Alabama passed a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest

[brycejones]

Forcing the woman to have the baby in no way forces the father to be responsible for said baby.

Yeah but the dirty whore must be punished.

 

[cytg111]

So .. about that sharia law....

 

[esquared]

"Oh, Alabama
Can I see you and shake your hand?
Make friends down in Alabama
I'm from a new land
I come to you and see all this ruin
What are you doing, Alabama?
You got the rest of the Union
To help you along
What's going wrong? "

 

[ivwshane]

Of course you can view it that way, because you discount the life that is killed. The rights of the child to live.

Are you logically consistent, can a child be killed on the DAY OF their birth, simply because they haven't left the womb yet? The day before? Why not after? They cannot survive without the sacrifice of labor, of time, of vitality TAKEN from the mother. Maybe taking care of a two month old is also done against her will. Let's be consistent here, maybe child support is against the parent's will.

Is a two month preemie not a person, should the medical staff just neglect them and let nature take its course? Try telling a mother that her child is just a clump of cells because they did not reach some magical date. Or you could be consistent and admit that late term abortion is most certainly murder of a child.

So you see, there is PLENTY of grey room between conception and birth.

There is no perfect solution, there's just whatever compromise we can derive in order to keep the peace and satisfy both sides that we avoided the worst possible outcome.

Oh I'm 100% consistent, its up to the woman and her doctor to make the decision. If you think women have abortions right up until birth just for the hell of it then you are a bigger dumb ass than I thought.

Whether or not I think a clump of cells is a person or not doesn't matter one bit, its not my body, its not my decision. Whether or not I'm ok murdering an unborn child doesn't mean shit because it's not my body and I'm certainly not the one that will have to live with the consequences. Maybe to an authoritarian such as yourself it does matter and maybe you think your beliefs trump others but it doesn't in my opinion but maybe that's because I'm not a psycho.

Guess what though, I'll defend your right to not get an abortion 100% of the time. Hell, I'll even support you having access to free contraception and birth control so the chances of unwanted pregnancies is minimized, I'll even support sex education if it will help.

Meanwhile I'm sure those that are anti abortion will ignore the fact that their policies, if put in place, will result in more harm to mothers and abortions will continue. Out of sight out of mind, I guess.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm not sure why we would expect anything else from a literal shithole

https://www.google.com/search?q=ala...nt=ms-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

[jackstar7]

Incels aren't choosing not to have sex ("involuntarily celibate"). Also it's a very strange jump to assume most rapists and incels even want to procreate. Most would just want sexual gratification.

If this were true they'd avail themselves of the many avenues to that with less victimization and bullshit.

 

[ivwshane]

I disagree that there can't be a middle road, at least in terms of the philosophy regarding abortion. On the one hand, I'd say that anyone that feels that the fetus should be treated as equivalent to a person starting from the moment of conception is ludicrous. On the flip side, I'd say that anyone arguing that a fetus the day before birth is of any less moral value than a born baby is equally ludicrous. I would also contend that providing a woman 7 months time to get an abortion provides her with ample opportunity to make decisions regarding her own body. If there really were cases where women waited until the 9th month of pregnancy and then just randomly decided to have an abortion, I would actually oppose her right to do so. Just as I would oppose a woman's right to not feed a newborn child. A person's right to his or her own body does not extend to neglect of a dependent child. I would say that this is a valid argument towards the end of a pregnancy, however not at the beginning of the pregnancy.

However, it basically never happens that women just suddenly decide they don't want the baby for arbitrary reasons during the final trimester. If a woman gets an abortion because the pregnancy is unwanted, she does it as early as possible (no woman wants to go through the physical process of pregnancy). When women get late term abortions, its because either the mother's health or the health of the fetus has problems. And decisions about the appropriate course of action in such cases should be made by the woman and her doctor, not a lawyer in a courtroom.

You disagree because you straw manned the argument. The argument is whether or not a woman has the right to control their body. Hence why the "pro abortion" side is called pro choice. You either believe a woman has that right or they don't. Bringing up a hypothetical situation such as the one you did is the equivalent to anti gay marriage people saying that if you allow gays to marry then what's to stop people from marrying animals. Its ridiculous.

 

[Paratus]

For those who are interested here is an interview with a woman who had a 3rd trimester abortion at 32 weeks.

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

You might find the reason and hoops to jump through surprising.

 

[jackstar7]

Questions easily answered should SCOTUS decide that an unborn child is a person. If we grant citizenship to a child born here, not difficult at all to extend that concept to those conceived here.

Yeah? You don't see it as difficult?

You have a fascinating legal mind.

 

[Viper1j]

If nothing else, women's jails will end up mostly empty. Once a fetus obtains personhood, then due process kicks in. They just can't incarcerate a person without due process. It's a major civil rights violation. That means that the fetus must be appointed an attorney to argue for its right to be free of jail.

Things are going to get very interesting, very fast.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Forcing the woman to have the baby in no way forces the father to be responsible for said baby.

Yeah, I mean... it's just high dollar child support payments for life, no biggie.

