AGP X1950PRO 512 & P4 Bottlenecks - Questions Answered

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Ahhh, makes sense. Your plans, your money

is it beginning to make financial sense to you yet?

It makes sense, but isn't something I would do. It isn't as if it didn't make sense, I was just surprised you would drop $80 bucks on a new CPU that probably won't increase your gaming at all. Sure, you may gain 5 - 7 frames per second on the top end, but I dunno, that just isn't worth the $80 to ME! I totally understand you budgted for it, smart move, but still isn't something I would do even if I had planned it advance. Not saying it is a bad invenstment, after all, it isn't. I just simply wouldn't pay the $80 to do what you are doing. But hey, you are the one that is footing the bill, right?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Ahhh, makes sense. Your plans, your money

is it beginning to make financial sense to you yet?

It makes sense, but isn't something I would do. It isn't as if it didn't make sense, I was just surprised you would drop $80 bucks on a new CPU that probably won't increase your gaming at all. Sure, you may gain 5 - 7 frames per second on the top end, but I dunno, that just isn't worth the $80 to ME! I totally understand you budgted for it, smart move, but still isn't something I would do even if I had planned it advance. Not saying it is a bad invenstment, after all, it isn't. I just simply wouldn't pay the $80 to do what you are doing. But hey, you are the one that is footing the bill, right?

what kind of drugs are you taking? :Q




the performance increase is largest in games ... they are similar CPUs but the EE not only has the advantage of a higher clockspeed but a 2MB L3 cache

it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

if i can get ANY kind of a decent OC, then it would be more like a 3000+ to 4000+ jump

IF you *still* think, that is not "significant" ... please share ... i AM planning to get another display -anytime- possible before my "makeover" and i don't want to be screwed by a slow-ass CPU

[share at least the drugs .... i am a bit 'down' today]
:laugh:

 

[apoppin]

i works fine in my IC7 ---but my HS is *insufficient*
[not to mention it's the old aluminium one and i broke the heat-stressed plastic holder in several places and had to superglue it, Mickey Mouse-like]

temps running in the hi70s ... fan at 90% ... CPU probably *throttling*

--forget testing it today

i will get a new HS tomorrow ... and let you know

oh yeah, got a new monitor ... 14x9 ...ArchAngel777

gonna need the 'EE"



i *see* why you guys like WS ... but it probably sucks for gaming ... only 5ms response

:laugh:

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear. An extra 200-300 MHz can make a significant difference when the rig is CPU limited whereas that same clock speed boost may only increase max fps a little when the rig is not CPU limited. So a jump from a 3000+ to a 3400+ can be very sizeable in real-world game performance even though it's not may not seem like much in benchmarks.

FWIW, I wouldn't have budgeted for the P4EE either. My mistake.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear. An extra 200-300 MHz can make a significant difference when the rig is CPU limited whereas that same clock speed boost may only increase max fps a little when the rig is not CPU limited. So a jump from a 3000+ to a 3400+ can be very sizeable in real-world game performance even though it's not may not seem like much in benchmarks.

FWIW, I wouldn't have budgeted for the P4EE either. My mistake.

Actually, now you will need to back that up with proof! Are you implying that 200 - 300 Mhz can double the framerate? That is absurd to say the least. They ARE linear, ESPECIALLY when CPU limited. You seem to magically think that the difference between a 2.5 Ghz and a 2.8 Ghz CPU can be 50% improvement in games? Now, as I say, PASS THE DRUGS! The CPU can only process so much at a given frequency and to imply that a 5% clock increase can grant substantially more than that in games is absurd in the highest level. At this point, the rules of logic are against you. This is of course, presuming that you are not doing something stupid and comparing a P4 2.5Ghz to a A64 2.8Ghz

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i works fine in my IC7 ---but my HS is *insufficient*
[not to mention it's the old aluminium one and i broke the heat-stressed plastic holder in several places and had to superglue it, Mickey Mouse-like]

temps running in the hi70s ... fan at 90% ... CPU probably *throttling*

--forget testing it today

i will get a new HS tomorrow ... and let you know

oh yeah, got a new monitor ... 14x9 ...ArchAngel777

gonna need the 'EE"



i *see* why you guys like WS ... but it probably sucks for gaming ... only 5ms response

:laugh:

This new monitor, is it an increase in resolution or decrease? Just curious... Because if you are increasing it, then I see even less of a reason to upgrade the CPU as more of the load is going on the GPU.

