Alabama passed a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest

[Victorian Gray]

Listen to this man he is an expert in this field.

Ok, you made me laugh.

 

[dank69]

Please explain the relevance to incels. They'll suddenly be able to get laid?? WTF?

No. If an incel feels the need to procreate he can just rape women until they get pregnant and he can die knowing his DNA has been passed on.

 

[sportage]

THE BIG MISTAKE SOON TO TAKE PLACE...
Is where pro-choice-ers now believe this law is so outrageous that the US Supreme Court will never allow it to stand.
Really? People actually believe this?
This will be the number one conversation in the upcoming election. And Donald Trump will promise the law will stand.
Which amounts to Roe vs Wade overturned nation wide.

This law will be settled law far before the US Supreme Court ever sees it.
It will be decided in public opinion.
It will be decided during the campaign and bring Trump supporters out of the woodwork to vote Donald Trump.
Every single supporter, every single Christian, Hispanics, all men, most women, more than enough to easily hand Donald Trump a second term.
This is the holy grail of holy grails for those pro-lifers. They will come out in force as never before seen in any election.
Nothing pro-choice can do about it. They will lose and the strict banning of anortion across the land will become law.

So whats next?
Once becoming nation wide law, that law will be further tweaked.
Language added that they dare not add thus far, but have all intention of adding in good time.
Adding the language stating that any woman who dare seek an abortion will also be arrested and jailed for 99 years.
And I elaborate on the words "DARE SEEK".
Not actually having an abortion but with only seeking.
Whenever one thinks its as bad as it can get, it gets worse. And too this abortion law will get much worse.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

No. If an incel feels the need to procreate he can just rape women until they get pregnant and he can die knowing his DNA has been passed on.

Uhhh... you realize... rape itself... is still a crime, right? Even after AL passed this ridiculous bill.

They might remove the ability to abort for rape victims (which i completely disagree with)... but they still will be locked away in "pound me in the ass" prison for the act itself.

 

[ivwshane]

Uhhh... you realize... rape itself... is still a crime, right? Even after AL passed this ridiculous bill.

They might remove the ability to abort for rape victims (which i completely disagree with)... but they still will be locked away in "pound me in the ass" prison for the act itself.

Oh how comforting. Not only will the woman still have to carry her rapists baby and pay for all the medical bills associated with bringing a baby to term but there is still a chance that she could die from complications.

Why not just kick the woman while she's down, maybe tell her its all her fault while you are at it.

Why do you hate women? Didn't you say you have a daughter? Karma is a bitch you know.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Oh how comforting. Not only will the woman still have to carry her rapists baby and pay for all the medical bills associated with bringing a baby to term but there is still a chance that she could die from complications.

Why not just kick the woman while she's down, maybe tell her its all her fault while you are at it.

Why do you hate women? Didn't you say you have a daughter? Karma is a bitch you know.

Reading comprehension.

You fail at it.

Not surprising for people that are mentally deficient.

Pleasure ensure your brain cells are never passed on. Nevermind, women will ensure that.

 

[ivwshane]

Reading comprehension.

You fail at it.

Not surprising for people that are mentally deficient.

You really aren't that smart are you.

 

[HomerJS]

Not really. There are already wild inconsistencies on the legal rights we extend to the unborn. If you were to murder a pregnant woman, the family would mourn two deaths, not one. Viability is a poor threshold for personhood, as a fetus is capable of experiencing pain in the first trimester.

Abortion is a sh!tty topic for which there is no good answer. I reject the notion that a fetus is just a clump of cells. I also reject limiting abortion in absence of investments in birth control and sex education.

Mourning two is a personal decision. AFAIK no state issues 2 death certificates. Science does not state a fetus feels pain in the 1st trimester. They do in the second.
When life begins is a topic that should be left up to science not laymen or clergy. Absent that you are left with individual opinions foisted on the populous.

Example enacting laws that state fertilized eggs are a person ends up banning birth control.

 

[HomerJS]

Abortion is not wrong until it is. I'm not 100% pro-life and I'm not 100% pro-choice. I agree with abortion when there has been incest, rape, or there is a threat to the mother's health/life. Outside of those things, the further along the pregnancy gets, the more against abortion I get. I don't have any problem with early abortion, none.
I hope the governor does not sign this into law. Those who voted for it might have just slit their own political throats. Hell, even nutty Pat Robertson says it's too far.

