Al-Zawahri Calls Bush a 'Butcher' in New Video

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: bamacre
Wrong. I'm a Republican, and a Christian. I just don't have my head in the sand. Nor my foot in my mouth.

I don't give two thumbs about your affiliation or your religion. Calling the President a "butcher" and comparing him to Ayman Al Zawahri is ridiculous.

You're right, Zawahri can only dream of shedding as much civilian blood. What are we at now, 30,000 dead Iraqi civilians? 10X the death toll of 9/11?

But of course, you have your blinders on because 9/11 was in NY and dead Iraqi children are halfway across the globe.

It's the difference between retail and wholesale.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
But of course, you have your blinders on because 9/11 was in NY and dead Iraqi children are halfway across the globe.

And you conveniently ignore the countless THOUSANDS freed from torture chambers, rape rooms, and prison cells. How many lives have been saved? Of course, such facts belittle you, with your political agenda.

If it were up to you, how many THOUSANDS would be dead ... and would you care about them? I've got a pretty good idea...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
But of course, you have your blinders on because 9/11 was in NY and dead Iraqi children are halfway across the globe.

And you conveniently ignore the countless THOUSANDS freed from torture chambers, rape rooms, and prison cells. How many lives have been saved? Of course, such facts belittle you, with your political agenda.

If it were up to you, how many THOUSANDS would be dead ... and would you care about them? I've got a pretty good idea...

Bwahahahaha :laugh:

Torture chambers and prison cells? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqis imprisoned and being held without charge? What about the admitted prison abuse, torture, and "accidental" death of detainees?

Please tell us Pabster, how many have been saved? Surely more than the 30,000 we killed right?

I say its a wash. An American tyrant overthrew an Iraqi tyrant. But at least the Iraqi tyrant provided more than 6 hours of electricity per day in a desert climate, didn't set records in national unemployment, didn't quadruple the price of gasoline for people that could barely afford it as is.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
But of course, you have your blinders on because 9/11 was in NY and dead Iraqi children are halfway across the globe.

And you conveniently ignore the countless THOUSANDS freed from torture chambers, rape rooms, and prison cells. How many lives have been saved? Of course, such facts belittle you, with your political agenda.

If it were up to you, how many THOUSANDS would be dead ... and would you care about them? I've got a pretty good idea...

The same way you care about the thousands in China, NK, Saudi Arabia, etc. Your logic is not. We were not sold on the invasion of Iraq with "bringing democracy" to Iraq, we were sold on WMD and UN resolutions.

If Bush and Co., would like to use OUR sons, fathers, etc., to bring democracy to other lands, then THAT is what we need to be told as the reason. Because in the end, it is OUR decsion whether the USA wants to send OUR families to "bring democracy" to other countries.

And you know damn well that's NOT what happened, that's NOT what we were told.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i wonder what the world would be like if women were in charge....

and before you attack me for that statement ask yourself how well things are going with men in charge.

Everything would be fine for the first 20 days untill the Presidential PMS attack, after that all bets are off.. Massive nuclear warfare would be me prediction

ok... then the women in charge would have to post menopausal = no PMS

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i wonder what the world would be like if women were in charge....

and before you attack me for that statement ask yourself how well things are going with men in charge.

There would be very little war, but everyone would really, REALLY hate each other until the end of time and spend a lot of time trying to undermine everyone else in cruel, yet subtle, ways. Instead of invading Iraq, we would just spread viscious rumors about them.

Seriously though, women are DIFFERENT than men when it comes to leadership, but that doesn't mean they are better. We might not have all the same exact problems, but we'd still have problems.

true, there could never be a perfect world, but i'd like to give my idea a go.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bwahahahaha :laugh:

Figures a liberal would laugh at the idea of women being raped en masse, mass graves, and full torture chambers.

Torture chambers and prison cells? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqis imprisoned and being held without charge? What about the admitted prison abuse, torture, and "accidental" death of detainees?

You must be one of those big supporters of civil liberties for enemy combatants.

Fortunately, we don't treat them like Saddam treated his. (Despite the MSM's best attempts to wish it so.)

I say its a wash. An American tyrant overthrew an Iraqi tyrant. But at least the Iraqi tyrant provided more than 6 hours of electricity per day in a desert climate, didn't set records in national unemployment, didn't quadruple the price of gasoline for people that could barely afford it as is.

Here we go again. Another liberal who can't see the trees from the forest. Do you assert that the Iraqi people (and the world) are not better off with Saddam gone?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Here we go again. Another liberal who can't see the trees from the forest. Do you assert that the Iraqi people (and the world) are not better off with Saddam gone?

this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

Hello, Mr. President. I am an American Iraqi Kurd. I would like to salute you and salute all the troops are freeing 27 million people. They are free. (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.

