Alabama police officers suspended for hand gesture linked to 'circle game'

[s0me0nesmind1]

Heh. 4chan still continuing to easily troll you fools. Ahhh god bless them, love the laughs they bring as people get butthurt and shout racist at a-okay hand gestures and signs that say "Its ok to be white"

You do realize they are successful at pointing out your stupidity, right?

 

[brycejones]

Pepe was appropriated as a racist symbol in much the same way, that appears to be happening with this gesture. A point that I made several times.

Re pepe , it's not that people "thought" that it was racist but, rather, that it was appropriated in order to be deliberately turned into a racist meme.

Yet strangely enough the OP isn't concerned about this aspect. I guess we should just assume that if a thing wasn't racist in the past we should never associate it with racists when they start using it. Remember kids the swastika wasn't bad until the Nazi's started using it so there is nothing wrong with swastikas today, ignore the context in which it has been previously and is still used as a symbol of a horrible ideology.

 

[realibrad]

Pepe was appropriated as a racist symbol in much the same way, that appears to be happening with this gesture. A point that I made several times.

Re pepe , it's not that people "thought" that it was racist but, rather, that it was appropriated in order to be deliberately turned into a racist meme.

Pepe was not a symbol so saying it was turned into one does not make sense. By that logic, a pink shirt worn by a racist becomes an appropriated racist symbol which would be stupid.

What is happening is two things. People are trying to get a rise out of others and saying/doing racist things is a sure fire way to get that. So, taking something popular like pepe and doing something edgy with it like being racist is what those people will do. It does not mean it is a hate symbol.

The other thing is that racists people take things that racists try to make their racism associated to popular things.

There is nothing racist about the gesture. It may be that racists are doing racist things, but, just because they use something does not mean they are chanting the meaning behind it.

 

[realibrad]

Yet strangely enough the OP isn't concerned about this aspect. I guess we should just assume that if a thing wasn't racist in the past we should never associate it with racists when they start using it. Remember kids the swastika wasn't bad until the Nazi's started using it so there is nothing wrong with swastikas today, ignore the context in which it has been previously and is still used as a symbol of a horrible ideology.

Is it racist when people in Asia use swastikas?

Intent matters.

 

[jackstar7]

Pepe was not a symbol so saying it was turned into one does not make sense. By that logic, a pink shirt worn by a racist becomes an appropriated racist symbol which would be stupid.

What is happening is two things. People are trying to get a rise out of others and saying/doing racist things is a sure fire way to get that. So, taking something popular like pepe and doing something edgy with it like being racist is what those people will do. It does not mean it is a hate symbol.

The other thing is that racists people take things that racists try to make their racism associated to popular things.

There is nothing racist about the gesture. It may be that racists are doing racist things, but, just because they use something does not mean they are chanting the meaning behind it.

The Quibbler returns in today's uninspiring episode:
"Okay to Race"

 

[WelshBloke]

Pepe was not a symbol so saying it was turned into one does not make sense. By that logic, a pink shirt worn by a racist becomes an appropriated racist symbol which would be stupid.

What is happening is two things. People are trying to get a rise out of others and saying/doing racist things is a sure fire way to get that. So, taking something popular like pepe and doing something edgy with it like being racist is what those people will do. It does not mean it is a hate symbol.

The other thing is that racists people take things that racists try to make their racism associated to popular things.

There is nothing racist about the gesture. It may be that racists are doing racist things, but, just because they use something does not mean they are chanting the meaning behind it.

What?

 

[ivwshane]

Context, the Achilles heal of the rights every argument.

 

[ivwshane]

What?

What he's saying is that putting burning crosses on people lawns were not racist because burning crosses were used to keep church goers warm back in the days and when the kkk started using them, it was used as a joke.



/s

 

[Victorian Gray]

Pepe was not a symbol so saying it was turned into one does not make sense. By that logic, a pink shirt worn by a racist becomes an appropriated racist symbol which would be stupid.

What is happening is two things. People are trying to get a rise out of others and saying/doing racist things is a sure fire way to get that. So, taking something popular like pepe and doing something edgy with it like being racist is what those people will do. It does not mean it is a hate symbol.