CPU SCALING BENCHMARKS

Anyway, happy for ya! Wide Screen is awesome, just flat out awesome... Now you just need a get a REAL internet connection... :laugh:

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear. An extra 200-300 MHz can make a significant difference when the rig is CPU limited whereas that same clock speed boost may only increase max fps a little when the rig is not CPU limited. So a jump from a 3000+ to a 3400+ can be very sizeable in real-world game performance even though it's not may not seem like much in benchmarks.

FWIW, I wouldn't have budgeted for the P4EE either. My mistake.

Actually, now you will need to back that up with proof!

I don't really feel like it ATM--maybe if you could be polite?

Are you implying that 200 - 300 Mhz can double the framerate?

Nope.

That is absurd to say the least.

Well, then why did you come up with the question in the first place?

They ARE linear, ESPECIALLY when CPU limited.

Now you're taking my *example* and making it the context of my *point*. :roll:

You seem to magically think that the difference between a 2.5 Ghz and a 2.8 Ghz CPU can be 50% improvement in games?

I do? Only a 50% improvement in games is significant?

Where *do* you pull these numbers from?

Now, as I say, PASS THE DRUGS!

Apparently you have no immediate need for them.

The CPU can only process so much at a given frequency and to imply that a 5% clock increase can grant substantially more than that in games is absurd in the highest level.

How many levels of absurdity are there?

At this point, the rules of logic are against you.

I can't. ATM they're otherwise occupied fighting your e-penis/straw-man.

This is of course, presuming that you are not doing something stupid and comparing a P4 2.5Ghz to a A64 2.8Ghz

Ah, so instead of being absurd and a drug addict, I could just be stupid.

:Q

Does your mother know you post like this?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

words

Sounds like you are taking this personally... One word - don't!

From 2.8Ghz to 3.2Ghz is a 14.5% increase in clock speed

From 3.2Ghz to 3.6Ghz is a 12.5% increase in clock speed

Now, does the performance in a CPU limited scenario grant results that are anomolies? I tell you no!

Go to the first page of this thread and look at the CPU limited results of HL2:Lost Coast. Look at what going from 2.8Ghz to 3.2Ghz did? Just what it was supposed to do in a completely CPU limited scenario. Performance went up a staggering 14%, which is nearly the clock speed increase!!! We might be on to something here!

Or, why not take a look at the 3D Mark 03, an old Benchmark! Surely, we might see scores move give better performance than they should - uhm no, they don't. Bummer, actually, the CPU means very little *even* in that benchmark.

It is your turn to find me an example of a game's framerate exceeding the percentage bump in processor speed. But you have to use the same CPU type, comparing an A64 with Core2 wouldn't be a real comparison. The proof is already stacked against you though, this thread itself proves and all you have to do is get out your calculator and run through the OP's first post.

What I *AM* saying, so people don't get the wrong idea. Does CPU speed matter? Of course it does and do not dissagree that having a decent CPU is needed for a great gaming experience. But as everyone knows, CPU speeds do not double every year, it generally takes 2-3 years. GPU speeds on the other hand, do in fact double every year (thus far they have). Knowing this little nugget of truth will help save a lot of money for future upgraders.

As far as Apop upgrading his CPU. I simply said it isn't something I would do. I didn't say it is a BAD choice, because the only BAD choice possible in this case was for him to give up on computer gaming... THAT would be bad and we wouldn't get all his thorough reviews in Software/Apps/Gaming forum.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear. An extra 200-300 MHz can make a significant difference when the rig is CPU limited whereas that same clock speed boost may only increase max fps a little when the rig is not CPU limited. So a jump from a 3000+ to a 3400+ can be very sizeable in real-world game performance even though it's not may not seem like much in benchmarks.

