Afghan Militants Intrude Pakistan and kill 27 troop

[DominionSeraph]

Why does Pakistan even exist? Just give your backwards tribal regions to Afghanistan and let India take what passes for civilization.
Problem solved.

 

[lupi]

Your intelligence failed. You could not detect that a plot on such a large scale was being plotted. Going by the logic of those here, that was a security failure with no fault of the Taliban, where the plot was hatched.

get back to us when you can detect that your neighboor next to your military academy is being invaded.

 

[The Green Bean]

Why does Pakistan even exist? Just give your backwards tribal regions to Afghanistan and let India take what passes for civilization.
Problem solved.

It exists because Muslims of British ruled India feared that when the British left, the Hindus would undermine Muslim interests. The hostility between India and Pakistan proves that they were right. Now you might have a Muslim here and there that would claim that he is treated well in India, but by in large Muslims are still oppressed (may be not at the top level, but throughout Indian society). However, I still believe that the future to the region is a grand economic alliance made up of smaller states: a European model as opposed to an American one. However, there are too many obstacles to that--foreign interference.

Perhaps it is the British legacy of divide and rule that has prompted the modern states of the region to think big. But if everyone had more autonomy, there would be much more prosperity and lesser conflict.

 

[The Green Bean]

Leave Afghanistan and let Pakistan have it. Problem solved.

That's the problem. The Americans have are in two minds, whether to leave or whether to fully commit. Either solve the problem, or leave! The in-between approach has caused more problems than it has solved. The Pakistani government maintains that ISAF don't have enough troops on the ground.

The situation on the ground is much more complicated than it seems.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's the problem. The Americans have are in two minds, whether to leave or whether to fully commit. Either solve the problem, or leave! The in-between approach has caused more problems than it has solved. The Pakistani government maintains that ISAF don't have enough troops on the ground.

The situation on the ground is much more complicated than it seems.

If we were to fully commit to the Taliban problem, Pakistan would have to cave in and give up its support of the terrorists.

It's kinda hard to have Taliban protected in Pakistan while not having the authority to act within the border, how about you figure it out and ask us for help if you can't handle your own territory? It's not like it's not been done before, we were there in 02.

 

[The Green Bean]

If we were to fully commit to the Taliban problem, Pakistan would have to cave in and give up its support of the terrorists.

It's kinda hard to have Taliban protected in Pakistan while not having the authority to act within the border, how about you figure it out and ask us for help if you can't handle your own territory? It's not like it's not been done before, we were there in 02.

Reports say 1000 militants crossed the Afghan border into Pakistan. 1000 is NOT a small number! Americans are claiming the opposite that the Taliban are finding refuge in Pakistan. However, this proves otherwise. Has there ever been an operation of such a scale launched into Afghanistan from Pakistan?

I don't know what the motive for this attack was. It feels like a war zone. It's impossible to understand who to trust and who not to. I think it's a complicated situation here and not as simple as people on this forum are making it to be. I'm pretty sure that spies from all over the world have infiltrated our minds and ranks. It's really hard to understand who we are fighting against. It's not as simple as they teach you in America: it's not good vs evil. War never is. I don't know what will happen.

 

[Zebo]

Reports say 1000 militants crossed the Afghan border into Pakistan. 1000 is NOT a small number! Americans are claiming the opposite that the Taliban are finding refuge in Pakistan. However, this proves otherwise. Has there ever been an operation of such a scale launched into Afghanistan from Pakistan?

I don't know what the motive for this attack was. It feels like a war zone. It's impossible to understand who to trust and who not to. I think it's a complicated situation here and not as simple as people on this forum are making it to be. I'm pretty sure that spies from all over the world have infiltrated our minds and ranks. It's really hard to understand who we are fighting against. It's not as simple as they teach you in America: it's not good vs evil. War never is. I don't know what will happen.

Taliban leaders in this video in pakistan say "ISI could round us up in an hour if they want, they know who and where we are."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kill-capture/

So don't play "woe is me" bull. This is pakistans shock troops armed, supported by and directed by ISI. Maybe an honest troop got in their way as they were coming home from Afghan mission and taliban killed them. Happens all the time. You've lost a lot playing double game.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Reports say 1000 militants crossed the Afghan border into Pakistan. 1000 is NOT a small number! Americans are claiming the opposite that the Taliban are finding refuge in Pakistan. However, this proves otherwise. Has there ever been an operation of such a scale launched into Afghanistan from Pakistan?

I don't know what the motive for this attack was. It feels like a war zone. It's impossible to understand who to trust and who not to. I think it's a complicated situation here and not as simple as people on this forum are making it to be. I'm pretty sure that spies from all over the world have infiltrated our minds and ranks. It's really hard to understand who we are fighting against. It's not as simple as they teach you in America: it's not good vs evil. War never is. I don't know what will happen.

There are ten times that crossing in and out and even more living in Pakistan with the ISI knowing about it.

It's because of you and people like you, you have expressed that you hate NATO and the US/UK forces in the vincinity and you don't like your government working with us...