The other thing is that racists people take things that racists try to make their racism associated to popular things.

There is nothing racist about the gesture. It may be that racists are doing racist things, but, just because they use something does not mean they are chanting the meaning behind it.

<le sigh>

 

[realibrad]

<le sigh>

So tell me, is the OK symbol a hate symbol then? Its being used by racists.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So tell me, is the OK symbol a hate symbol then? Its being used by racists.

Take 70 or 80 years to think about it and you *might* figure it out.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Pepe was not a symbol so saying it was turned into one does not make sense. By that logic, a pink shirt worn by a racist becomes an appropriated racist symbol which would be stupid.

What is happening is two things. People are trying to get a rise out of others and saying/doing racist things is a sure fire way to get that. So, taking something popular like pepe and doing something edgy with it like being racist is what those people will do. It does not mean it is a hate symbol.

The other thing is that racists people take things that racists try to make their racism associated to popular things.

There is nothing racist about the gesture. It may be that racists are doing racist things, but, just because they use something does not mean they are chanting the meaning behind it.

Tl;dr:

Trolls are at a point where they are having great success with the butt hurt brigade.

 

[jackstar7]

Tl;dr:

Trolls are at a point where they are having great success with the butt hurt brigade.

Yeah, white conservatives eat up that 4chan shit.

That's what you're saying, right?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Whats that? You guys are too retarded to know how to google something to know the origin?

Just admit it, you were trolled. You're incompetent fools that played right into their hands EXACTLY how they wanted. For fucks sake, you thought an A-OKAY symbol was racist. How far does your head have to be up your arse to actually believe such a stupid thing?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Uh oh! Look out at what is coming up next!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Whats that? You guys are too retarded to know how to google something to know the origin?

Just admit it, you were trolled. You're incompetent fools that played right into their hands EXACTLY how they wanted. For fucks sake, you thought an A-OKAY symbol was racist. How far does your head have to be up your arse to actually believe such a stupid thing?

Really? This is the stance you want to take? Lol....

 

[realibrad]

Really? This is the stance you want to take? Lol....

Are you disagreeing that the symbol is not racist, or that it was a 4chan troll attempt?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you disagreeing that the symbol is not racist, or that it was a 4chan troll attempt?

Neither.

I'm questioning the enthusiastic condescending tone of his post, especially in light of the fact that conservatives have been trolled non stop to the point many are supporting a hostile foreign power over their own countrymen.

None of what's been said of this specific topic diminshes the fact that republicans are now the party harboring white nationalists, and seemingly consider this NTF. Doesnt change that fact at all.

So whether or not this is a racist symbol is really of no concern to me, the underlying problems are still present and becoming more prevalent as time goes on with a controlling party cultivating racism.

 

[realibrad]

Neither.

I'm questioning the enthusiastic condescending tone of his post, especially in light of the fact that conservatives have been trolled non stop to the point many are supporting a hostile foreign power over their own countrymen.

None of what's been said of this specific topic diminshes the fact that republicans are now the party harboring white nationalists, and seemingly consider this NTF. Doesnt change that fact at all.

So whether or not this is a racist symbol is really of no concern to me, the underlying problems are still present and becoming more prevalent as time goes on with a controlling party cultivating racism.

Fair enough. So your stance is more of, don't throw stones at a glass house when you are standing in front of a pile of what was your own glass house.

I too find it amazing that those on the Right are so accepting of Russia. For a long time they were the boogeyman and now they are friends. Astounding really.

They also are letting the extreme turn their views into mainstream. That never ends well.

That said, I also worry about the Left letting the extreme views drown out the moderate Left which has been the backbone of this nation in terms of progress. The Left is building a big hammer to deal with racism and bigotry, and I worry that they are seeing everything as a nail.

The Right has for a long time been swinging its hammer at the war on x-mas and what not, and that has been horrible for US.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Fair enough. So your stance is more of, don't throw stones at a glass house when you are standing in front of a pile of what was your own glass house.

I too find it amazing that those on the Right are so accepting of Russia. For a long time they were the boogeyman and now they are friends. Astounding really.