FWIW, I wouldn't have budgeted for the P4EE either. My mistake.

Actually, now you will need to back that up with proof! Are you implying that 200 - 300 Mhz can double the framerate? That is absurd to say the least. They ARE linear, ESPECIALLY when CPU limited. You seem to magically think that the difference between a 2.5 Ghz and a 2.8 Ghz CPU can be 50% improvement in games? Now, as I say, PASS THE DRUGS! The CPU can only process so much at a given frequency and to imply that a 5% clock increase can grant substantially more than that in games is absurd in the highest level. At this point, the rules of logic are against you. This is of course, presuming that you are not doing something stupid and comparing a P4 2.5Ghz to a A64 2.8Ghz

who said anything about *doubling* the frame rate?
:Q

--or that the difference between a 2.5 Ghz and a 2.8 Ghz [P4] can be 50% improvement in games?

you did ...


i said *substantial*as to "proof" ... of "substantial" .. that should be coming ... tonight ... assuming the temps drop out of the 70s with a real HSF [not my old 'broken' stock Al intel HSF] --- that is the *purpose* of this thread

======

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

This new monitor, is it an increase in resolution or decrease? Just curious... Because if you are increasing it, then I see even less of a reason to upgrade the CPU as more of the load is going on the GPU.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbar...om/page.php?al=8800GTX_cpu_scaling</a>">CPU SCALING BENCHMARKS</a>

Anyway, happy for ya! Wide Screen is awesome, just flat out awesome... Now you just need a get a REAL internet connection... :laugh:

actually it's pretty close ... 12x9 > 14x9 ... just *wider* ... not sure i 'love' it

as to your "link" [it's a *mess* btw], it is for the 8800GTX ... not a x1950p
--pretty much a green bananas to green mangos comparison
:roll:

ANYWAY, 'their'

Conclusions-...
From what we've experienced during the making of this Hardware Article, we can finally say that upgrading or overclocking a modern processor ( like the Intel Core 2 Duo & Core 2 Quad series ) will grant you none to minimal performance gains when using a display resolution of 1280x1024 pixels & over in combination with Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering ( over 4x ) with your GeForce 8800GTX powered gaming system.
If you're gaming in 1024x768 or 1280x1024 without or with 2x/4x filtering you will benefit ( how much ? depends on the processor performance margin & the game itself ) at some point ( considering that every single game is more than playable at these resolutions with the GeForce 8800GTX, getting 10 more FPS out of your processor ain't bad ).

let's see what i get ... tonight... assuming i can get it to run cool [i think iEE is throttling since my 3DMark05 score dropped - significantly ... 70+ is pretty warm]

if you are 100% right ... i can send it back
[throw the *rest* of my system in the trash and buy a PS3]
:shocked:

i doubt it ... we'll see

thanks for your ideas and PoV .... maybe we can share
[i am *much* better ... my uppers are ahead of my downers today]
:laugh:

EDIT: some of you guys are getting really *serious* over this
no need, please

let me *test* it ... soon ... then we can argue "specifics"

and thanks AA77 ..

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is like going from A64 3000+ to a A3400+ at the very least

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear. An extra 200-300 MHz can make a significant difference when the rig is CPU limited whereas that same clock speed boost may only increase max fps a little when the rig is not CPU limited. So a jump from a 3000+ to a 3400+ can be very sizeable in real-world game performance even though it's not may not seem like much in benchmarks.

FWIW, I wouldn't have budgeted for the P4EE either. My mistake.

