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Originally posted by: blackllotus
And? So he's not the greatest dude. His behavior doesn't invalidate his points.
I guess that means Rush Limbaugh has a point about drug addicts, then.
Originally posted by: blackllotus
And? So he's not the greatest dude. His behavior doesn't invalidate his points.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
& how can you monitor how much electricity his home is using?
If you read the quotes you'd know.
& where does it say how they obtained that information?
Hell if such records are public I'll go stalk my neighbors.
Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
Why do I have to repost this quote, it's right there.
So you are saying that the electric company is going around telling the media about Al Gore's electric usage?
I'm saying that's the source for the info.
According to who?
Show me a press release by the electric company.
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
& how can you monitor how much electricity his home is using?
If you read the quotes you'd know.
& where does it say how they obtained that information?
Hell if such records are public I'll go stalk my neighbors.
Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
Why do I have to repost this quote, it's right there.
So you are saying that the electric company is going around telling the media about Al Gore's electric usage?
I'm saying that's the source for the info.
According to who?
Show me a press release by the electric company.
Wtf is your problem? Are you saying they aren't the source, are you saying the info is made up? Even when articles name their sources, you STILL don't believe them. What probably happened is that someone that works at NES told them how much electricity Al Gore uses.
I can't dispute the matter of Gore's electricity bill because I have no info about it. Assuming the actual reported dollar amount is true, how do you presume to judge it without knowing how many people work work there, every day and what activities are supported, there on a regular basis.Originally posted by: JD50
So what is the point of your post? Are you disputing the amount of energy that Al Gore consumes? Are you defending an obvious hypocrite?
Considering the agenda of war and lies that's been sold to us under the banner of "Christian values" and who's been doing the selling, it strikes me that the phrase is an oxymoron. :laugh:You guys love to go after the religious right when one of them is caught doing something that goes against their Christian values, how is this any different?
Originally posted by: Harvey
I can't dispute the matter of Gore's electricity bill because I have no info about it. Assuming the actual reported dollar amount is true, how do you presume to judge it without knowing how many people work work there, every day and what activities are supported, there on a regular basis.Originally posted by: JD50
So what is the point of your post? Are you disputing the amount of energy that Al Gore consumes? Are you defending an obvious hypocrite?
I don't know, but I'd sure want to know before I give more than zero credibility to Drudge or any other right wing mouthpiece with a known agenda to smear anyone who could upset the current money stream from those who profit from pollution generators.
Considering the agenda of war and lies that's been sold to us under the banner of "Christian values" and who's been doing the selling, it strikes me that the phrase is an oxymoron. :laugh:You guys love to go after the religious right when one of them is caught doing something that goes against their Christian values, how is this any different?
Originally posted by: ntdz
http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm
Gore?s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.
You gotta love this, he tells Americans to conserve energy at home while he's using 20 times more electricity that them at his own home.
You asked what my point was, and I answered your question. Kiss my ass, and FOAD! :laugh:Originally posted by: JD50
More deflection and spinning, bringing up the right instead of addressing the topic at hand, par for the course Harvey. :laugh:
Originally posted by: nutxo
Al Gore is just doing anything he can to be in the spotlight.
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848
Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
So basically, unless he is living in a cave and walking to and from, he can't have a message and try and raise awarness to a real problem facing our planet. Got it.
:roll:
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.
Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.
Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?
The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?
Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.
Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?
The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?
What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
I'm guessing his cost/benfit ratio is way ahead of yours. :laugh:
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?
All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.
I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.
Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.
The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.
Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?
The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?
What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.
Why should it matter? He's a wealthy man and I don't why anyone shouldn't be able to enjoy what they've earned. Do you think he should be living in a small 3 bedroom house? I feel like I am repeating myself but the above average power consumption isn't the issuse it's the nature of the use. Gore's adding solar panels to his house and is paying extra for for the use of cleaner fuels.
JD50, it seems that you do care about Gore and a bit too much at that. If your issuse with him is global warming thats fine, but that's a seperate issuse.
Yeah, all I see is a bunch of selectively illiterate people in this thread.Originally posted by: Balt
So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.