They also are letting the extreme turn their views into mainstream. That never ends well.

That said, I also worry about the Left letting the extreme views drown out the moderate Left which has been the backbone of this nation in terms of progress. The Left is building a big hammer to deal with racism and bigotry, and I worry that they are seeing everything as a nail.

The Right has for a long time been swinging its hammer at the war on x-mas and what not, and that has been horrible for US.

More or less, United we stand, divided we fall...

IMO, what I see from the left pales in comparison to what we have seen from the right since '08. I'm far more concerned about a complicit slide into authoritarian rule from a party that's been outright lying for quite some time, and now aided by a foreign power who wants to see Western democracies fail

 

[realibrad]

More or less, United we stand, divided we fall...

IMO, what I see from the left pales in comparison to what we have seen from the right since '08. I'm far more concerned about a complicit slide into authoritarian rule from a party that's been outright lying for quite some time, and now aided by a foreign power who wants to see Western democracies fail

Oh it goes back further than 08 for the Right's crazy. Fox News and its bull shit for sure was going on before 08.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh it goes back further than 08 for the Right's crazy. Fox News and its bull shit for sure was going on before 08.

Yea, but on the tail end of W's 2 terms, I saw a collective mind go off the rails. It's gonna be tough to convince me to vote for a republican for long time, if ever.

 

[realibrad]

Yea, but on the tail end of W's 2 terms, I saw a collective mind go off the rails. It's gonna be tough to convince me to vote for a republican for long time, if ever.

Quite a few things were going on around then, but, I would still argue that it was building even before that.

We had the Cold war, and then that ended. For a long time God and Country where how we identified. That ends in the 90s when the USSR collapses. God and Country become less important and those power structures start losing power. There starts a big push for God and Country again, and then we are hit with 9/11.

That was the foundation of something that has been horrible. We were becoming more secular which is good, and that got push back from the religious leaders. People were dismissing religious dogma and then we get hit with terrorism. So, we go back to our roots and God/Country take over.

Now the conversation shifts to, fighting to win for God/Country is the moral position, and anything you can do is thus moral. That right there is what screwed us. When you feel justified that anything you do is moral, you will do some stupid/horrible shit.

This is what has me worried, because, the left is picking up that tool right now. Violence is fine, because its on the right side of morality. If that becomes popular enough, then we are all fucked. Both sides fighting each other because each side represents evil/immorality.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Quite a few things were going on around then, but, I would still argue that it was building even before that.

We had the Cold war, and then that ended. For a long time God and Country where how we identified. That ends in the 90s when the USSR collapses. God and Country become less important and those power structures start losing power. There starts a big push for God and Country again, and then we are hit with 9/11.

That was the foundation of something that has been horrible. We were becoming more secular which is good, and that got push back from the religious leaders. People were dismissing religious dogma and then we get hit with terrorism. So, we go back to our roots and God/Country take over.

Now the conversation shifts to, fighting to win for God/Country is the moral position, and anything you can do is thus moral. That right there is what screwed us. When you feel justified that anything you do is moral, you will do some stupid/horrible shit.

This is what has me worried, because, the left is picking up that tool right now. Violence is fine, because its on the right side of morality. If that becomes popular enough, then we are all fucked. Both sides fighting each other because each side represents evil/immorality.

We're all fucked now anyways lol

 

[realibrad]

We're all fucked now anyways lol

Maybe. I'm hoping that Trump is the pinnacle and people learn from this. My worry is that instead of learning, and pushing back against ideas, the sides are just fighting.

What has me worried is that at this point, I think the Left could not put someone forward that could unify them.

For example, I like Biden. I would vote for him over Trump 10000000000000x over. But, there are many on the Left that would say he is just another old white male. Or, he likes guns so he supports murdering people. I don't know of anyone they could put up because they are doing with the Right does.

The Right has been electing more extreme people and pushing out moderates. There is no way the Left is going to vote for someone that wants to "cross the isle" because the Right is evil/immoral.

We have a chance if we can tone it down and be reasonable, but, even that is under attack on the Left right now. We have 2 years to change the discourse so its possible.