Actually, now you will need to back that up with proof! Are you implying that 200 - 300 Mhz can double the framerate? That is absurd to say the least. They ARE linear, ESPECIALLY when CPU limited. You seem to magically think that the difference between a 2.5 Ghz and a 2.8 Ghz CPU can be 50% improvement in games? Now, as I say, PASS THE DRUGS! The CPU can only process so much at a given frequency and to imply that a 5% clock increase can grant substantially more than that in games is absurd in the highest level. At this point, the rules of logic are against you. This is of course, presuming that you are not doing something stupid and comparing a P4 2.5Ghz to a A64 2.8Ghz

who said anything about *doubling* the frame rate?
:Q

Well, actually, if we take a step back 1) I wasn't addressing you in that post, 2) before that he already violated the the conversation with his first sentance (the one I bolded) because I never claimed otherwise, thus he attributed false information to what I believe and 3) The reason I get doubling the frame-rate is because the word "substancial was used in his second sentance and to me, 10% isn't subsantial... 20%? No, why not just make the jump to 50%? I'll concede with 30%, but anything less isn't subsantial.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Null, it just dawned on me, did you write your first sentance correctly?

You wrote this

Maybe what ArchAngel777 isn't getting is that performance increases aren't linear.

But did you actually mean to say

Maybe what ArchAngel777 is getting at is that performance increases aren't linear.

This would have lined up with what I have said all along, that it IS linear, but *only* when CPU limited, thus, they aren't linear because most of the time you are not CPU limited... Trying to understand.

 

[apoppin]

excuse me AA777 ... +20% IS *substantial*, IMO

that is 'all' i am looking for

after all, it's a CPU upgrade for $80 - not a GPU upgrade for $250

--try to put it into [my] perspective

i am looking for a bit more 'balance' in my rig ... my 2.80c is straining in some games ...even o/c'd
[if the 3.4EE - O/C'd - does NOT make a 'substantial' improvement, it goes back]

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
excuse me AA777 ... +20% IS *substantial*, IMO

that is 'all' i am looking for

after all, it's a CPU upgrade for $80 - not a GPU upgrade for $250

--try to put it into [my] perspective

i am looking for a bit more 'balance' in my rig ... my 2.80c is straining in some games ...even o/c'd
[if the 3.4EE - O/C'd - does NOT make a 'substantial' improvement, it goes back]

Well, since the definition of the word is open to a wide array of meanings, then I guess everyone should learn to avoid using terms that can go either way. Honestly, I don't consider 20% substancial and someone might not even consider 50% substantial, thus, the word is sort-of useless when talking factual figures. In mathematics, you need to define the values. I suppose I am just used to dealing with black and white that if someone says something, I translate it into a figure based on my interpretation of it... WOAH! THAT IS DEEP!

Well, then you summed it up Apop, since 20% is substantial for you, I think you will be happy with your purchase. You will get your 20% in 3DMARK05/06 for certain and you will get it in games with 2XAA At 14X9, but I don't believe you are going to get that once you turn up AA to 4X. We shall see, tonight... !! !! !!

 

[apoppin]

*agreed*

finally



and maybe not tonight ... i may not be able to get a decent HSF in time

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186134

looks like the ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler for $35 might be a good choice and i can use it for Core2Duo next year

 

[nullpointerus]

ArchAngel777:

You laced your post with personal insults, and now you expect me not to take it personally?



Whatever.

FWIW, performance increases aren't linear. IOW, the magnitude of the increases depend on the games and the settings used. That's *all* I was saying. Significant itself is a relative term, evidenced by the fact that you defined it in *your* concrete terms and then held *me* accountable for your definition. You could've at least asked what I meant.

Maybe my abstract use of the word linear confused you since it's also common benchmarking jargon?

Anyway, according to what I've read elsewhere, apoppin's already CPU limited with his X1950 Pro, so 3.2->3.8/4.0 w/ L3 cache for $80 difference when gaming at 14x9 would make sense. Picking up a s478 PCI-E/AGP/DDR combo board wouldn't make as much sense considering his 3.2 OC'd P4 is already holding back his AGP X1950 Pro. As I said before, I would normally have agreed with you, but the whole socket/PCI-E/DDR2 change threw off a lot of traditional knowledge about incremental upgrades.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
ArchAngel777:

You laced your post with personal insults, and now you expect me not to take it personally?