Q Mr. President, I would like to share this thought with all our nation and everybody who is questioning what happened to the chemical weapons. Saddam burned 4,500 villagers. I lost more than 10 members of my family under the ground. We found their bones after, when we freed Iraq. Saddam, himself, and his people, his followers, they are chemical weapons. Please stop questioning the administration and their decision. It was the best decision anybody could take. Freeing 27 million people. (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, this is a question and answer period.

Q Mr. President --

THE PRESIDENT: I hate to cut you off. You're on a roll, but what's the question?

Q Mr. President, all I could tell you, I have two members of my family, they are in the Iraqi parliament. And both of them are women. My sister-in-law and my aunt, they are in the Iraqi parliament. And I would like you to share this happiness with me and with all the Iraqi people. Thank you, Mr. President. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060123-4.html

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Here we go again. Another liberal who can't see the trees from the forest. Do you assert that the Iraqi people (and the world) are not better off with Saddam gone?

Doesn't matter. And you fail to see this. Removing Saddam with OUR families is OUR decision, and no one else's. Again, removing Saddam was NOT what the American voters were sold on in invading Iraq.

It's like telling people you are collecting money for kids who have cancer, and then giving all that money to the homeless. Are the homeless better off? Yeah, but it's still a felony act.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

The liberals won't mention that particular interaction.

All the opinion polls I've seen from Iraq show that the majority feel they are better off, and are at least somewhat hopeful of a better future for Iraq with Saddam gone.

The pessimists seem to be, not coincedentally, frustrated liberals seeking for campaign material.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

The liberals won't mention that particular interaction.

All the opinion polls I've seen from Iraq show that the majority feel they are better off, and are at least somewhat hopeful of a better future for Iraq with Saddam gone.

The pessimists seem to be, not coincedentally, frustrated liberals seeking for campaign material.

Funny, all I've seen are polls showing the opposite... the optimists, not coincidentally, seem to be conservatives grasping for whatever optimistic view they could find...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bwahahahaha :laugh:

Figures a liberal would laugh at the idea of women being raped en masse, mass graves, and full torture chambers.

Torture chambers and prison cells? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqis imprisoned and being held without charge? What about the admitted prison abuse, torture, and "accidental" death of detainees?

You must be one of those big supporters of civil liberties for enemy combatants.

Fortunately, we don't treat them like Saddam treated his. (Despite the MSM's best attempts to wish it so.)

I say its a wash. An American tyrant overthrew an Iraqi tyrant. But at least the Iraqi tyrant provided more than 6 hours of electricity per day in a desert climate, didn't set records in national unemployment, didn't quadruple the price of gasoline for people that could barely afford it as is.

Here we go again. Another liberal who can't see the trees from the forest. Do you assert that the Iraqi people (and the world) are not better off with Saddam gone?

You tell me. Is the average Iraqi civilian who can't keep their food fresh because their fridge turns off every few hours, who can't buy gas because its four times more expensive...do they think they are better off? I mean, I'm sure you have a better idea than they do because you're sitting on a computer with no clue what its like to live in the desert without power.

The fact is you have no clue at all. You have some wacky idea that Saddam was a guy who had nothing better to do than torture the entire country simultaneously. You can't get it past your head that we've killed more civilians per year since the war began than Saddam did. You can't understand that for the average citizen, things like roof over their head, food for their family, a job, affordable resources, are much more important than some invisible concept an American behind a desk calls "freedom".

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

The liberals won't mention that particular interaction.

All the opinion polls I've seen from Iraq show that the majority feel they are better off, and are at least somewhat hopeful of a better future for Iraq with Saddam gone.

The pessimists seem to be, not coincedentally, frustrated liberals seeking for campaign material.

Funny, all I've seen are polls showing the opposite... the optimists, not coincidentally, seem to be conservatives grasping for whatever optimistic view they could find...

could you link us to these polls?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

I'm sure you were cheerleading during the President's live TV video conference with our troops as well. That too was definitely not pre-screened :roll:

I'm sure you'll be ready with your praise once Bush rolls into town.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yay, thank yoo Meestur Boosh for fighting terrar!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

I'm sure you were cheerleading during the President's live TV video conference with our troops as well. That too was definitely not pre-screened :roll:

I'm sure you'll be ready with your praise once Bush rolls into town.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yay, thank yoo Meestur Boosh for fighting terrar!

whatever. i thought it was nice to hear from an Iraqi citizen like that.

why is it so hard to believe her feelings aren't genuine?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

I'm sure you were cheerleading during the President's live TV video conference with our troops as well. That too was definitely not pre-screened :roll:

I'm sure you'll be ready with your praise once Bush rolls into town.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yay, thank yoo Meestur Boosh for fighting terrar!

whatever. i thought it was nice to hear from an Iraqi citizen like that.

why is it so hard to believe her feelings aren't genuine?