Well you got what you asked for and NOW YOU ARE COMPLAINING?

We dealt with it, there were no attacks in Pakistan, you asked us to stop and now there is and you are blaming US for that?

Are you fucking retarded?

Oh, and son, i'm not American and i don't really give a fuck about them either unless it involves my small team, on this issue, it does but it was your request that have left your sorry arses vulnerable, at least try to reign in the ISI walnuts who are going rogue or we will.

 

[tvarad]

It exists because Muslims of British ruled India feared that when the British left, the Hindus would undermine Muslim interests. The hostility between India and Pakistan proves that they were right. Now you might have a Muslim here and there that would claim that he is treated well in India, but by in large Muslims are still oppressed (may be not at the top level, but throughout Indian society). However, I still believe that the future to the region is a grand economic alliance made up of smaller states: a European model as opposed to an American one. However, there are too many obstacles to that--foreign interference.

Perhaps it is the British legacy of divide and rule that has prompted the modern states of the region to think big. But if everyone had more autonomy, there would be much more prosperity and lesser conflict.

Day in and day out, the folly of the creation of Pakistan is being enacted on the world stage. And, given what's happening in Pakistan, Muslims in India must be thanking their lucky stars that they are being oppressed in India rather than being blown to bits in Pakistan. And we'll leave the condition of minorities there for another day. If I were you, I'd be a little more grateful to the British, without whom the monstrosity called Pakistan wouldn't even have been created. The irony is that it is Indians who should have been p*ssed off with the British and Pakistanis grateful to them for partition. And yet India has great relations with her former colonial masters while Pakistanis repay the favor with bombings and even misogyny. Go figure.

 

[The Green Bean]

Day in and day out, the folly of the creation of Pakistan is being enacted on the world stage. And, given what's happening in Pakistan, Muslims in India must be thanking their lucky stars that they are being oppressed in India rather than being blown to bits in Pakistan. And we'll leave the condition of minorities there for another day. If I were you, I'd be a little more grateful to the British, without whom the monstrosity called Pakistan wouldn't even have been created. The irony is that it is Indians who should have been p*ssed off with the British and Pakistanis grateful to them for partition. And yet India has great relations with her former colonial masters while Pakistanis repay the favor with bombings and even misogyny. Go figure.

Even though Pakistan is going through a tough patch, the Muslims are much better off in Pakistan than their Indian brethren. The Muslims of India, even though they hold Indian passports, are Pakistanis. I have a hindu neighbour, a christian friend and I was taught by Parsis (Zoroastrians). They are treated like everybody else. While my family in India have been unable to find an apartment because they are Muslim.

 

[cganesh75]

Even though Pakistan is going through a tough patch, the Muslims are much better off in Pakistan than their Indian brethren. The Muslims of India, even though they hold Indian passports, are Pakistanis. I have a hindu neighbour, a christian friend and I was taught by Parsis (Zoroastrians). They are treated like everybody else. While my family in India have been unable to find an apartment because they are Muslim.

lol. sureeeee.. how many non-muslim presidents you guys had? how many Muslim presidents India had? there are more muslims in India than the entire pakistan.. you claim that india is treating muslims differently? pathetic

 

[routan]

Chumps. The Green Bean baited and mocked the usual mowrons by talking about US and Afghan control of the border area the same way we vilify them for failing to do the same thing.

And what he got was just a mindless USA! USA! USA! chant, which proves his point entirely.

Look at yourselves, gentlemen, to see the face of stark raving denial.

:thumbsup:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

lol. sureeeee.. how many non-muslim presidents you guys had? how many Muslim presidents India had? there are more muslims in India than the entire pakistan.. you claim that india is treating muslims differently? pathetic

That is false, Muslims are treated like sheit in India, they are untouchables.

I know that Indians want to pretend the old Caste system doesn't exist but it does and it's worse than racism because it's a neverending philosophy within any ranks and colours.

India is one shithole that needs to be nuked.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

:thumbsup:

Kind of hard to agree when i'm not American but do agree that truth is indeed true.

 

[routan]

lol. sureeeee.. how many non-muslim presidents you guys had? how many Muslim presidents India had? there are more muslims in India than the entire pakistan.. you claim that india is treating muslims differently? pathetic

lol, presidents of a state is a most ridiculous example. The United States has not had any Hindu or a Muslim president. What exactly does that prove?

I do know all through undergraduate and graduate studies, all Indian Muslims hung around with the Pakistanis and the MSA, and not with their non-Muslim Indian compatriots. India has also seen anti-Muslim violence never seen in other nations, such as the Gujurat Massacre, and the continued army brutality in Kashmir.

 

[busydude]

"Reports say 1000 militants crossed the Afghan border into Pakistan. 1000 is NOT a small number! Americans are claiming the opposite that the Taliban are finding refuge in Pakistan. However, this proves otherwise. Has there ever been an operation of such a scale launched into Afghanistan from Pakistan?"

