Ahmed Mohamed seeking $15 million in damages (clock boy)

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Bowfinger

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Which ones? It's been reported from the start. The first teacher he showed it to told him to keep it in his bag and to not show anyone else because he knew it looked like a bomb.
It's true his engineering teacher told him to put it away. The "he knew it looked like a bomb part" is your speculation presented as fact. Cite a credible source reporting that.


Ahmed either plugged it in and set the alarm or connected a battery so that it would go off in his bag which is what alerted another teacher (no battery is visible in the photos we have).
The alarm reportedly went off during English class later that day, and the photo shows a 9V battery clip, but no battery. The rest is more speculation.


The police immediately said that he was not as cooperative with them and did not give the explanations that he was giving the media.
The police reportedly said he kept stating it was just a clock. They were apparently not satisfied with that (accurate) answer.


They appealed to the family to allow them to release their information to show why they really detained him but got no response. In a video interview we have all seen he admits to disabling the lock and tying it with wire "to avoid suspicion," which makes no sense (he knew other kids had the same pencil box and misshapen packages with protruding wires are a known bullet point for suspicious packages according to established Federal/USPS guidelines).

Which link do you need? The reporter who heard his sister on the line listening in and feeding him answers? The news video interview where Ahmed admits that he knew it looked suspicious? The police statement? The revelation that his father told his sister over the phone to have him put back in cuffs to take a picture? It's going to be a lot of links but I can provide every one you need, just tell me which.
Yes, it would be very informative to compare your spin and imaginative embellishments to the information actually reported.
 

CZroe

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You have a vivid imagination. I left in a couple of your main howlers, just to show how far off the deep end you've gone. In general, however, I'll simply note your consistent habit of treating far-fetched speculation as gospel. For example, your nonsensical suggestion that not knowing the school's side of the story somehow proves the kid is guilty. It's empty, self-serving noise.
I never said it was proof. I said it was evidence. That fact is that the school boldly stated that it would clear things up about their own actions. It stands to reason that if this were not true (like you assume) then Ahmed's family would happily release his disciplinary record and allow the school to discuss this incident as requested, calling their bluff. There is plenty of meaning here. All you can do in response to this is laugh it off like this exchange didn't happen and is meaningless. Pathetic ignorance.

Because conspiracy nuts might pervert it into something it wasn't. Like they did.
Bull. Withholding it is what is causing speculation. If there were truly nothing to hide then it could only be more ammunition to support their accusation of racism and Islamophobia against the school. You know it. Watching you squirm to deny the logic is extremely entertaining. Logic DESTROYS you.

Fevered imagination aside, the only facts we have are that the sister -- singular -- claims she was suspended in middle school when one girl accused her of a bomb threat.
Big whoop. My phone auto-corrected a typo and made it plural and you stooped low enough to try to work it into your point as if it would discredit me. Laughable. Also, that "fact" did not happen in a vacuum, so stop acting like it is meaningless.

While I realize it is inconceivable to you that one tweenage girl might bear false witness on another (especially against some weird foreigner in the heart of redneck Texas), here in the real world we know middle school children can be horrid little monsters capable of almost anything. The bottom line is one of those two girls was lying, either the accuser or accused, and I have no way of knowing which one. Neither do you, but that hasn't stopped you from swallowing the accusation because it fits your narrative.
Not because it fits my accusation, but because it fits their BEHAVIOR of not talking about it and not allowing the student record disclosure. Like I said: evidence doesn't have to be proof to still be evidence. Do you deny that her being suspended wrongly for a bomb threat in the same school district would be advantageous to their claims of Islamophobia and racism? It sure sounds like it. :awe:

Sure. I've always conceded it's a possibility. Unlike you, I refuse to treat speculation as fact. Either way, the school and police overreacted. Whether it's because they stupidly fell for a scam, stupidly were racist, stupidly chose to treat a clock as something that fell under a zero tolerance policy, or just stupidly decided the kid needed to be taught a lesson, the sad truth is they reacted stupidly. And now taxpayers are going to pay the bill for their stupid overreaction.
LOL! I thought you just said that you don't treat speculation as fact. If it was a scam then their reaction (interrogating him and arresting him for a hoax bomb) was justified. You still seem to think that there is no way that the reaction was justified and you called that completely unproven and wishful position "truth" based on nothing more than their unsubstantiated claims. You don't seem to understand that there are claims on BOTH sides. Pointing out that claims on one side are still only claims does not make the claims on the other side "truth." :rolleyes:

Your imagination is running amok. You're the one with egg dripping from your face.
O RLY?! The why are you almost the last one still defending him?

