported_dna]

WIth the risk of being labeled a racist, a bigot, or any other of those fine adjectives -- can anybody attest to the legality of those Somali drivers?

If cabs from the airport are big money makers, and they say that the majority of drivers are Somalis, then I really have to wonder how did the situation end up like that.

The first thing that comes to mind is wage depression, caused by influx of illegal immigrants willing to do the job for far less.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Yep technically it would be safer. If alchohol wasn't manufactured I guess you will see statistics all across the board lower as far as fatalities go.

So, what will happen when they ban pork meat in their cab, or demand women put on a burka? Should we accept that as well, since it would be "better" anyway?

(btw, I'm not getting into an argument about alcohol consumption, since just saying that banning it would make everything a lot better is a gross oversimplification)

Ye, hwat if I had just eaten a hot dog that was made of pork? And to top it off, I had a beer with it... can I still get a cab?