Whatever.

FWIW, performance increases aren't linear. IOW, the magnitude of the increases depend on the games and the settings used. That's *all* I was saying. Significant itself is a relative term, evidenced by the fact that you defined it in *your* concrete terms and then held *me* accountable for your definition. You could've at least asked what I meant.

Maybe my abstract use of the word linear confused you since it's also common benchmarking jargon?

Anyway, according to what I've read elsewhere, apoppin's already CPU limited with his X1950 Pro, so 3.2->3.8/4.0 w/ L3 cache for $80 difference when gaming at 14x9 would make sense. Picking up a s478 PCI-E/AGP/DDR combo board wouldn't make as much sense considering his 3.2 OC'd P4 is already holding back his AGP X1950 Pro. As I said before, I would normally have agreed with you, but the whole socket/PCI-E/DDR2 change threw off a lot of traditional knowledge about incremental upgrades.

Actually, there were no personal insults, only potential ones. I believe you have seen Appopin use the same phrases with me? I don't take them as insults, because they aren't... I used qualifiers for my *potential* insults anyway, so if you did *qualify*, well... I am sorry.

But just keep in mind that you also return insult and keep doing it... I have not. In fact, the *potential* insults stopped after the first reply to you, despite your continueing of them. But, I care not, not really, it is only a forum.

 

[apoppin]

it's *video*

"only" video

mellow out, guys ... and no need to take anything personally
:lips:

for some reason, AA777 and i tend to 'kid' each other ... and it might be "spilling over" to other more *sensitive* members


i ran 3DMark05 this morning ... i can almost 'see' the EE throttle ... with cooler ambient temps, it's "only" running in the hi60s [plus]

i'd better get a new HSF .... today --or put my old cpu back in
:Q

see you tonight!

peace and aloha

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i ran 3DMark05 this morning ... i can almost 'see' the EE throttle ... with cooler ambient temps, it's "only" running in the hi60s [plus]

I just seen a vision... You came home just as the blue smoke left the processor... It was like burning incense, except that it didn't smell good. Then, you looked at your computer monitor and it said "No Signal" and was blinking over and over and then - it just ended. The vision ended.

 

[nullpointerus]

ArchAngel777:

I completely disagree. You had no reason to respond angrily the first time; there was no point in lacing your post with insults--potential or otherwise--and your other responses continued to insult my intelligence. Apoppin at least uses smilies and takes the extra step to clarify that he's using good-natured humor (when someone has missed that). I don't expect you to own up to what you did, but next time try asking what I meant instead of just making something up and then repeatedly flaming me for it. It's good netiquitte.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
ArchAngel777:

I completely disagree. You had no reason to respond angrily the first time; there was no point in lacing your post with insults--potential or otherwise--and your other responses continued to insult my intelligence. Apoppin at least uses smilies and takes the extra step to clarify that he's using good-natured humor (when someone has missed that). I don't expect you to own up to what you did, but next time try asking what I meant instead of just making something up and then repeatedly flaming me for it. It's good netiquitte.

Again, your post is riddled with lies. At this point, there will be no more correspondence with you, since you cannot even stick to what was said, but continue to instigate. :thumbsdown:

 

[Stumps]

what the hell happened in this thread?

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
ArchAngel777:

I completely disagree. You had no reason to respond angrily the first time; there was no point in lacing your post with insults--potential or otherwise--and your other responses continued to insult my intelligence. Apoppin at least uses smilies and takes the extra step to clarify that he's using good-natured humor (when someone has missed that). I don't expect you to own up to what you did, but next time try asking what I meant instead of just making something up and then repeatedly flaming me for it. It's good netiquitte.

