Al Franken accused of kissing and groping radio host. Will resign.

[pauldun170]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42032731

 

[HomerJS]

Too bad progressive Democrats lost their holier than thou bullshit after they

Seems this Ohio Supreme Court Justice agrees.

"O'Neill also defended Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who is facing allegations of sexual harassment from seven women, including molesting a 14-year-old girl.


" Roy Moore apparently seems to be a challenged individual when it comes to morality," O'Neill said. "I think that's very, very clear. He's been convicted of nothing and he's never had the opportunity to defend himself and that violates due process in America. The media is about to determine the election of a United States Senate campaign."

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/11/sitting_supreme_court_justice.html

Being elected to the US Senate is not a right. Hell perspective employers can make decisions just based on your Facebook presence. Why should it be different for Moore??

 

[Chaotic42]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42032731

Chaotic42, how many times did you have to read that before you figured out that Senator Bob Taft wasn't his first true love? Too many times, Other Chaotic42, too many times.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Being elected to the US Senate is not a right. Hell perspective employers can make decisions just based on your Facebook presence. Why should it be different for Moore??

I've long been opposed to Moore and have said so in the forum. I was posting something from a sitting justice and Democratic candidate for Gov.

 

[mizzou]

With hindsight...Its fairly obvious Donald Trump is not alone in his grab em' by the xxxxxx swagger mindset. Powerful men have been able to do that and get away with it for quite a while.

This seems like the second or third major feminism movement...and honestly its time we all stop pointing the fingers and start understanding we all have sinned and can move forward

 

[pmv]

With hindsight...Its fairly obvious Donald Trump is not alone in his grab em' by the xxxxxx swagger mindset. Powerful men have been able to do that and get away with it for quite a while.

This seems like the second or third major feminism movement...and honestly its time we all stop pointing the fingers and start understanding we all have sinned and can move forward

Pains me to say it, but it's not just 'powerful' men. At least, all men have some degree of power, so have been able to do it to some degree. Though by the same token we haven't all sinned to the same extent, surely it is important to hang on to the idea that 'a crass and inappropriate remark' (say) is not the same as 'sexual assault'? I dunno, there's the 'big picture' and there are individual cases, and somehow neither should be obscured by the other.

 

[pmv]

Chaotic42, how many times did you have to read that before you figured out that Senator Bob Taft wasn't his first true love? Too many times, Other Chaotic42, too many times.

Yup, I had to read that at least twice before realising it was a _slightly_ less startling story than it first seemed.

 

[Jaskalas]

This incident does not raise to the level of public interest for criminal proceedings. I am not interested in Franken's resignation over this, he is no Roy Moore. Bill O'neill was spot on.

 

[Commodus]

This incident does not raise to the level of public interest for criminal proceedings. I am not interested in Franken's resignation over this, he is no Roy Moore. Bill O'neill was spot on.

Mind you, I wouldn't exactly call O'Neill a sterling role model. He presumes to speak on behalf of "all heterosexual males" and spends about half the post describing his sexual conquests.

First, Mr. O'Neill: don't presume to speak for a gigantic segment of the population. Second: don't make the post about you. Third, and most importantly: you're actually making things worse by playing up the notion that men are supposed to treat women like notches on a bedpost instead of people. There's a nugget of a decent idea marred by O'Neill's own antiquated values.

I can see an argument for both sides of the case here. I can't help but want Franken to stay, but largely because he's one of the few politicians from either major party that both believes in good policies and is willing to call people out on their crap. Lose him and it seems doubtful we'll get someone better. (Note: if he'd committed something clearly criminal, I'd want him out as of yesterday. This isn't a free pass.)

 

[Jaskalas]

There's a nugget of a decent idea marred by O'Neill's own antiquated values.

When a United States Senator commits a non criminal act of indiscretion; and when it is brought to his attention he immediately has the integrity to apologize; and the apology is accepted by the victim: IT IS WRONG for the dogs of war to leap onto his back and demand his resignation from the United States Senate. It is morally wrong.

Lighten up folks, this is how Democrats remain in the minority.​

I'll stand by what O'Neill is saying ON THE SUBJECT at hand. Al Franken does not deserve to be forcibly removed from office over this. As a public representative he will face the voters in due time, and they will decide what is most important to them. I say let the Democratic process run its course. What is described does not, to me, raise to the level of criminality.

I'm saying that, while it's wrong on several levels, we need to address the totality of circumstances and not merely misrepresent things as black and white, right and wrong.

 

[woolfe9998]

When a United States Senator commits a non criminal act of indiscretion; and when it is brought to his attention he immediately has the integrity to apologize; and the apology is accepted by the victim: IT IS WRONG for the dogs of war to leap onto his back and demand his resignation from the United States Senate. It is morally wrong.