Thing about that opinion, it is perfect for you. Get it??

 

[HomerJS]

I have a way to fight the new law in Alabama.

1. Let it come into law. Do not appeal it. Let the country see what you get in Alabama.
2. Start GoFundMe for registered Democrats in Alabama who need an abortion so they can travel out of state if they cannot afford
3. Doctors only treat ED cases of registered Democrats.
4. Doctors only perform vasectomies for registered Democrats.

Not sure legality of 3 and 4 but make Alabama live with their decision while providing abortion finding for registered Democrats.

My guess the uproar will force a revocation of the law within a year. Also not fighting the law would keep it out of the Supreme Court

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh how comforting. Not only will the woman still have to carry her rapists baby and pay for all the medical bills associated with bringing a baby to term but there is still a chance that she could die from complications.

Why not just kick the woman while she's down, maybe tell her its all her fault while you are at it.

Why do you hate women? Didn't you say you have a daughter? Karma is a bitch you know.

Speaking of kicking when down:

Michigan rapist gets joint custody

"A Sanilac County Circuit judge has granted parenting time and joint legal custody of an 8-year-old boy to a convicted sex offender who allegedly raped the child’s mother nine years ago."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ictim-attacker-joint-child-custody/106374256/

 

[jackstar7]

No more or less difficult than other scenarios involving citizenship.

Please elaborate on how embryonic citizenship is not more difficult. I'm riveted.

 

[Viper1j]

I lean pro-life but I really think there should at least be exceptions for rape as well as medical reasoning. Like if the baby is not going to make it, and/or the mother is in danger. Then it should be legal.

I lean towards mind your own fucking business. When did half this country turn into Gladys Kravitz from Bewitched? Do people really have so little going on in their own lives that they can only make themselves feel validated by interfering in the lives of others? Against abortion? Cool. Make it a life goal to never have one. I find it ironic that if you took ANY other aspect of a person's PRIVATE life, and tried to let government regulate it, there would be riots in the street.

Who here want Uncle Sugar to issue you a wife?

Who here wants government to order you to work a particular job?

Crickets? I thought so.

Leave other people the fuck alone.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Speaking of kicking when down:

Michigan rapist gets joint custody

"A Sanilac County Circuit judge has granted parenting time and joint legal custody of an 8-year-old boy to a convicted sex offender who allegedly raped the child’s mother nine years ago."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ictim-attacker-joint-child-custody/106374256/

Holy shit that's fucked up. But hey, guess Alabama thought it was cool.

@s0me0nesmind1 , how many years did this guy spend behind bars?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Mourning two is a personal decision. AFAIK no state issues 2 death certificates. Science does not state a fetus feels pain in the 1st trimester. They do in the second.
When life begins is a topic that should be left up to science not laymen or clergy. Absent that you are left with individual opinions foisted on the populous.

Example enacting laws that state fertilized eggs are a person ends up banning birth control.

The problem with the precedence set by Roe V Wade is that its based on privacy, not science. This is why the trimester framework no longer exists in favor of viability. If science were to establish consciousness in the first trimester, then privacy becomes a secondary consideration to personhood.

What defines consciousness and personhood? Heart beat? Brain function? The ability to feel pain? Hard to say. We extend personhood to people in vegetative states. Dementia and alzheimers rob people of their identity but not their personhood.

Since we don’t know when consciousness begins, I would prefer to err on the side of caution

Eggs or sperm in and of themselves do not deserve the same protections.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Please elaborate on how embryonic citizenship is not more difficult. I'm riveted.

How is it any different than Dreamers? Most doctors are able to establish the date of conception to a high degree of accuracy. I suppose this becomes problematic if the date of entry and conception fall within a matter of days, but how many women are going to enter our country and immediately get pregnant? Some may cross within a month of getting pregnant, and those will be handled on a case by case basis.

Will there be outliers and exceptions. Of course, as is the case for most things. If only we had a system to evaluate those scenarios.

 

[Bitek]

Please explain the relevance to incels. They'll suddenly be able to get laid?? WTF?

Because no woman wants to fuck them, then no way they are having children unless they rape some woman. However, if she can abort the rape baby, then back to square one.