It's true his engineering teacher told him to put it away. The "he knew it looked like a bomb part" is your speculation presented as fact. Cite a credible source reporting that.
Are you seriously telling me that the engineering teacher told him to keep it to himself and not show anyone else for any other reason? LOL! Talk about "speculation!" It sounds like you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

Do you have to try to be that dense? Ahmed himself said his teacher thought it looked like a bomb.

The alarm reportedly went off during English class later that day, and the photo shows a 9V battery clip, but no battery. The rest is more speculation.
Why are you repeating what I said? Innocently forgetting to disable an alarm that is powered by a battery is fine. Running a cord out and setting the alarm after being told not to draw attention to it is inexcusable. I mentioned the possibility that the police removed a battery and left it out of the picture specifically so that you would not accuse me of speculation but your twisted little contradictory mind just made you shoot yourself in the foot by implying that it didn't have one and I shouldn't speculate that it could have. :rolleyes:

The police reportedly said he kept stating it was just a clock. They were apparently not satisfied with that (accurate) answer.
It's very possible to be accurate without being forthcoming and answering to their satisfaction. If you asked me why I set it off to go off in my bag when I was told not to draw attention to it, "It's a clock" does not satisfactorily answer the question. If you ask me why I removed it from the case and put it into another case and I said "it's a clock, then I was "not forthcoming." If they asked me why I brought it to school and I answered like Ahmed did with "to tell time," then I am being a smart-alec.

Yes, it would be very informative to compare your spin and imaginative embellishments to the information actually reported.
You've been provided with every link and ignored them already. He sounds genuinely interested. All he has to do is tell me which ones he hasn't heard before and I will provide the sources to him.
 
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ivwshane

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Are you fucking retarded? Do you even speak English?

ev·i·dence
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the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I suggest you delete your post before anybody else sees how stupid your post is.

I never said it was proof. I said it was evidence. That fact is that the school BOLDLY stated that it would clear things up about their own actions. It stands to reason that of this were not true then Ahmed's family would happily release his disciplinary record and allow the school to discuss this incident as requested. All you can do is laugh it off like this exchange didn't happen and is meaningless. Pathetic ignorance.


Bull. Withholding it is what is causing speculation. If there were truly nothing to hide then it could only be more ammunition to support their accusation of racism and Islamophobia against the school. You know it. Watching you squirm to deny the logic is extremely entertaining. Logic DESTROYS you.


Big whoop. My phone auto-corrected a typo and made it plural and you stopped low enough to try to work it into your point as if it would discredit me. Laughable. Also, that "fact" did not happen in a vacuum, so stop acting like it is meaningless.


Not because it fits my accusation, but because it fits their BEHAVIOR of not talking about it and not allowing the disciplinary record. Like I said: evidence doesn't have to be proof to still be evidence. Do you deny that her being suspended wrongly for a bomb threat in the same school district would be advantageous to their claims of Islamophobia and racism? It sure sounds like it.


LOL! I thought you just said that you don't treat speculation as fact. You still seem to think that there is no way this could be a scam and that there is no way that the reaction was justified and you called that completely unproven and wishful position "truth" based on nothing more than their unsubstantiated claims. You don't seem to understand that there are claims on BOTH sides. Identifying the claims on one side as claims does not make the claims on the other side "truth." :rolleyes:



O RLY?! The why are you almost the last one still defending him?


Are you seriously telling me that the engineering teacher told him to keep it to himself and not show anyone else for any other reason? LOL! Sounds like you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now! Do you have to try to be that dense? Ahmed himself said his teacher thought it looked like a bomb.