Pot calling the kettle black.. Much? No one in Pakistan speaks against the state sponsored terrorism against India. It is already too late to realize that you have shooting yourselves in the foot for the past 40 years... Now you are incessantly crying about how India is gaining popularity in Afghanistan.

 

[busydude]

I meant your government and the military.

 

[crisscross]

That is false, Muslims are treated like sheit in India, they are untouchables.

I know that Indians want to pretend the old Caste system doesn't exist but it does and it's worse than racism because it's a neverending philosophy within any ranks and colours.

India is one shithole that needs to be nuked.

umm okay.. i will have whatever it is you are smoking.

 

[crisscross]

I am actually glad India and Pakistan were split into two. Imagine having to deal with all the idiots if Pakistan had been a part of India. A big thank you to the British!

 

[crisscross]

lol, presidents of a state is a most ridiculous example. The United States has not had any Hindu or a Muslim president. What exactly does that prove?

I do know all through undergraduate and graduate studies, all Indian Muslims hung around with the Pakistanis and the MSA, and not with their non-Muslim Indian compatriots. India has also seen anti-Muslim violence never seen in other nations, such as the Gujurat Massacre, and the continued army brutality in Kashmir.

Yeah sure.. never mind the fact that the Gujarat violence was in retaliation to a hindu pilgrims being burnt alive in a train. Never mind the fact that Kashmiri Hindus have been exterminated in Kashmir by the muslims. Don't let facts like that get in the way of sweeping statements.
You armchair critics disgust me...You sit a million miles away and talk crap about a civilization which was the first to shelter oppressed Jews and Parsis.

 

[nick1985]

Pakistan is a shithole.

LOL

 

[routan]

Yeah sure.. never mind the fact that the Gujarat violence was in retaliation to a hindu pilgrims being burnt alive in a train. Never mind the fact that Kashmiri Hindus have been exterminated in Kashmir by the muslims. Don't let facts like that get in the way of sweeping statements.
You armchair critics disgust me...You sit a million miles away and talk crap about a civilization which was the first to shelter oppressed Jews and Parsis.

Hindu pilgrims? You got to be kidding me. Are pilgrims supposed to expose themselves? Rip off scarves of Muslim women? You can try to bury the truth with so-called Indian governement and court reports, but in the ent, truth will prevail:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/4858

You talk of Kashmiri Hindus being exterminated and accuse me of ignoring facts? Ridiculous.

Lets even go with what you profess to be the truth. Obviously Muslims in India do NOT get along with the non-Muslims and vice versa. So you just proved TGB point.

A civilization which sheltered Jews and Zoroastrians? LOL. There was no "civilization" before Muslims came and ruled India for 600+ years. There were just different tribes practicing castes with untouchables and sati and whatnot. Even the word "Hindu" is based off of "Hind" which is Arabic of beautiful. Arabs called River Indus as River Hind.

In either case, your post is worthless.

 

[busydude]

A civilization which sheltered Jews and Zoroastrians? LOL. There was no "civilization" before Muslims came and ruled India for 600+ years. There were just different tribes practicing castes with untouchables and sati and whatnot.

Yeah right.

 

[tvarad]

I am actually glad India and Pakistan were split into two. Imagine having to deal with all the idiots if Pakistan had been a part of India. A big thank you to the British!

Actually, the people who need to be thanked are Nehru, Vallabhai Patel etc.. who figured out that India would be fighting an endless civil war if the feudal bigots in Jinnah's camp didn't get their way and agreed to the partition of India over the idealist Gandhi's vociferous objections. Better to amputate the gangrenous parts to save the body. How prescient they were.

 

[crisscross]

Hindu pilgrims? You got to be kidding me. Are pilgrims supposed to expose themselves? Rip off scarves of Muslim women? You can try to bury the truth with so-called Indian governement and court reports, but in the ent, truth will prevail:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/4858

You talk of Kashmiri Hindus being exterminated and accuse me of ignoring facts? Ridiculous.

Lets even go with what you profess to be the truth. Obviously Muslims in India do NOT get along with the non-Muslims and vice versa. So you just proved TGB point.

A civilization which sheltered Jews and Zoroastrians? LOL. There was no "civilization" before Muslims came and ruled India for 600+ years. There were just different tribes practicing castes with untouchables and sati and whatnot. Even the word "Hindu" is based off of "Hind" which is Arabic of beautiful. Arabs called River Indus as River Hind.

In either case, your post is worthless.

There was no civilization before Muslims came and ruled India? What about the first University in the world? Takshashila? You talk about Sati? I have news for you.. Sati is no longer practiced anywhere in India except maybe some remote tribal place. Last i checked you guys still practice honour killings and treat rape victims as criminals.

On the caste system why don't you first start treating Ahmadis as Muslims before you point fingers at other religions? And if your Islamic religion is so just and true why the hell are they revolting all over the middle east?

And lastly who the fuck are you to decide whether or not my post is worthless? This is not even your fucking thread. Pompous ass