Al Franken accused of kissing and groping radio host. Will resign.

[werepossum]

Really you don't think I read didn't know that about the picture of her? Man I feel bad that you would think of me being that stupid. But that's your fault because I wasn't talking about the picture was talking about the sticking his tongue down her throat accusation. But carry on.

Al Franken's response was "the picture was supposed to be funny." That indicates that the victim was NOT in on the joke. Had it truly been her idea, his response would have been "the picture was her idea, and everyone there knows it."

 

[pauldun170]

Looks like Sen. Richard Blumenthal is coming up next.



We might need a legislative branch catch all thread.

This Linda Flores?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Flores

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This Linda Flores?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Flores

Doubtful. This one lists as being in CT. That being said I just noticed the account was opened recently and only has 11 tweets. I'm leaning fake. It's now been taken private.

 

[werepossum]

What about the abs on that toolbox?

Perhaps Al, Roy, Donald and the rest of these guys should get together and create a group. Meanwhile they should ask their doctor for help.

They have. They are called "powerful men everywhere". Their doctor prescribed them Viagra, 'cause that's the help they wanted.

 

[zinfamous]

Franken pretty much is a serial breast grabber, but it's always been with women who are either okay with it, or because of their profession (actress/model/comedian) pretend to be okay with it. People like Kathy Griffin might honestly be okay with it because it generates publicity and makes her "one of us", thus furthering the career. People like Joy Behar probably hate it, but go along because Franken is "one of us". Either way it's certainly a culture that needs to be abolished. I'm just saying that it does not start and end with Al Franken, nor is he remotely the worst offender.

The same evidence we have of Franken being a "serial breast grabber," we have of Behar being a serial penis grabber. Too bad her victim has passed, because I wonder what Robin Williams would have to say about that incident.

 

[Thebobo]

Al Franken's response was "the picture was supposed to be funny." That indicates that the victim was NOT in on the joke. Had it truly been her idea, his response would have been "the picture was her idea, and everyone there knows it."

Lol ok but what does it have to do with my most recent post?

 

[pauldun170]

Wouldn't be hillarious if the next 30 days was dominated by republican women #metoo'ing accusations at all the democrats and all the republicans getting outted for catching dick in the office or accused ofchasing high school chicks who happen to be democrats.

Thats how I want my December to go.
Republican women accusing Democrat men.
Democrat women accusing Republican men.

Meanwhile, the Green party people are hosting bukakke parties in Mexican brothels filled with 5 year olds.

 

[Chaotic42]

I wonder what it will be like when the social media generation starts taking office and every awkward and inappropriate picture starts coming to light. I go out of my way to not act inappropriately, but I'm very conservative personally (I'm socially liberal and fiscally moderate, but I carry myself conservatively). I don't have any reason to think that Franken is a pervert or abuses women, but this is at best really poor judgement on his part. I get the feeling that as long as he's not dealt with at some level, people are going to keep saying "But Franken!" no matter what happens, even though it's not nearly as severe as what some other people have done.

Maybe I just don't understand his humor.

 

[werepossum]

Lol ok but what does it have to do with my most recent post?

You directly claimed that the photo was the victim's idea. Franken's apology made it crystal clear that this is untrue.

 

[werepossum]

The same evidence we have of Franken being a "serial breast grabber," we have of Behar being a serial penis grabber. Too bad her victim has passed, because I wonder what Robin Williams would have to say about that incident.

Not sure that's much of a defense. Suffice to say that Franken is a sleazy man who used to be in a sleazy industry where sleazy behavior was at least tolerated. But my point is that by Hollywood standards OR Congressional standards, he's by no means the worst.

By all means, let's clean the swamps of both Hollywood and D.C. But let's retain some sense of perspective and retain our national innocent until proven guilty policy.

 

[Thebobo]

You directly claimed that the photo was the victim's idea. Franken's apology made it crystal clear that this is untrue.

I normally wouldn't normally continue such a frivolous conversation but you went out of your way to insult me so I responded. Again I was not talking about the picture when I said "The more I read about this the more I think the story is bullshit." Because everyone who is following this story knows what Franken said, that it was real and apologized for it. You had to live in a cave not to know that. I was referring to the meat of the story about him, groping her and shoving his tongue down her throat. He does not admit to that. And I don't live in a cave.

 

[Maxima1]

It depends on the scene and actors. Did she tell him no tongue? If you ask a girl to kiss her, she says yes, so you slip in some tongue have you now assaulted her?

Don't see why anyone would expect tongue over a quick kiss on the lips. If the allegations are true, he took advantage of it and turned it into something more intimate. Not uncommon with scumbags.

I better get some of my past girlfriends arrested who immediately slipped me the tongue when I went in for a closed month kiss.

He wasn't even her boyfriend, and women are more sensitive when it comes to this topic. Would you use similar argument for teachers and students? We all know the sexes get treated differently.

