Air Force Academy makes 'God' optional in cadets' oath

[IronWing]

By my standard, misogyny and burning heretics is wrong too, but in order to have a functional planet, we need a universal standard...we just do, or we're gonna continue to pick up papers and read websites reporting the murder and mistreatment of women for as long as we live.

It's obvious by how you view people who are ok with such repugnant behavior.

I view people who are okay with such behavior as immoral, as I already stated above. A universal standard of morality is a pipedream. We can attempt to share our moral views with others and maybe cause some to rethink their moral code. I think most murderers are aware that they are acting immorally. Treatment of women is an issue where people act out their personal moral codes, codes which I find are often immoral. That is where laws governing conduct are needed. We may not ever convince some men that women are worthy of respect but we can legislate behavior.

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131025/NEWS/310230013/Academy-makes-God-optional-cadets-oath

The war on God continues!



A Don't Ask Don't Tell policy if you will except you don't get kicked out for being found out that you have a relationship with an invisible partner who lives in the sky.

You do realize that one nation under god part of the pledge of allegiance wasn't even there until the 1950s right?

Personally, I don't think it should be there at all.

 

[irishScott]

People say this all the time... I don't need the XYZ commandment to know XYZ is wrong. Well, I can't tell, and people murder and kill anyway, so they need something.

I think it's universally recognized murder is wrong, yet, we have a HUGE problem with that in this country.

I've yet to hear a better alternative (that works) from anyone who claims "god isn't needed".

What do you propose, then, honestly, that can work?

Hey, if God is the only thing standing between someone and murder I certainly don't want to remove him. That said people kill in the name of God all the time, so I'm not certain the argument could be made that belief in him is doing more good than harm.

I was responding to the claim that "without God there is no standard" by pointing out that with God there is no standard. No two people of any religion view God in exactly the same way, and there are often major differences.

 

[zinfamous]

All those locations mentioned have a Socialist-leaning education system.Every single one of them.It's not a coincidence.You can try to say it is..but it's not.That's the problem; people turn away from God,get taught we come from monkeys..that is the outcome of a humanistic/Darwinian world view upbringing.There is no hope..you're just out to get yours,and forget helping anyone else,they'll just drag you down.

Jesus was a socialist

Also, we didn't come from Monkeys. if anyone teaches you that, that person is an idiot. We share a common ancestor with modern apes.

Also, I think society may have failed you.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Thank God. I wanted this when I was 15. At age 37, I am glad we finally am seeing progress in this country.

 

[ThinClient]

It was more than just a "scare". Those "godless commies" (who were open ATHEISTS) were murderous, genocidal pigs. Adding or removing an oath to "god" doesn't mean a thing, as history clearly shows.

Sometimes, I just don't get the point. :\

The god you follow is a murderous, genocidal pig, according to the holy book you claim is infallible.

 

[Moonbeam]

The only foundation for morality is natural self respect. If you acquire that from a faith in God or a love of being real makes no difference at all. The good is absolute and it covers everybody. The enemy is self hate which creates a lack of self respect. Self hate is the devil.

 

[ThinClient]

The only foundation for morality is natural self respect. If you acquire that from a faith in God or a love of being real makes no difference at all. The good is absolute and it covers everybody. The enemy is self hate which creates a lack of self respect. Self hate is the devil.

Richard Dawkins has a very interesting point of view on the development (or, the evolution of) morals and ethics. You should read his book The Selfish Gene to begin.:thumbsup:

 

[Retro Rob]

The god you follow is a murderous, genocidal pig, according to the holy book you claim is infallible.

Then stop reading it.

 

[MtnMan]

God is just a superstition, a common one, but without any basis, just like a black cat crossing your path means bad luck, or that you should throw salt over your left shoulder if you spill some.

I don't worry when I see a black cat, I don't' throw salt over my shoulder, and I don't pay the imaginary sky daddy some follow any attention.

 

[MtnMan]

The god you follow is a murderous, genocidal pig, according to the holy book you claim is infallible.

Your description actually paint him in a pretty good way, as he is a much nastier, sicker, sadistic bastard than your description.

 

[Retro Rob]

The only foundation for morality is natural self respect. If you acquire that from a faith in God or a love of being real makes no difference at all. The good is absolute and it covers everybody. The enemy is self hate which creates a lack of self respect. Self hate is the devil.