Lighten up folks, this is how Democrats remain in the minority.​

I'll stand by what O'Neill is saying ON THE SUBJECT at hand. Al Franken does not deserve to be forcibly removed from office over this. As a public representative he will face the voters in due time, and they will decide what is most important to them. I say let the Democratic process run its course. What is described does not, to me, raise to the level of criminality.

I'm saying that, while it's wrong on several levels, we need to address the totality of circumstances and not merely misrepresent things as black and white, right and wrong.

Agreed. This is precisely where I am on this. Unless there are further allegations against Franken, leave it up to the voters next year.

I think we're seeing an over reaction on the part of many democrats because they are trying to avoid the charge of hypocrisy.

 

[theeedude]

Franken is not running for reelection until 2020. By that time this will be old news that no one cares about. After 4 years of Trump, Minnesota voters will prefer drug resistant Gonorrhea to to voting for a Republican.

 

[HomerJS]

When a United States Senator commits a non criminal act of indiscretion; and when it is brought to his attention he immediately has the integrity to apologize; and the apology is accepted by the victim: IT IS WRONG for the dogs of war to leap onto his back and demand his resignation from the United States Senate. It is morally wrong.

Lighten up folks, this is how Democrats remain in the minority.​

I'll stand by what O'Neill is saying ON THE SUBJECT at hand. Al Franken does not deserve to be forcibly removed from office over this. As a public representative he will face the voters in due time, and they will decide what is most important to them. I say let the Democratic process run its course. What is described does not, to me, raise to the level of criminality.

I'm saying that, while it's wrong on several levels, we need to address the totality of circumstances and not merely misrepresent things as black and white, right and wrong.

Short version, you don't get to have more outrage then the victim.

 

[compcons]

Chaotic42, how many times did you have to read that before you figured out that Senator Bob Taft wasn't his first true love? Too many times, Other Chaotic42, too many times.

Three. I had to read it THREE FUCKING times.

EH

 

[Thebobo]

Well what do we have here?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yet another Democrat smear on a victim? How very Hillary Clinton of you.


"Hillary Clinton, after all, believed every one of her husband’s accusers. And then hunted them down to smear and destroy each and every one of them until not a peep could be heard from them above the baying of the media mob determined to help carry out the Clinton’s dirty work."

Well what do we have here?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/18/democrats-depravity-laid-bare-bill-clinton/

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well what do we have here?

Who are they?

 

[Thebobo]

Yet another Democrat smear on a victim? How very Hillary Clinton of you.


"Hillary Clinton, after all, believed every one of her husband’s accusers. And then hunted them down to smear and destroy each and every one of them until not a peep could be heard from them above the baying of the media mob determined to help carry out the Clinton’s dirty work."



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/18/democrats-depravity-laid-bare-bill-clinton/

Bill clintoin? dude let me get my time machine. Lol you must be watching Waaaaaaaaaaaaaannity and all the rest of the loons on fox because they are covering the BREAKING NEWS of Clinton's infidelity 24/7 now. So timely, what a bunch of losers.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Bill clintoin? dude let me my time machine. Lol you must be watching Waaaaaaaaaaaaaannity and all the rest of the loons on fox because they are covering the BREAKING NEWS of Clinton's infidelity 24/7 now. So timely, what a bunch of losers.

Anything to deflect from their own zoo.

 

[Thebobo]

Who are they?

Our favorite Frankin accuser doing what looks like pinching a mans butt. Could be wrong but its funny nonetheless.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Our favorite Frankin accuser doing what looks like pinching a mans butt. Could be wrong but its funny nonetheless.

And it was on the SAME USO tour. Seems like sexualized humour was the norm. Not exception. Poor girl was being molested all the time.

Throw in some dry humping too.

And victimized by Robin Williams.

 

[Thebobo]

Holy shit what a bombshell wonder what FOX says about this. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaanity?????

Hope that bitch is crushed in the media.

Oh wait she might of had something to do with the Robins Williams death coverup I just made up??

 

[Puffnstuff]

Our favorite Frankin accuser doing what looks like pinching a mans butt. Could be wrong but its funny nonetheless.

If that's her then she doesn't have a leg to stand on and needs to STFU. She should be apologizing to Al for this one.

 

[shortylickens]

to be fair, she was AWAKE then. And the touching was obviously consensual there.

 

[HomerJS]

It would appear Frankin's behavior was more the norm for this tour. My guess she got grossed out by Frankin but was willing with other members of the tour.

She's moved on so we can just take Frankin off the table.