 

[werepossum]

I normally wouldn't contine of such a frivolous conversation but you went out of your way to insult me so I responded. Again I was not talking about the picture when I said "The more I read about this the more I think the story is bullshit." Because everyone who is following this story knows what Franken said, that it was real and apologized for it. You had to live in a cave not to know that. I was referring to the meat of the story about him, groping her and shoving his tongue down her throat. He does not admit to that. And I don't live in a cave.

lol My humble apologies for assuming that you would or could read what you posted. For your elucidation, it read:

BREAKING NOW

Al Franken photo staged according to photographer who took it.

Photographer: She was playing dead and SHE wanted him to 'revive' her. I took the picture it was a funny moment everyone was smiling having a good time.

Leeann Tweeden is a Trump Supporter.[/S]​

The in flagrante photo was accompanied by one of Tweeden posing in a bikini, obviously to make the point that she is the kind of woman who wants strangers to grab her breasts. Your sole comment was "The more I read about this the more I think the story is bullshit." Perhaps you can understand how I could imagine that might be related to the picture you posted.[/S]

EDIT: For those who might be inclined to believe this:
https://www.snopes.com/photographer-said-franken-image-was-staged/

CLAIM
The photographer of the infamous Al Franken image said that the moment was staged, that Leanna Tweeden "was playing dead," and that "she wanted him to ‘revive’ her."

RATING

FALSE
ORIGIN
How do you defend the indefensible? One way, apparently, is to make up a fake quote.

In an apparent effort to discredit Leaann Tweeden, the woman who accused Senator Al Franken of groping her during her 2006 USO tour, a quote ostensibly uttered by the photographer who snapped the infamous image was circulated on social media:

 

[brycejones]

lol My humble apologies for assuming that you would or could read what you posted. For your elucidation, it read:

BREAKING NOW

Al Franken photo staged according to photographer who took it.

Photographer: She was playing dead and SHE wanted him to 'revive' her. I took the picture it was a funny moment everyone was smiling having a good time.

Leeann Tweeden is a Trump Supporter.[/S]​

The in flagrante photo was accompanied by one of Tweeden posing in a bikini, obviously to make the point that she is the kind of woman who wants strangers to grab her breasts. Your sole comment was "The more I read about this the more I think the story is bullshit." Perhaps you can understand how I could imagine that might be related to the picture you posted.[/S]

EDIT: For those who might be inclined to believe this:
https://www.snopes.com/photographer-said-franken-image-was-staged/

Just so I can keep up is Snopes now believable because it said what conservatives want to hear? BTW I don't see a reason to disagree with the conclusion its just humorous that the accuracy of Snopes among those with a conservative bent is highly dependent on they get the answer they want.

 

[pmv]

Al Franken's response was "the picture was supposed to be funny." That indicates that the victim was NOT in on the joke. Had it truly been her idea, his response would have been "the picture was her idea, and everyone there knows it."

Well, yeah, at first my thought was maybe she was in on the joke, which would be a different thing entirely. But it seems it was actually a misjudged and crass joke of Franken's, with an obvious element of aggression behind it.

Still not quite 'groping' though, which is how it keeps being described. It's a bad-taste joke about groping. Joking about a bad thing like that is itself bad, but it's not the thing it's joking about.

Everyone in any position of power is at risk of abusing it. None of us are morally infallible, whatever our purported politics, and different forms of power operate at right-angles (e.g. plenty of feminists are racists, plenty of leftists are sexist, etc).

At the moment, I don't think he should resign, I think he should eat humble pie and apologise and make it clear he realises why it was a crass thing to do though.

 

[zinfamous]

Not sure that's much of a defense. Suffice to say that Franken is a sleazy man who used to be in a sleazy industry where sleazy behavior was at least tolerated. But my point is that by Hollywood standards OR Congressional standards, he's by no means the worst.

By all means, let's clean the swamps of both Hollywood and D.C. But let's retain some sense of perspective and retain our national innocent until proven guilty policy.

I'm fine with all of this, but I wonder at what point regular jokes between people simply become sleaze because someone wants to call it sleaze? Not to say that there isn't real sleaze in this places--obviously there is--but where is that line? I haven't been aware of Franken having a history of being a sleazy dude. The Behar thing is almost certainly a joke between people. It seems that the photographer for this photo claims it was staged--she wasn't really asleep and that was part of it--but it seems she claims otherwise? I don't know, honestly. I did initially think it strange for her to be sitting there slouching and actually sleeping...seemingly on her own? I don't know, could have certainly been exhausted if after a long day.

 

[shortylickens]

Wouldn't be hillarious if the next 30 days was dominated by republican women #metoo'ing accusations at all the democrats and all the republicans getting outted for catching dick in the office or accused ofchasing high school chicks who happen to be democrats.

