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XMan

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
And? So he's not the greatest dude. His behavior doesn't invalidate his points.

I guess that means Rush Limbaugh has a point about drug addicts, then. ;)
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
& how can you monitor how much electricity his home is using?

If you read the quotes you'd know.

& where does it say how they obtained that information?

Hell if such records are public I'll go stalk my neighbors.

Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

Why do I have to repost this quote, it's right there.

So you are saying that the electric company is going around telling the media about Al Gore's electric usage?

I'm saying that's the source for the info.

According to who?

Show me a press release by the electric company.

Wtf is your problem? Are you saying they aren't the source, are you saying the info is made up? Even when articles name their sources, you STILL don't believe them. What probably happened is that someone that works at NES told them how much electricity Al Gore uses.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
& how can you monitor how much electricity his home is using?

If you read the quotes you'd know.

& where does it say how they obtained that information?

Hell if such records are public I'll go stalk my neighbors.

Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

Why do I have to repost this quote, it's right there.

So you are saying that the electric company is going around telling the media about Al Gore's electric usage?

I'm saying that's the source for the info.

According to who?

Show me a press release by the electric company.

Wtf is your problem? Are you saying they aren't the source, are you saying the info is made up? Even when articles name their sources, you STILL don't believe them. What probably happened is that someone that works at NES told them how much electricity Al Gore uses.

The more likely scenario is, someone went to NES with an address(Al Gores) and asked for the records of that address. Since NES is a public entity and operated by the city/county government, its records are open to the public. Though, any names are probably marked out etc.
 

IGBT

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..he's a mouth piece for eco-alarmisit with their Convenient Deception agenda.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
So what is the point of your post? Are you disputing the amount of energy that Al Gore consumes? Are you defending an obvious hypocrite?
I can't dispute the matter of Gore's electricity bill because I have no info about it. Assuming the actual reported dollar amount is true, how do you presume to judge it without knowing how many people work work there, every day and what activities are supported, there on a regular basis.

I don't know, but I'd sure want to know before I give more than zero credibility to Drudge or any other right wing mouthpiece with a known agenda to smear anyone who could upset the current money stream from those who profit from pollution generators.
You guys love to go after the religious right when one of them is caught doing something that goes against their Christian values, how is this any different?
Considering the agenda of war and lies that's been sold to us under the banner of "Christian values" and who's been doing the selling, it strikes me that the phrase is an oxymoron. :laugh:
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
So what is the point of your post? Are you disputing the amount of energy that Al Gore consumes? Are you defending an obvious hypocrite?
I can't dispute the matter of Gore's electricity bill because I have no info about it. Assuming the actual reported dollar amount is true, how do you presume to judge it without knowing how many people work work there, every day and what activities are supported, there on a regular basis.

I don't know, but I'd sure want to know before I give more than zero credibility to Drudge or any other right wing mouthpiece with a known agenda to smear anyone who could upset the current money stream from those who profit from pollution generators.
You guys love to go after the religious right when one of them is caught doing something that goes against their Christian values, how is this any different?
Considering the agenda of war and lies that's been sold to us under the banner of "Christian values" and who's been doing the selling, it strikes me that the phrase is an oxymoron. :laugh:


More deflection and spinning, bringing up the right instead of addressing the topic at hand, par for the course Harvey. :laugh:
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: ntdz
http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

You gotta love this, he tells Americans to conserve energy at home while he's using 20 times more electricity that them at his own home.

Wow, the guy isn't even running this time and he has the GOP tripping over themselves already, again. BTW - you might want to do a little reading about his offsets etc but I am not holding my breath that you will. I wonder what sh!t they will post over at Sludge when he wins the NPP?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
More deflection and spinning, bringing up the right instead of addressing the topic at hand, par for the course Harvey. :laugh:
You asked what my point was, and I answered your question. Kiss my ass, and FOAD! :laugh:
 

Tab

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I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Al Gore is just doing anything he can to be in the spotlight.

He isn't clogging up ATPN with bad threads at least.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

So basically, unless he is living in a cave and walking to and from, he can't have a message and try and raise awarness to a real problem facing our planet. Got it.

:roll:
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

So basically, unless he is living in a cave and walking to and from, he can't have a message and try and raise awarness to a real problem facing our planet. Got it.

:roll:

So in your world, you can either live in a mansion, fly in jets and drive SUVs or live in a cave and just walk? Did you know that there are other options?

 

Tab

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?

The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?

The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?


What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?

BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.

I'm guessing his cost/benfit ratio is way ahead of yours. :laugh:
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?

The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?


What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?

BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.

:confused:

Why should it matter? He's a wealthy man and I don't why anyone shouldn't be able to enjoy what they've earned. Do you think he should be living in a small 3 bedroom house? I feel like I am repeating myself but the above average power consumption isn't the issuse it's the nature of the use. Gore's adding solar panels to his house and is paying extra for for the use of cleaner fuels.

JD50, it seems that you do care about Gore and a bit too much at that. If your issuse with him is global warming thats fine, but that's a seperate issuse.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.

I'm guessing his cost/benfit ratio is way ahead of yours. :laugh:

Ah, I see, he can do whatever he wants because he has spread the word on global warming. Whatever happened to leading by example?

Edit - would you defend a priest that has helped countless people, and raised millions of dollars that go to charity, but has molested a few kids? I mean, he improved the lives of so many right? Maybe you could do your "math exercise" on that one and see how it works out.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.


I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?

The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?


What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?

BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.

:confused:

Why should it matter? He's a wealthy man and I don't why anyone shouldn't be able to enjoy what they've earned. Do you think he should be living in a small 3 bedroom house? I feel like I am repeating myself but the above average power consumption isn't the issuse it's the nature of the use. Gore's adding solar panels to his house and is paying extra for for the use of cleaner fuels.

JD50, it seems that you do care about Gore and a bit too much at that. If your issuse with him is global warming thats fine, but that's a seperate issuse.

And I feel like I am repeating myself, I am tired of the do as I say not as I do crowd. I don't care how much energy he wastes, consumes, etc. I do care that he is trying to shove his global warming agenda down all of our throats when he is doing the very thing that he preaches against.