Al Gore

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.

Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.

I'm guessing his cost/benfit ratio is way ahead of yours. :laugh:

Gore inventing the internet allowed me to read your brilliant posts on ATPN, that benefit more than makes up his contribution to global warming.

 

[Theb]

Originally posted by: glenn1
link

QFT

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
Ah, I see, he can do whatever he wants because he has spread the word on global warming. Whatever happened to leading by example?

You can read whatever you want into my posts, regardless of what I actually said. It wasn't my job to make you functionally literate. :laugh:

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.

Starting from your own point of view, here's a little math exercise for you. Take the amount of his electric bill, and divide it into the sum of the benefit he's done for humanity with his work and the money he's raised to support it. Then, do the same for your own electric bill and the value of everything you've done for the environment and the money you've raised or donated to such causes.

I'm guessing his cost/benfit ratio is way ahead of yours. :laugh:

Ah, I see, he can do whatever he wants because he has spread the word on global warming. Whatever happened to leading by example?

Edit - would you defend a priest that has helped countless people, and raised millions of dollars that go to charity, but has molested a few kids? I mean, he improved the lives of so many right? Maybe you could do your "math exercise" on that one and see how it works out.

Holy strawman argument batman!!!!! Bam! POW!

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& how can you monitor how much electricity his home is using?

Try moving out of mom and dads house and maybe you would understand.

 

[OrByte]

haha Al Gore isn't even running for President!!

the winguts are trying to SWIFTBOAT everyone and everything that they feel is a threat. Of course that would be alot of people given the shaky ground the GOP is on these days.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.

I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

Fair enough, but that's not what's in the OP.

The OP makes a good point. If Gore is that concerned about the environment then he wouldn't consume so much energy.

Just because he might turn down the thermostat doesn't make up for the amount of energy that he consumes. When you see someone driving a huge, gas guzzling SUV do you wonder if maybe they drive with the radio off and the air off to conserve gas?

The amount of consumption is not the point, it's if they're wasting it or not. For example, is the SUV driver towing a boat or are they picking up their kids from school?

What is Al Gore doing in his masion that could possibly justify using 12 times more energy then the average house in his area?

BTW, I could really care less how much energy he is consuming, wasting, whatever. My issue is with him preaching conservation, the world is melting, blah blah blah....and then using 12 times the amount of energy that the average house in his area does.

Why should it matter? He's a wealthy man and I don't why anyone shouldn't be able to enjoy what they've earned. Do you think he should be living in a small 3 bedroom house? I feel like I am repeating myself but the above average power consumption isn't the issuse it's the nature of the use. Gore's adding solar panels to his house and is paying extra for for the use of cleaner fuels.

JD50, it seems that you do care about Gore and a bit too much at that. If your issuse with him is global warming thats fine, but that's a seperate issuse.

And I feel like I am repeating myself, I am tired of the do as I say not as I do crowd. I don't care how much energy he wastes, consumes, etc. I do care that he is trying to shove his global warming agenda down all of our throats when he is doing the very thing that he preaches against.

Well, it's pretty obivious you do care how much energy he uses and there is still no example as to how he's hypocritical.

If you disagree with his global warming platform I'd suggest you start a thread on that rather than nitpicking on how much power he uses.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

seems like he is doing his fair share of being environmentally conscious.

where is the hypocrisy?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

 

[miketheidiot]

shens.

 

[Pens1566]

Has anyone actually bothered to find out just how big his "mansion" is? Might it just be >= 12 times the size of an average home? Inquiring minds would like to know.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

Whatever happen to the presumption of innocence?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

Whatever happen to the presumption of innocence?

Gitmo FTL

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

According to whom?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

According to whom?

That hit the news about the same time his movie came out. He maybe using green energy now, but he was not at that time and it was available.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: OrByte
haha Al Gore isn't even running for President!!

the winguts are trying to SWIFTBOAT everyone and everything that they feel is a threat. Of course that would be alot of people given the shaky ground the GOP is on these days.

/thread This man scares them more than Hillary for some reason.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

From that link:

Gore does in fact take advantage of the green power options his utility offers, and was in the process of adding photovoltaic solar cells to his house when the article came out. He pays for his own personal carbon offsets, in addition to the institutional offsets purchased by Paramount (movie distributor) and Rodale (book publisher), which make both the book and the movie completely carbon neutral.

So I don't see how he's a hypocrite.

When this first came out, he was not even using the green power from his power company. At least he has decided to play the part, but it appears he only was doing because he got caught.

According to whom?

That hit the news about the same time his movie came out. He maybe using green energy now, but he was not at that time and it was available.

While that could be true he was doing this...