If Iraqis are throwing roses, why aren't we seeing them on the streets of Baghdad?

Kind of easy to throw roses when you're in America, isn't it?

"Please don't question this administration". I see you've taken her advice to heart. Don't question Bush, he is our supreme leader and he is always right. Yay Meestur Boosh!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

I'm sure you were cheerleading during the President's live TV video conference with our troops as well. That too was definitely not pre-screened :roll:

I'm sure you'll be ready with your praise once Bush rolls into town.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yay, thank yoo Meestur Boosh for fighting terrar!

whatever. i thought it was nice to hear from an Iraqi citizen like that.

why is it so hard to believe her feelings aren't genuine?

If Iraqis are throwing roses, why aren't we seeing them on the streets of Baghdad?

Kind of easy to throw roses when you're in America, isn't it?

"Please don't question this administration". I see you've taken her advice to heart. Don't question Bush, he is our supreme leader and he is always right. Yay Meestur Boosh!

you could just comment without all the drama.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

I hope you're right but I don't know if you have read enough about the whole subject.

Iranian involvement in the insurgency and the ongoing Iranian nuclear crisis are a much greater threat to civilization, whether it be in Europe, India, Israel, America, Russia, Japan or anywhere else.

Nuclear arms in the hands of religious extremists is what we fought this war to prevent yet they will still get their hands on it we don't intervene in Iran now. I can't help but think we picked the wrong target.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Pabster

And you conveniently ignore the countless THOUSANDS freed from torture chambers, rape rooms, and prison cells. How many lives have been saved? Of course, such facts belittle you, with your political agenda.

If it were up to you, how many THOUSANDS would be dead ... and would you care about them? I've got a pretty good idea...

Text

In 2001 the prison is thought to have held as many as 15,000 inmates.

On December 4, 2005, Reuters reported that according to John Pace, human rights chief for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI), those held in Abu Ghraib prison were among an estimated 14,000 people imprisoned in violation of UN Resolution 1546. According to Pace,

All [prisoners in Iraq] except those held by the Ministry of Justice are, technically speaking, held against the law because the Ministry of Justice is the only authority that is empowered by law to detain, to hold anybody in prison.

Well there's a thousand less anyways...

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this Iraqi person definitely feels she is better off:

This one don't
Baghdad Burning

t makes one wonder when Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest will have their day, as the accused, in court

I intend to spend the rest of the night reading about Bush?s ?strategy? for Iraq. I haven?t seen it yet, but I expect it?ll be a repetition of the nonsense he?s been spewing for two and a half years now. Don?t Americans get tired of hearing the same thing?

[/quote]Note: I was tempted to stamp all the ?after? pictures with ?AMERICANS DID NOT RECONSTRUCT THIS? as I know that in a month some clueless Republican will send them back to me with the words, ?Look at how we reconstructed your country!?.[/quote]

btw look at those numbers

According to reports and statistics made by the ?Iraqi Reconstruction Bureau? and the ministries involved in reconstruction, prior to the 2003 war/occupation, the following damage was done through 42 days of continuous bombing, and various acts of vandalism:

Schools and scholastic facilities ? 3960
Universities, labs, dormitories ? 40
Health facilities (including hospitals, clinics, medical warehouses) ? 421
Telephone operators, communication towers, etc. ? 475
Bridges, buildings, housing complexes ? 260
Warehouses, shopping centers, grain silos ? 251
Churches and mosques ? 159
Dams, water pumping stations, agricultural facilities ? 200
Petroleum facilities (including refineries) ? 145
General services (shelters, sewage treatment plants, municipalities) - 830
Factories, mines, industrial facilities - 120

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Again, what a laughable notion, that they are better off now with their country and infrastructure in shambles than they were when they had all the things necessary for day-to-day life.

i think it's laughable that you think they are better off under Hussein.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: moshquerade
could you link us to these polls?

Gladly.

Here(PDF) is the liberals' favorite BBC Mid-December 2005. A rather thorough report.

i see optimism, hope, and a feeling of being better off in their answers.
there is still a war going on in their country. it's still a scary time at present, but it is definitely better as compared to when they were under a dictator's rule.

Agreed, but I also see a lack of trust in the US forces in Iraq. While Iraqis see a better future for themselves and their country, they don't see that future really coming from us. In other words, while their seem to be somewhat optimistic, I'm not sure we can take credit for it.

Edit: I'm looking at Q31 in particular, almost 60% say the US and our coalition partners have done either "quite a bad job" or "a very bad job" carrying out our responsibilities. And the next one says that 65% oppose our presence there.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
This one don't
Baghdad Burning

Come back when you can do better than liberal blog posts to make a point. Thanks.