Al-Zawahri Calls Bush a 'Butcher' in New Video

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

Yeah, to hell with the facts. Your personal political agenda is what we ought to believe.

It'd be best to admit your fallacy and save some grace.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

I think it's laughable you don't understand that any benefit gained by removing a tyrant was negated by destroying their infrastructure, job market, gas price stability, etc. Yes, we removed the boogeyman in Baghdad. But we also killed 30,000 civilians, injured countless more, and destroyed any continuity the average citizen had in their everyday lives.

What would happen to you if you had electricity for 6 hours a day, had to pay $8/gallon for gas, and had your relatives house bombed with them inside? Well at least without electricity we wouldn't have to listen to your nonsense about how much better the Iraqis are now.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

Yeah, to hell with the facts. Your personal political agenda is what we ought to believe.

It'd be best to admit your fallacy and save some grace.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think the facts tend to back Pabster up. If not the facts, at least the Iraqis perception of the facts. At the very least, they are confident that things WILL be better.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
This one don't
Baghdad Burning

Come back when you can do better than liberal blog posts to make a point. Thanks.

LOL

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[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

I think it's laughable you don't understand that any benefit gained by removing a tyrant was negated by destroying their infrastructure, job market, gas price stability, etc. Yes, we removed the boogeyman in Baghdad. But we also killed 30,000 civilians, injured countless more, and destroyed any continuity the average citizen had in their everyday lives.

What would happen to you if you had electricity for 6 hours a day, had to pay $8/gallon for gas, and had your relatives house bombed with them inside? Well at least without electricity we wouldn't have to listen to your nonsense about how much better the Iraqis are now.

"Mr. President, I would like to share this thought with all our nation and everybody who is questioning what happened to the chemical weapons. Saddam burned 4,500 villagers. I lost more than 10 members of my family under the ground. We found their bones after, when we freed Iraq. Saddam, himself, and his people, his followers, they are chemical weapons. Please stop questioning the administration and their decision. It was the best decision anybody could take. Freeing 27 million people."

seems as though Saddam was known for destroying buildings, homes, lives.

of course the Iraqi people will have to rebuild, and we will help. that is just the way of war. in the long run they will be better off.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

You will find that most here are bitter, cynical and devoid of hope.

With that I have to head to bed, good night

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

I think it's laughable you don't understand that any benefit gained by removing a tyrant was negated by destroying their infrastructure, job market, gas price stability, etc. Yes, we removed the boogeyman in Baghdad. But we also killed 30,000 civilians, injured countless more, and destroyed any continuity the average citizen had in their everyday lives.

What would happen to you if you had electricity for 6 hours a day, had to pay $8/gallon for gas, and had your relatives house bombed with them inside? Well at least without electricity we wouldn't have to listen to your nonsense about how much better the Iraqis are now.

"Mr. President, I would like to share this thought with all our nation and everybody who is questioning what happened to the chemical weapons. Saddam burned 4,500 villagers. I lost more than 10 members of my family under the ground. We found their bones after, when we freed Iraq. Saddam, himself, and his people, his followers, they are chemical weapons. Please stop questioning the administration and their decision. It was the best decision anybody could take. Freeing 27 million people."

seems as though Saddam was known for destroying buildings, homes, lives.

of course the Iraqi people will have to rebuild, and we will help. that is just the way of war. in the long run they will be better off.

In the long run, they'd be better off if they themselves had removed Saddam. There is no better explaination of why this is so than LMK's speech protesting the war in Vietnam. You can read it here...

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/speeches/Beyond_Vietnam.pdf

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

You will find that most here are bitter, cynical and devoid of hope.

With that I have to head to bed, good night

i know. i have my work cut out for me. baby steps....

good night.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

But you alone do not make the decision of sending our sons to Iraq. And again, that's not the reason we were told for going over there.

Is this your definition of humanity? Look at all our humanitarian work.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

But you alone do not make the decision of sending our sons to Iraq. And again, that's not the reason we were told for going over there.

what was the reason again?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

But you alone do not make the decision of sending our sons to Iraq. And again, that's not the reason we were told for going over there.

what was the reason again?

WMD's. Not surpised you forgot though.

 

[bamacre]

Mosh, here are photos of humanitarians at work...

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[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

But you alone do not make the decision of sending our sons to Iraq. And again, that's not the reason we were told for going over there.

what was the reason again?

WMD's. Not surpised you forgot though.

nah, i didn't forget that that was the final straw that pushed us to go in.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

And I again, say, it's laughable that you think it matters. Americans were not sold on the war for bringing Democracy to Iraq.