Why are you repeating what I said? Innocently forgetting to disable an alarm that is powered by a battery is fine. Running a cord out and setting the alarm after being told not to draw attention to it is inexcusable. I mentioned the possibility that the police removed a battery and left it out of the picture specifically so that you would not accuse me of speculation but your twisted little contradictory mind just made you shoot yourself in the foot by implying that it didn't have one and I shouldn't speculate that it could have. :rolleyes:


It's very possible to be accurate without being forthcoming and answering to their satisfaction. If you asked me why I set it off to go off in my bag when I was told not to draw attention to it, "It's a clock" does not satisfactorily answer the question. If you ask me why I removed it from the case and put it into another case and I said "it's a clock, then I was "not forthcoming." If they asked me why I brought it to school and I answered like Ahmed did with "to tell time," then I am being a smart-alec.


You've been provided with every link and ignored them already. He sounds genuinely interested. All he has to do is tell me which ones he hasn't heard before and I will provide the sources to him.
 

bshole

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The police reportedly said he kept stating it was just a clock. They were apparently not satisfied with that (accurate) answer.
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My question for the kid would have been, "why do you think putting a clock in a suitcase qualifies as a science project"? That is about as inventive as putting your lunch in a lunch bag.

My 2nd question would have been, "when your science teacher told you to put the project in your locker and not show it around, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LISTEN YOU STUPID FUCKING JACKASS!!!!!"
 
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CZroe

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Are you fucking retarded? Do you even speak English?


I suggest you delete your post before anybody else sees how stupid your post is.

"The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid." Yep. That's exactly the right definition. There are facts and information that indicate their intentions.

Have you never heard of circumstantial evidence? Circumstantial evidence is not proof, but it is evidence that indicates.

People's behavior in response to questioning is factual evidence just like a fingerprint putting you at the scene of a crime is factual evidence. It isn't necessarily proof of guilt, but it's factual evidence. Understand? There is plenty of EVIDENCE that this is a scam. There is not yet proof.

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Bowfinger

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My question for the kid would have been, "why do you think putting a clock in a suitcase qualifies as a science project"? That is about as inventive as putting your lunch in a lunch bag.
Please cite a credible source reporting that Mohamed told the police it was a science project. Regardless of your super-duper l33t electronics skills when you were his age, he was obviously proud of it.


My 2nd question would have been, "when your science teacher told you to put the project in your locker and not show it around, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LISTEN YOU STUPID FUCKING JACKASS!!!!!"
Please cite a credible source reporting that Mohamed's "science teacher" told him to put the clock in his locker. First, it was his engineering teacher. Second, according to published reports, the teacher told him to put it away but did said nothing about keeping it in his locker. Third, according to published reports, Mohamed obeyed his teacher's instructions and put the clock away ... until the alarm sounded during English class later that day.

One of the big problems with this story is there are so many people like you who have so many basic facts wrong. This is in great part due to people like LK and CZroe who recklessly spread their speculation and misinformation as fact.
 

CZroe

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Please cite a credible source reporting that Mohamed told the police it was a science project. Regardless of your super-duper l33t electronics skills when you were his age, he was obviously proud of it.
Baseless speculation.

Please cite a credible source reporting that Mohamed's "science teacher" told him to put the clock in his locker. First, it was his engineering teacher. Second, according to published reports, the teacher told him to put it away but did said nothing about keeping it in his locker. Third, according to published reports, Mohamed obeyed his teacher's instructions and put the clock away ... until the alarm sounded during English class later that day.
You don't think Engineering is science? People have said from the beginning that "Engineering" was a strange name for a freshman high school class but that is what was reported. You are really starting to break down because you don't realize that the same news outlets that fell for this were interchangeably describing the teacher as a science teacher or an engineering teacher and now you're trying to clarify a pointless distinction (strawman much?).

One of the big problems with this story is there are so many people like you who have so many basic facts wrong. This is in great part due to people like LK and CZroe who recklessly spread their speculation and misinformation as fact.

What basic facts are wrong? Give me one at a time and I will tell you where it came from... AGAIN.
 

bshole

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Is it baseless speculation that this great kid and his family were recently dining with a genocidal maniac? Why are you throwing down with a family that is openly anti-semitic and have no moral compuctions about befriending mass murderers? Is this really who you want to side with? You think they share your morals or worldview? WOULD YOU FUCKING MEET WITH AL-BASHIR FOR A NICE DINNER? For God's sake man, this is a no brainer.