Thats how I want my December to go.
Republican women accusing Democrat men.
Democrat women accusing Republican men.

Meanwhile, the Green party people are hosting bukakke parties in Mexican brothels filled with 5 year olds.

In all seriousness I would like to see a female-run congress. I dont know if they'd be better or worse, I just wanna know what it looks like.

 

[WackyDan]

It depends on the scene and actors. Did she tell him no tongue? If you ask a girl to kiss her, she says yes, so you slip in some tongue have you now assaulted her?

I better get some of my past girlfriends arrested who immediately slipped me the tongue when I went in for a closed month kiss.

The real problem is she didn't want to do the kissing bit, but didn't say no, instead she consented to it. She is basically saying every victim blamers stereotype of "I consented, but after the fact I was unhappy with what happened," or "I consented, even though I didn't really want to, so assault!"

Are you that dense? It was never supposed to be a real kiss. You have some pretty twisted fucking ideas of what skits with kissing are... You must really fall for those chick flicks if you think all the kissing is actually real and supposed to be real. He baited her under false pretenses. PERIOD.

 

[woolfe9998]

Al Franken's response was "the picture was supposed to be funny." That indicates that the victim was NOT in on the joke. Had it truly been her idea, his response would have been "the picture was her idea, and everyone there knows it."

I agree. If the picture was her idea, Franken would likely have never apologized for this. I highly doubt she was in on it.

 

[Zorba]

Don't see why anyone would expect tongue over a quick kiss on the lips. If the allegations are true, he took advantage of it and turned it into something more intimate. Not uncommon with scumbags.



He wasn't even her boyfriend, and women are more sensitive when it comes to this topic. Would you use similar argument for teachers and students? We all know the sexes get treated differently.

I don't think teachers should be kidding students period, definitely not on the lips, and definitely not with tongue. Hard to judge this kiss without knowing what was going on in the skit though. I'd say the vast majority of acting kisses are much more passionate then a peck on the lips, though.

 

[theeedude]

Too bad evangelicals lost their moral authority after electing Trump. Otherwise we'd hear no end of holier than thou nonsense from them.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Too bad progressive Democrats lost their holier than thou bullshit after they

Not sure that's much of a defense. Suffice to say that Franken is a sleazy man who used to be in a sleazy industry where sleazy behavior was at least tolerated. But my point is that by Hollywood standards OR Congressional standards, he's by no means the worst.

By all means, let's clean the swamps of both Hollywood and D.C. But let's retain some sense of perspective and retain our national innocent until proven guilty policy.

Seems this Ohio Supreme Court Justice agrees.

"O'Neill also defended Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who is facing allegations of sexual harassment from seven women, including molesting a 14-year-old girl.


" Roy Moore apparently seems to be a challenged individual when it comes to morality," O'Neill said. "I think that's very, very clear. He's been convicted of nothing and he's never had the opportunity to defend himself and that violates due process in America. The media is about to determine the election of a United States Senate campaign."

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/11/sitting_supreme_court_justice.html

 

[Victorian Gray]

Too bad progressive Democrats lost their holier than thou bullshit after they

Seems this Ohio Supreme Court Justice agrees.

"O'Neill also defended Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who is facing allegations of sexual harassment from seven women, including molesting a 14-year-old girl.


" Roy Moore apparently seems to be a challenged individual when it comes to morality," O'Neill said. "I think that's very, very clear. He's been convicted of nothing and he's never had the opportunity to defend himself and that violates due process in America. The media is about to determine the election of a United States Senate campaign."

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/11/sitting_supreme_court_justice.html

This guy is a state supreme court judge? He's a fucking moron.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This guy is a state supreme court judge? He's a fucking moron.

Ironically defending a man who was removed from the bench of Supreme Court justice twice for ignoring the constitution. His challenges are more than just moral.

 

[bshole]

Franken pretty much is a serial breast grabber, but it's always been with women who are either okay with it, or because of their profession (actress/model/comedian) pretend to be okay with it. People like Kathy Griffin might honestly be okay with it because it generates publicity and makes her "one of us", thus furthering the career. People like Joy Behar probably hate it, but go along because Franken is "one of us". Either way it's certainly a culture that needs to be abolished. I'm just saying that it does not start and end with Al Franken, nor is he remotely the worst offender.

That is a fair point and I am happy you that you made it. We need conservatives to point out our hypocrisy to keep us honest. Like I said, I am undecided on Franken and would like to see the results of an investigation.

The thing that irritates me about Moore so much is his moral superiority in matters of sex. Moore has made a career out of poking into people's bedrooms, Franken hasn't. I have a hard bias against people who want to legislate against consensual sexual relationships between adults. That bias may indeed be coming into play when evaluating these two men. I know that I have already been convinced that Moore is a sexual predator and certainly am not convinced with Franken.