I cannot stress that enough. It was the American voters' decision to invade Iraq. And their decision to spend billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, the lives of our soldiers, was not based on bringing a better life to Iraqi's, it was to make American lives more safe. That's why people made their decision to allow the invasion, to send their family members over there. It's like we all ordered a pizza, were given a bolgna sandwich, and you all claim it's ok, because we aren't hungry anymore.

it matters to me because i am a humanitarian. so shoot me.

Wow, our intention over there is not one of humanity, that's for sure.

those are my intentions.

"someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms [syn: do-gooder, improver]"

But you alone do not make the decision of sending our sons to Iraq. And again, that's not the reason we were told for going over there.

what was the reason again?

WMD's. Not surpised you forgot though.

nah, i didn't forget that that was the final straw that pushed us to go in.

Pfftt, final straw? Jees, come on Mosh.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: bamacre
Wrong. I'm a Republican, and a Christian. I just don't have my head in the sand. Nor my foot in my mouth.

I don't give two thumbs about your affiliation or your religion. Calling the President a "butcher" and comparing him to Ayman Al Zawahri is ridiculous.

Sorry, that I insulted your Lord and Savior, Pabby.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
of course the Iraqi people will have to rebuild, and we will help. that is just the way of war. in the long run they will be better off.

And you know that because...you have first hand experience of living in a war zone?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
of course the Iraqi people will have to rebuild, and we will help. that is just the way of war. in the long run they will be better off.

What do you mean "we"? "We" have plenty of our own problems so "they" better get their heads out of their butts and get that oil pumping faster if they want any help from me.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade
of course the Iraqi people will have to rebuild, and we will help. that is just the way of war. in the long run they will be better off.

And you know that because...you have first hand experience of living in a war zone?

and you question me because you have first hand experience of living in a war zone?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
And you conveniently ignore the countless THOUSANDS freed from torture chambers, rape rooms, and prison cells. How many lives have been saved? Of course, such facts belittle you, with your political agenda.

And you conveniently slide by THOUSANDS of Americans and TENS of THOUSANDS of Iraqis who wouldn't have died in the first place. Saddam wasn't anyone's nice guy, but those who died at the hands of his regime are no more or less dead than those who died as a result of terrorist acts by Al Qaeda or as a direct consequense of the Bushwhackos' war based on lies.

Those deaths are on thier hands, and the question in all of these cases is the justification for the acts that caused them. That makes Bush as much a butcher as Al-Zawahri or Saddam.

It isn't an OR condition. In their own ways, Al Qaeda, Saddam and Bush are all guilty of causing thousands of needless deaths.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
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Al-Qaida's deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri called U.S. President George W. Bush a "butcher" and a "failure" in a videotape aired on Arab television Monday, his first appearance since an American airstrike that targeted him this month in Pakistan. Al-Zawahri, shown in the video wearing white robes and a white turban, said the Jan. 13 airstrike killed "innocents" and said the United States had ignored an offer from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden for a truce. Butcher of Washington, you are not only defeated and a liar, but also a failure. You are a curse on your own nation," he said, referring to Bush. "Bush, do you know where I am? I am among the Muslim masses." The airstrike hit a building in the eastern Pakistan village of Damadola, killing four al-Qaida leaders. Thirteen villagers were also killed in the strike, angering many Pakistanis.

What a thug. Perhaps your buddy Mohammed Atta is a butcher.

Now if there ever was a more clear-cut case of pot calling kettle black...

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: EatSpam


Frankly, I think that's because the United States lacks credibility among the Muslims in the region. We support Israel, right or wrong. We support people like Hussein, and the Taliban then totally reverse our position when we need a bogeyman.

If you were a Muslim who wanted peace, would you trust the United States? I wouldn't.

No, I would trust Muslim clerics that preach hateful rhetoric towards the western world and want to spread fundamentalist theory that will drive back society to the middle ages.
I would trust the "Muslim" media that uses conspiracy theories as a basis for fact. Even better I would probably trust people like Eatspam on Internet message boards that spew the same silly excuses everytime a peace loving terrorist is criticized or has something to say.

Why is everything so black and white with you? I wouldn't trust the clerics either.

That's the problem a peace loving Muslim runs into. On one hand, they have the crazy clerics, bent on spreading jihad. On the other hand, they have greedy, imperialistic Americans (not all Americans, just the ones in power), like Bush, who will screw them over in a second if it furthers their oil interests. From the perspective of a Middle Eastern Muslim, who would you pick?

Thats why we can't infiltrate Al Queda...