The Janjaweed militia which President Al-Bashir recruited and armed was responsible for the deaths of 400,000 Africans from the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups.

Over 2,500,000 Africans were displaced in the process.
The al-Bashir regime blamed the Jews for the unrest and genocide in Darfur.
Last week Muslim student “Ahmed the Clock Boy” met with the genocidal leader.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ith-genocidal-muslim-leader-and-war-criminal/
 

unokitty

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Remember Obama's words:
"We should inspire more kids like you... It's what makes America great!"

Uno
 

yllus

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Honestly, the moment I saw the first photos of him handcuffed I thought something was off. It was just too perfect a news story, every detail (the look back at the camera while cuffed in a NASA t-shirt, what he said to the media) just too right.

I'd put this on the parents trying to make money and having planned it beforehand.
 

Bowfinger

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I never said it was proof. I said it was evidence.
Yawn. Then change the word from "proves" to "shows." Your suggestion this shows his guilt remains just as nonsensical. Lack of evidence does not constitute evidence. It's pure supposition.


That fact is that the school boldly stated that it would clear things up about their own actions.
And OJ's still looking for the real killer.

You immediately concluded the boy was guilty and the school and police were completely blameless. Every single thing you're read or heard since then you've twisted through that bias. Maybe the school has evidence that will help justify their reaction. Maybe they're blowing smoke. You don't know.


It stands to reason that if this were not true (like you assume) then Ahmed's family would happily release his disciplinary record ...
That's nonsense and you know it. There are many reasons why someone declines to reveal personal records, including the lack of any real benefit to doing so. What would the waiver accomplish? The school already has the records, and the court will get them soon enough. People like you are irrelevant to them, and you've already made up your minds anyway. What's the upside for Mohamed?


There is plenty of meaning here. [ ... puffery clipped ... ]
You continue to have trouble separating your vivid, biased imagination from facts. People with that problem are often considered delusional, even deranged.


Bull. Withholding it is what is causing speculation. If there were truly nothing to hide then it could only be more ammunition to support their accusation of racism and Islamophobia against the school. [ ... puffery clipped ...]
Sorry, you're just flat out lying here. The only question is whether you're deluding yourself. Whether you have the integrity to acknowledge it or not, the fact is you conspiracy nuts have perverted the sister's comment into an indictment against her brother and her family. One need only read any of the dozens of nutter media stories to see this. You personally have taken this even further, suggesting the fact the family is NOT trying to exploit this is further evidence of their nefarious plans. Deranged is knocking on your door.


Big whoop. My phone auto-corrected a typo and made it plural
Yet you let this purported error go by at least three times before addressing it. How convenient.


and you stooped low enough to try to work it into your point as if it would discredit me. ...
It was just one more thing you got wrong. One of many, yet you fixate on it while hoping the others will fade away.


Not because it fits my accusation, but because it fits their BEHAVIOR of not talking about it and not allowing the student record disclosure. [ ... clip, redundant ... ]
It's still nonsense, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.


LOL! I thought you just said that you don't treat speculation as fact. If it was a scam then their reaction (interrogating him and arresting him for a hoax bomb) was justified. You still seem to think that there is no way that the reaction was justified and you called that completely unproven and wishful position "truth" based on nothing more than their unsubstantiated claims. ...
You're lying again. What part of, "I've always conceded it's a possibility." is too hard for you?


O RLY?! The why are you almost the last one still defending him?
Because I am literate and have critical thinking skills. I know that your supposition and spin are not the same as fact.


Are you seriously telling me that the engineering teacher told him to keep it to himself and not show anyone else for any other reason? LOL! Talk about "speculation!" ...
No, I'm telling you the news reports did not state why the engineering teacher told him to put it away. I'm declining to fill that gap. You, on the other hand, fill it with self-serving supposition. My guess -- and yes, this is speculation -- is the engineering teacher would have also told him to put away any toys or gadgets Mohamed was showing around, not just his clock. (Note that unlike you, I labeled my speculation as speculation. Try it.)


Why are you repeating what I said? ...
Because part of what you said was accurate. I wanted to give you your gold star before moving on to the parts you invented.


Running a cord out and setting the alarm after being told not to draw attention to it is inexcusable. ...
Case in point. Pure speculation.