Either that or living a fun life of trying to earn money underground through illegal means.

Sounds like such a great life. I'm so jealous of fathers that knock up random women.

EDIT: Add on top of that courts that have statistically been completely sexist against fathers that wish to be a part of the kid's life - or take full custody when it was damn well obvious whom the better parent was.

 

[mect]

You disagree because you straw manned the argument. The argument is whether or not a woman has the right to control their body. Hence why the "pro abortion" side is called pro choice. You either believe a woman has that right or they don't. Bringing up a hypothetical situation such as the one you did is the equivalent to anti gay marriage people saying that if you allow gays to marry then what's to stop people from marrying animals. Its ridiculous.

Sorry, I forgot who I was responding to. You are the left's equivalent of SlowSpyder.

 

[Viper1j]

Yeah, I mean... it's just high dollar child support payments for life, no biggie.

Either that or living a fun life of trying to earn money underground through illegal means.

Sounds like such a great life. I'm so jealous of fathers that knock up random women.

You assume that the woman knows who daddy is. Ever seen the Baby Daddy show?

 

[GoodRevrnd]

From what I understand, I believe I heard that one of these laws does recognize the fetus as a person and does extend such things as tax credits and welfare.

I'm going to move to that state and claim my wife is in a permanent cycle of carrying and miscarrying sextuplets.

 

[ivwshane]

Sorry, I forgot who I was responding to. You are the left's equivalent of SlowSpyder.

Lol

Its hard to argue against someone's actual position isn't it.

Fuck your feels

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah? You don't see it as difficult?

You have a fascinating legal mind.

No more or less difficult than other scenarios involving citizenship.

 

[compuwiz1]

Abortion is not wrong until it is. I'm not 100% pro-life and I'm not 100% pro-choice. I agree with abortion when there has been incest, rape, or there is a threat to the mother's health/life. Outside of those things, the further along the pregnancy gets, the more against abortion I get. I don't have any problem with early abortion, none.
I hope the governor does not sign this into law. Those who voted for it might have just slit their own political throats. Hell, even nutty Pat Robertson says it's too far.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I lean pro-life but I really think there should at least be exceptions for rape as well as medical reasoning. Like if the baby is not going to make it, and/or the mother is in danger. Then it should be legal.

 

[UNCjigga]

Abortion is not wrong until it is. I'm not 100% pro-life and I'm not 100% pro-choice. I agree with abortion when there has been incest, rape, or there is a threat to the mother's health/life. Outside of those things, the further along the pregnancy gets, the more against abortion I get. I don't have any problem with early abortion, none.
I hope the governor does not sign this into law. Those who voted for it might have just slit their own political throats. Hell, even nutty Pat Robertson says it's too far.

She signed it. So much for conservatives being Constitutionalists. The modern GOP platform is basically shitting on the rights of anyone who isn’t a rich white male.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I lean pro-life but I really think there should at least be exceptions for rape as well as medical reasoning. Like if the baby is not going to make it, and/or the mother is in danger. Then it should be legal.

Yeah mostly agree here as well.

I'm... ahem... pro-life myself, but I don't really care what other people do with their own morals. My morals aren't your morals, feel free to kill your baby - regardless of it being for medical reasons, incest or otherwise.

I will definitely say - after having my own kid prematurely @ 26-weeks old, that definitely changed me a bit.

 

[ivwshane]

Abortion is not wrong until it is. I'm not 100% pro-life and I'm not 100% pro-choice. I agree with abortion when there has been incest, rape, or there is a threat to the mother's health/life. Outside of those things, the further along the pregnancy gets, the more against abortion I get. I don't have any problem with early abortion, none.
I hope the governor does not sign this into law. Those who voted for it might have just slit their own political throats. Hell, even nutty Pat Robertson says it's too far.

I lean pro-life but I really think there should at least be exceptions for rape as well as medical reasoning. Like if the baby is not going to make it, and/or the mother is in danger. Then it should be legal.

Neither of those positions make any sense. Why is it ok to murder a fetus just because of how it was created? Is it not the life of the innocent fetus you are trying to protect? Are babies created from rape less innocent than those created from consent?

Why is it ok to kill a fetus early on but not later? Are both not sacred to you?

 

[UberNeuman]

I will definitely say - after having my own kid prematurely @ 26-weeks old, that definitely changed me a bit.

A moron that tosses the word "cuck" around. Big change. lol.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

A moron that tosses the word "cuck" around. Big change. lol.

Lol when I say "changed me a bit" did you think I meant emotionally or something?

I mean it changed my perception of what I thought a 26 week old baby was or could do. They are no mere tiny cell that can't survive.

Don't worry, you're still cucking along as an incel

 

[brycejones]

Incels aren't choosing not to have sex ("involuntarily celibate")

Listen to this man he is an expert in this field.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

This just seem like a mess. Friggin' Pat Robertson says it went too far. Its proponents just want to get it to the supreme court, but they're being so blatant about it that the court might just punt and refuse to hear it, instead letting a lower court ruling stand.