Richard Dawkins has a very interesting point of view on the development (or, the evolution of) morals and ethics. You should read his book The Selfish Gene to begin.:thumbsup:

So...no one knows where morality comes from.

Keep making stuff up. I think it came from a 65 Million year-old rock. See how that works?

 

[IronWing]

So...no one knows where morality comes from.

Keep making stuff up. I think it came from a 65 Million year-old rock. See how that works?

Assigning responsibility for a moral code to a Cretaceous rock makes precisely as much sense as creating a deity and then assigning that role to the newly minted god. Personally, I think one's moral code is far too important to so lightly pawn off onto an external source.

 

[ThinClient]

Then stop reading it.

Take your own advice. For your own sake, please.

 

[ThinClient]

So...no one knows where morality comes from.

No, wrong. That doesn't even make any sense. Yet again, you fail at cogent thought.

Keep making stuff up. I think it came from a 65 Million year-old rock. See how that works?

No, I don't. I want to see your carbon dating evidence to support your claim.

 

[Howard]

How is there going to be honor without God?
Don't tell me humanistic morality is honorable.Far from it.There is no moral code without God.
"If we ever forget that we are one nation under God,then we will be a nation gone under" -Ronald Reagan

It's the 21st century for crying out loud.

 

[irishScott]

It's the 21st century for crying out loud.

Depends on how fast your internet access is.

 

[schmuckley]

Jesus was a socialist

Also, we didn't come from Monkeys. if anyone teaches you that, that person is an idiot. We share a common ancestor with modern apes.

Also, I think society may have failed you.

Where's this ancestor? :whiste: Where are the remains?

Actually evolution teaches humans evolved from a rock.

I think society may have misled and misinformed you

 

[ThinClient]

Where's this ancestor? :whiste: Where are the remains?

Actually evolution teaches humans evolved from a rock.

I think society may have misled and misinformed you

troll troll troll your boat...

 

[BurnItDwn]

What about if there's a Hundu or some other polytheistic person? Do they 'say so help me gods'?

How about if there is somebody who calls their divine one a different word, like for example, If I started my own cult, and my follewers joined the air force. Could they say, so help me "burnitdwn" ?

Anyhow, since there is very likely no god, even if you include me, I will refrain from starting my own cult (at least for now.)

 

[MtnMan]

Jesus was a socialist

Also, we didn't come from Monkeys. if anyone teaches you that, that person is an idiot. We share a common ancestor with modern apes.

Also, I think society may have failed you.

Better monkeys than from a dirt clod and some spit.

 

[zinfamous]

Where's this ancestor? :whiste: Where are the remains?

Actually evolution teaches humans evolved from a rock.

I think society may have misled and misinformed you

Better monkeys than from a dirt clod and some spit.

paint chips--it's what's for dinner?

are you guys seriously this uninformed?

:hmm:

 

[MtnMan]

paint chips--it's what's for dinner?

are you guys seriously this uninformed?

:hmm:

And the science and evidence supporting your position?

 

[zinfamous]

And the science and evidence supporting your position?

you do realize you are confusing abiogenesis with evolution, don't you?

the evidence supporting my position?

first: are you or are anyone you know diabetic?

You do realize that you can thank evolutionary theory for that treatment, don't you?

The evidence is everywhere. The internet can actually point you in the right direction, assuming you don't take a hilariously wrong turn.

Here's a start

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#science

 

[LightPattern]

...if atheists were honest with themselves, they'd admit that there is no way of knowing what kind of world we would have *If* religion was relegated to the dustbin of history.

As history shows, man as ALWAYS been religious/worshipping gods etc -- there isn't a time where this has not been the case. So its easy to take an idealistic "imagine a world without religion" outlook because we can make up whatever future we want with this viewpoint. At the same time, godless commies get widely ignored, or as in your case, downplayed because the US "did the same thing".

It's like a child imagining a world without parents (without the restriction of what the child can/cannot do) only to realize that its only an idea, fantasy, unreal dream that probably won't turn out the way they envision because we've never been without parents -- its easy to make stuff up in this case because we don't have a reality to scrutinize it with.

Agree with this.

On a tangent, it reminds me of anarcho-capitalists (some on this forum) vision of a land without any government.