It's very possible to be accurate without being forthcoming and answering to their satisfaction. ...
Yes, it's certainly possible. I simply decline to treat your speculation as fact.


If they asked me why I brought it to school and I answered like Ahmed did with "to tell time," then I am being a smart-alec.
You might note that this wasn't an actual quote of what he told the police, but a paraphrase he gave the press much later. I agree, if he answered "Why did you bring this to school?" with "To tell time," Mohamed was being a smart-aleck. If, on the other hand, the question was, "What's it for?", "To tell time" is a reasonable answer. I wasn't there to hear the actual questions and answers, and neither were you.

By the way, to those who continue to insist this was a hoax bomb and Mohamed deliberately did this or that to make it look suspicious, I offer this quote from your link:
"We found no evidence to support the perception that he intended to create alarm," [ Irving Police Chief Larry ] Boyd said.
Note this is an actual fact, not your speculation, supposition, and insinuation.


You've been provided with every link and ignored them already. ...
You're lying again. You're dodging because you know I'm able to use your links against you, highlighting the difference between your spin and what was actually reported.
 
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yllus

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Aside from the too-perfect photo, it was these statements that got me wondering:

Family: Ahmed Mohamed, clock-making teen, transferring to another school

"I felt like I was a criminal," the teenager said. "I felt like I was a terrorist. I felt like all the names I was called."

Hayes asked what he meant.

In middle school, Ahmed said, he had been called "bombmaker" and a "terrorist."

Really? He harkens back to memories of being called a bombmaker, and then talks about his feelings on air like that? And notice that he makes it sounds like the teachers or police said this, but has a totally legit sounding way around that? What incredible timing and phrasing.

"I was scared at the moment, but now I feel really happy," he said. "I'm getting all this support from all over the world. And the support isn't just for me but for everyone who has been through this. I will fight for you if you can't stand up for yourself."

Scripted as all get out. He's 14! Grown adults with PR training are worse with picking their words than that.

Asked what his plans for the future are, he told GMA, "That clock was part of my future."

No way this is for real.
 

Bowfinger

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Is it baseless speculation that this great kid and his family were recently dining with a genocidal maniac? Why are you throwing down with a family that is openly anti-semitic and have no moral compuctions about befriending mass murderers? Is this really who you want to side with? You think they share your morals or worldview? WOULD YOU FUCKING MEET WITH AL-BASHIR FOR A NICE DINNER? For God's sake man, this is a no brainer. ...
The truth is what it is. Do I support this family associating with Al-Bashir? Of course not. I don't even support the $15 million demand, though I'd support a more modest amount. Nonetheless, from the beginning this story was plagued with partisan tools making all sorts of outrageous and deceptive claims. I've been correcting them ever since.
 

ivwshane

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Lol! And you double down! Amazing! You also don't appear to understand the difference between facts and speculation, I guess that explains why you don't know what evidence is. Bowfinger is a better man than me and has thoroughly debunked your dumb ass;)

"The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid." Yep. That's exactly the right definition. There are facts and information that indicate their intentions.

Have you never heard of circumstantial evidence? Circumstantial evidence is not proof, but it is evidence that indicates.

People's behavior in response to questioning is factual evidence just like a fingerprint putting you at the scene of a crime is factual evidence. It isn't necessarily proof of guilt, but it's factual evidence. Understand? There is plenty of EVIDENCE that this is a scam. There is not yet proof.

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My question for the kid would have been, "why do you think putting a clock in a suitcase qualifies as a science project"? That is about as inventive as putting your lunch in a lunch bag.

My 2nd question would have been, "when your science teacher told you to put the project in your locker and not show it around, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LISTEN YOU STUPID FUCKING JACKASS!!!!!"

It was a pencil case and none of the news reports that I saw indicated he was "showing it around". It was in his backpack.

The only jackass I see here is someone who continues to promote false information.
 

nixium

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LOL you bleeding hear liberals are so stupid. You're too nice, too naive. No idea how third worlders work and the deviousness we're capable of.
 

justoh

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Obvious setup is obvious. It's not a right v left thing. Stupid bastards.
 

silicon

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I still cannot understand why the media, the president and many others fawned and drooled over this kid and his science project?