Again, your post is riddled with lies. At this point, there will be no more correspondence with you, since you cannot even stick to what was said, but continue to instigate. :thumbsdown:

Just as long as you don't bother me again. :thumbsup:

 

[apoppin]

back from work and Video is ... the usual
:disgust:


ANYway ... ArchAngel777 Prepare yourself ...


--to be *Blown Away*

i know i was ...



OK, i went to PC Club B&M and picked out the TT regular Prescott Cooler [to 3.6Ghz] so i can test my CPU and return or upgrade it easily.


Well, booted into BIOS with it and nopticed temperatures were down from almost 80c to high 50s .... o/c'd it [FSB > 212 1:1 divider ... an *easy one* to 3.6Ghz]

Ran 3DMark05 ... 9137 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so ... in my identical rig ... no changes *except* from a 2.80c @3.25Ghz got 8075 to a 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz is *over* 1,000 marks more to 9137
:Q

i haven't even tried 3.7 or 3.8 ... i may have to drop the memory divider ... but my upgrade IS already significant

i bet i can get over 10,000 if i OC my X1950p/512M also

not bad for AGP ... and imo, a substantial upgrade ... for $80

here is the O/C'ing thread ... i will duplicate the info there and try for an "extreme" O/C
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=40&threadid=2012696&enterthread=y

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin
back from work and Video is ... the usual
isgust:


ANYway ... ArchAngel777 Prepare yourself


to be *Blown Away*

i know i was ...



OK, i went to PC Club B&M and picked out the TT regular Prescott Cooler [to 3.6Ghz] so i can test my CPU and return or upgrade it easily.


Well, booted into BIOS with it and nopticed temperatures were down from almost 80c to high 50s .... o/c'd it [FSB > 212 1:1 divider ... an *easy one*]

Ran 3DMark05 ... 9137 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so ... in my identical rig ... no changes *except* from a 2.80c @3.25Ghz at 8075 to a 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz is *over* 1,000 marks
:Q

i haven tried 3.7 or 3.8 ... i may have to drop the memory divider ... but my upgrade IS significant

i bet i can get over 10,000 if i OC my X1950p/512M also

not bad for AGP ... and imo, a substantial upgrade ... for $80

here is the O/C'ing thread ... i will duplicate the info there and try for an "extreme" O/C
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=40&threadid=2012696&enterthread=y

Holy sh!t 9137...do you have a screenshot just for verification purposes?

your only 160 points or so under my rig....damn I didn't think an EE would make that much difference.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin
back from work and Video is ... the usual
isgust:


ANYway ... ArchAngel777 Prepare yourself


to be *Blown Away*

i know i was ...



OK, i went to PC Club B&M and picked out the TT regular Prescott Cooler [to 3.6Ghz] so i can test my CPU and return or upgrade it easily.


Well, booted into BIOS with it and nopticed temperatures were down from almost 80c to high 50s .... o/c'd it [FSB > 212 1:1 divider ... an *easy one*]

Ran 3DMark05 ... 9137 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so ... in my identical rig ... no changes *except* from a 2.80c @3.25Ghz at 8075 to a 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz is *over* 1,000 marks
:Q

i haven tried 3.7 or 3.8 ... i may have to drop the memory divider ... but my upgrade IS significant

i bet i can get over 10,000 if i OC my X1950p/512M also

not bad for AGP ... and imo, a substantial upgrade ... for $80

here is the O/C'ing thread ... i will duplicate the info there and try for an "extreme" O/C
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=40&threadid=2012696&enterthread=y

Holy sh!t 9137...do you have a screenshot just for verification purposes?

your only 160 points or so under my rig....damn I didn't think an EE would make that much difference.

no ... but i can give the details if you like

and neither did i ... .. not just at 3.6Ghz ... i guess the 2MB L3 cache was a good idea
:Q

now let me go and try to *really* O/C it ... i may also end up with a really "nice" cooler tomorrow [i'm thinking the TT 'Tornado' if she is a mean o/c'er]

... and some killer RAM if it does

maybe i will upgrade in '09 instead of '08
:shocked:

naw


naw