Air Force Academy makes 'God' optional in cadets' oath

[her209]

Without an absolute perfect standard:What IS the standard?
The standards of Harris and Klebold?

The standard of the current President?

The standard of Benny Hinn?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible

It's not: "my belief is better than yours"
It's: It is what it is.

Absolute perfect standard? What is it? Because it seems to vary from group to group.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So we should keep silent about atheist murderous regimes because "we've yet to do it"?

Not necessarily. We should try to remember our own checkered past when criticizing others, though

It's the responsible thing to do to point out how "godless" governments can and has been just as genocidal as "godly" ones, which gives fair warning to people.

That's why it's always a good thing to examine, objectively, both sides of he coin.

agree.

 

[Retro Rob]

Not necessarily. We should try to remember our own checkered past when criticizing others, though

Actually, no...I cannot agree with that. On a personal level, yeah. I cannot rip YOU for doing something I've done. But we're talking about protecting citizens of an entire country from potential consequences of evil.

You simply cannot afford to sugarcoat an issue which can potentially jeopardize the lives of millions out of fear of looking like a hypocrite -- I mean, I wouldn't want a spineless President with this sort of outlook in charge of my national security.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Actually, no...I cannot agree with that. On a personal level, yeah. I cannot rip YOU for doing something I've done. But we're talking about protecting citizens of an entire country from potential consequences of evil.

You simply cannot afford to sugarcoat an issue which can potentially jeopardize the lives of millions out of fear of looking like a hypocrite -- I mean, I wouldn't want a spineless President with this sort of outlook in charge of my national security.

1. It's our national security.

2. It's not world security.

3. The evil is already upon us. If the direction our country is going continues, eventually the government will start killing it's own citizen's in the name of national security.

 

[schmuckley]

Absolute perfect standard? What is it? Because it seems to vary from group to group.

The absolute perfect standard would be God.

Did you not expect that or something?

See? You had no clue..Wow.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The absolute perfect standard would be God.

Did you not expect that or something?

Who's God? Christianity's God? Which version of christianity's God? Which Testaments version of God?

 

[schmuckley]

Both Testaments have the same version of God.
So yes..God.

 

[her209]

The absolute perfect standard would be God.

Did you not expect that or something?

See? You had no clue..Wow.

/facepalm

Zeus? Buddha? Yahweh? Allah? Rama? etc.

See? You had no clue..Wow.

 

[schmuckley]

/facepalm

Zeus? Buddha? Yahweh? Allah? Rama? etc.

See? You had no clue..Wow.

Buddha was not a god in any religion.

Yahweh is God.

Allah is God, too;but the Islam religion (set up by God) was corrupted by Mohammed in 300 AD.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Both Testaments have the same version of God.
So yes..God.

In which version of hte Bible? KJ, NKJ, NIV, etc...http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

Anyways, the OT and NT have different versions of God.

 

[her209]

Buddha was not a god in any religion.

Yahweh is God.

Mohammed corrupted the church he forcefully took over in 300 AD.

FAIL

 

[schmuckley]

FAIL

Fail how? please elaborate.

 

[her209]

Fail how? please elaborate.

If Buddha isn't considered a God, why await his return?

Yahweh is about as God as the others aforementioned. I should also include the FSM in that list too.

 

[IronWing]

The absolute perfect standard would be God.

Did you not expect that or something?

See? You had no clue..Wow.

As a person creates their own god(s) to suit, to say that god(s) is/are the perfect standard of morality is quite correct for folks who choose to assign perfect morality to their god(s). It is also a trivial and extraneous exercise. The step of creating the god or gods is not essential to the existance of any person's moral code. A person's moral code must stand on it's own. If a person's moral code can't stand on it's own (in the judgment of the individual) then the person is simply feeding him/herself bullshit.

 

[JTsyo]

These are the kind of children being raised in the US and UK nowadays.They have no limits because the state forbids discipline,AND teches them there's no God.
Hence nowadays there are mass school shootings.

Like I said:Without God;There is no honor.

Are we supposed to have the morality of Apes?

Where in the Bible is honor explained? I can't recall anything about honor at all. The closest I can think of is living your life in virtue so to bring honor to all Christians. the 5th Commandment also calls to honor your parents but that just means show them respect.

 

[schmuckley]

So..You people think that honor is based on everyone's own personal perception of what's right,correct? So how is something that evolved from a rock going to know any difference between wrong and right? They might think it's "right" to sneakily kill people every chance they get..
owait..Isn't THAT the 5th commandment? "Thou shalt not kill"?
The 4th is Honor thy father and mother..

 

[ch33zw1z]

So..You people think that honor is based on everyone's own personal perception of what's right,correct? So how is something that evolved from a rock going to know any difference between wrong and right? They might think it's "right" to sneakily kill people every chance they get..
owait..Isn't THAT the 5th commandment? Thou shalt not kill?
The 4th is Honor thy father and mother..

I was taught "Thou shall not murder", as in the premeditated kind. So, again...who's interpretation is the one we should all adhere to?

 

[sactoking]

Swearing an oath to a god you don't believe in is a hollow oath.

 

[schmuckley]

I was taught "Thou shall not murder", as in the premeditated kind. So, again...who's interpretation is the one we should all adhere to?

I think you're overthinking.

 

[fskimospy]

Swearing an oath to a god you don't believe in is a hollow oath.

That's what I've never understood. If you are a believer do you really want people swearing false oaths to your god? That seems pretty disrespectful. Since (presumably) we aren't trying to exclude atheists from service, why make people lie in their oath?

 

[bshole]

So..You people think that honor is based on everyone's own personal perception of what's right,correct? So how is something that evolved from a rock going to know any difference between wrong and right? They might think it's "right" to sneakily kill people every chance they get..
owait..Isn't THAT the 5th commandment? "Thou shalt not kill"?
The 4th is Honor thy father and mother..

You swear an oath to God to enter an organization who's purpose it is to kill. Seeing as God doesn't want you to be killing, perhaps he isn't down with you swearing to him to enter a killing organization.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You swear an oath to God to enter an organization who's purpose it is to kill. Seeing as God doesn't want you to be killing, perhaps he isn't down with you swearing to him to enter a killing organization.

I don't remember that being part of the military service oath.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/oathofenlist.htm

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

 

[IronWing]

So..You people think that honor is based on everyone's own personal perception of what's right,correct?

Of course. How could it be any different?

So how is something that evolved from a rock going to know any difference between wrong and right? They might think it's "right" to sneakily kill people every chance they get..

True. We are all responsible for our own moral codes. People who have a moral code that allows that they should "sneakily kill people every chance they get.." are probably not going to get to put their ideals into practice for very long.

owait..Isn't THAT the 5th commandment? "Thou shalt not kill"?
The 4th is Honor thy father and mother..

 

[schmuckley]

Of course. How could it be any different?



True. We are all responsible for our own moral codes. People who have a moral code that allows that they should "sneakily kill people every chance they get.." are probably not going to get to put their ideals into practice for very long.

But they are justified within their own moral code so that makes them honorable;correct?

According to your philosophy it does.

I say horseshit.

If you can't see how nonsensical that way of thinking is;You are blinded.

 

[JTsyo]

So..You people think that honor is based on everyone's own personal perception of what's right,correct? So how is something that evolved from a rock going to know any difference between wrong and right? They might think it's "right" to sneakily kill people every chance they get..
owait..Isn't THAT the 5th commandment? "Thou shalt not kill"?
The 4th is Honor thy father and mother..

Yes, that's why when we hear of "honor killings", we are disgusted instead of agreeing with those that approve of it.

It seems the commandments are numbered differently for different sects.