Now instead of just murdering women in anger, they can rape them and force them to carry their baby.

Major victory for rapists here. AL is rapist's paradise.

 

[Bitek]

No. If an incel feels the need to procreate he can just rape women until they get pregnant and he can die knowing his DNA has been passed on.

Why stop at one? Cases like these already have low report & conviction rates. Especially if the victims are young.

Oh poor 13yo girl, you got raped? Well feel God's blessing as you carry that child because Daddy's friends decided you're forced to be a mother now.

The Roy Moore Act makes it open season on AL girls.


https://www.alabamapublichealth.gov/injuryprevention/sexual-assault-and-rape.html
"According to the Rape Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN), there are approximately 321,500 (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault yearly. Of the sexual assaults that occur each year, it is estimated that only 32% are reported to law enforcement. In 80% of these cases, the victims knew or were related to the offender. According to the latest data reported by the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency's (ALEA) Crime in Alabama, 1,890 rapes were reported to law enforcement. Seventy-nine percent of these rapes were committed by someone the victims knew. Nearly 23% of these victims were between the ages of 13 and 16.

If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted, please call your local rape crisis center. View a listing of Alabama rape crisis centers."

 

[cytg111]

EDIT: Add on top of that courts that have statistically been completely sexist against fathers that wish to be a part of the kid's life - or take full custody when it was damn well obvious whom the better parent was.

You sure you not lib?

 

[ch33zw1z]

How's this for some separation of church and state?

CBS News: Alabama abortion law: Alabama just criminalized abortions for women – and every single yes vote was cast by a white man.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabam...-by-white-man-2019-05-15/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e

 

[Starbuck1975]

I lean towards mind your own fucking business. When did half this country turn into Gladys Kravitz from Bewitched. Do people really have so little going on in their own lives that they can only make themselves feel validated by interfering in the lives of others? Against abortion? Cool. Make it a life goal to never have one. I find it ironic that if you took ANY other aspect of a person's PRIVATE life, and tried to let government regulate it, there would be riots in the street.

Who here want Uncle Sugar to issue you a wife?

Who here wants government to order you to work a particular job?

Crickets? I thought so.

Leave other people the fuck alone.

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Because choice of job and the debate over the rights of an unborn child are equivalent.

 

[Bitek]

In fact, the world's terrorists should take note of this.

Instead of Al Queda hatching convoluted bomb plots, just get your guys on a plane to Alabama for a rape spree.

Buildings get rebuilt, deaths are mourned, but society moves on, even forgets.

But the town having to care for and raise your rape baby? That's a plot that lasts a lifetime...

 

[Paratus]

I’m going to hell for this one.

Spoiler

 

[Viper1j]

Because choice of job and the debate over the rights of an unborn child are equivalent.

Because privacy is privacy. Whether it's who you choose for a mate, how many children you choose to have, what kind of job you have, your medical condition, or your financial privacy. Privacy is privacy. What part of that is confusing to you?

The real irony, is that you're not even talking about YOUR privacy. I'm sure you would pitch a fit if someone posted your bank statements online, or your medical history, (which actually might be a little bit closer to the topic, since it's all medical.) You're talking about your right to interfere in the privacy of another.

And there is no such thing as an "unborn" child.

I’m going to hell for this one.

Spoiler

Oh you know that's totally right around the corner. And if the kids don't die out fast enough from that, you're going to find a whole lot a little bodies floating in the Mississippi.

 

[Viper1j]

The problem with the precedence set by Roe V Wade is that its based on privacy, not science. This is why the trimester framework no longer exists in favor of viability. If science were to establish consciousness in the first trimester, then privacy becomes a secondary consideration to personhood.

What defines consciousness and personhood? Heart beat? Brain function? The ability to feel pain? Hard to say. We extend personhood to people in vegetative states. Dementia and alzheimers rob people of their identity but not their personhood.

Since we don’t know when consciousness begins, I would prefer to err on the side of caution

Eggs or sperm in and of themselves do not deserve the same protections.

Take it out and put it on the ground. If it lives, cool.

If it doesn't, that's the biz.

There's another word for something that lives inside a body, and feeds off of it, while giving nothing back.

PARASITE

A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host.

A much more scientifically accurate depiction than "unborn child".