All that picayune nonsense aside, some might consider it more relevant that Gore has devoted his life to this problem, traveling around for years giving thousands of slideshows, co-founding an investment firm devoted to supporting green companies, making his book, movie, and new TV channel carbon neutral (Current will be carbon neutral by the end of the year), donating all the profits from the movie and book to the global-warming fight, and almost single-handedly raising the profile of the issue higher than it's ever been.

Doesn't seem like much of a hypocrite anymore... Seems like someone has an axe to grind?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: TabWhile that could be true he was doing this...

All that picayune nonsense aside, some might consider it more relevant that Gore has devoted his life to this problem, traveling around for years giving thousands of slideshows, co-founding an investment firm devoted to supporting green companies, making his book, movie, and new TV channel carbon neutral (Current will be carbon neutral by the end of the year), donating all the profits from the movie and book to the global-warming fight, and almost single-handedly raising the profile of the issue higher than it's ever been.

Doesn't seem like much of a hypocrite anymore... Seems like someone has an axe to grind?

IF he buying carbon credit to offset his lifestyle, good for him. But up until recently he very much came off as do as i say, not do as i do.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: TabWhile that could be true he was doing this...

All that picayune nonsense aside, some might consider it more relevant that Gore has devoted his life to this problem, traveling around for years giving thousands of slideshows, co-founding an investment firm devoted to supporting green companies, making his book, movie, and new TV channel carbon neutral (Current will be carbon neutral by the end of the year), donating all the profits from the movie and book to the global-warming fight, and almost single-handedly raising the profile of the issue higher than it's ever been.

Doesn't seem like much of a hypocrite anymore... Seems like someone has an axe to grind?

IF he buying carbon credit to offset his lifestyle, good for him. But up until recently he very much came off as do as i say, not do as i do.

Well, that's interesting in all but maybe you guys could provide some examples...

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

Carbon offsets are such a joke.

Just imagine if the hypocrite purchased offsets and didnt use all that electricity in the first place.

Couldnt the same be said about Ted Haggard? "I mean, think of how many people the guy got saved and led to Christ. That makes it ok!" Yeah, I really heard that being thrown around here when all that was going down.

Or...

Geroge W Bush. "Think of how many lives he is saving down the line, even though our troops are dieing over in Iraq. That makes it ok!" Another statement I havent seen anywhere on these forums. Why? Because it doesnt fit with the liberal agenda displayed throughout these forums every day.

I could go on....

The only bigger hypocites than Al Gore are those here who point out every little flaw in the convervative/republican side; yet, ignore and make excuses for anything a liberal/democrat does that is scrutinized.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Craig234
And he pays for offsets so his energy use is carbon neutral. Do you, since you inaccurately attack him for not being 'green'?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

Just imagine if the hypocrite purchased offsets and didnt use all that electricity in the first place.

The only bigger hypocites than Al Gore are those here who point out every little flaw in the convervative/republican side; yet, ignore and make excuses for anything a liberal/democrat does that is scrutinized.

So, how much electricity should he use? As for your second statement, it doesn't seem like liberals have a monopoly on that kind of behavior.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: TabWhile that could be true he was doing this...

All that picayune nonsense aside, some might consider it more relevant that Gore has devoted his life to this problem, traveling around for years giving thousands of slideshows, co-founding an investment firm devoted to supporting green companies, making his book, movie, and new TV channel carbon neutral (Current will be carbon neutral by the end of the year), donating all the profits from the movie and book to the global-warming fight, and almost single-handedly raising the profile of the issue higher than it's ever been.

Doesn't seem like much of a hypocrite anymore... Seems like someone has an axe to grind?

IF he buying carbon credit to offset his lifestyle, good for him. But up until recently he very much came off as do as i say, not do as i do.

Well, that's interesting in all but maybe you guys could provide some examples...

This article was last updated 12/7/06

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

So up until very recently he was not using green energy that was available from his power company and using quantities of it, while promoting his movie. If co2 is the enemy, he is a major producer of it.

If the world was coming to an end as gore wants to claim, green energy would have been installed the day he moved it.

linkage

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aimster
So the electric company just decided out of the blue to come out and reveal one of their customer's electric bill information to the media?

That is an easy win lawsuit right there.

Are you that dense?

Remember the Rush Limbaugh had viagra on his plane story?
Where do you think the press got that information? Someone with the police or customs leaked it to the press. Why do you think Rush never sued? Because it is VERY hard to win a case like that.

Is Al Gore going to sue the energy company because some unkown person leaked this info to the press?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Whatever happen to the presumption of innocence?

Gitmo FTL[/quote]
I am guessing you missed the quote from Richard Clarke's book.

Snatches, or more properly "extraordinary renditions," were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgement of the host government.... The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass."

How quick we are to blame Bush for everything, when a lot of this stuff had been going on since before he was President.

 

[judasmachine]

Ouch. That's gotta sting. This also goes to show that no matter who you vote for, you're supporting an oligarchy. I say we send him 20 homeless families as roommates to balance out his power usage.