Affirmative Action - Get rid of it...work for a living!

[NikPreviousAcct]

Okay, I have just a few things to say about all of this.

Slavory:

Were you, YOURSELF, a slave?
1) If yes, I'm sorry.
2) If no, SHUT THE FVCK UP.

Were your ancestors slaves?
1) If yes, then that's their problem and not yours. SHUT THE FVCK UP.
2) If no, SHUT THE FVCK UP.

Was your race the only race in history to be driven into slavory?
1) If yes, you're either an uneducated swine or a liar so SHUT THE FVCK UP.
2) If no, you're right so SHUT THE FVCK UP.


Affirmative Action:

Giving goods/services/rights to whites and refusing those same goods/services/rights to blacks and others is racism.
Giving goods/services/rights to blacks and refusing those same goods/services/rights to whites and others is racism.
Giving goods/services/rights to hispanics and refusing those same goods/services/rights to whites, blacks, and others is racism.

Giving any sort of added assistance to people based on race where the assistance to another people group based on race is different is (you guessed it) RACISM. If you offer the same "added assistance" to anyone, it's not "added" it's "standard" in which case everybody has an equal opportunity and nobody "deserves" anything more than anyone else. That's how it should be.

Making ANY decision based on race is... you guessed it...

Affirmative Action --*COUGH*uh*cough* sorry, I meant racism.


Now I'm going to go play some Star Wars Galaxies. My character is a little green greedo-type character who is short, who wears a longer formal shirt that makes him look like he's wearing a martial arts uniform, and a large, round hat. I'm going to take my chinese-wannabe bounty hunter and go kill some small animals trying to make a living.

 

[n0cmonkey]

The thing about AA that many people don't understand is that it asks people to take more than just scores on test into consideration. Someone that studied abroad for a few years should get some credit because of that when applying to college. When you apply for a job, speaking multiple languages is a good thing. If we did college admission just based on test scores everything would be out of whack. Some people went to tougher high schools and may have gotten lower grades because of it. Others might have gone to easier high schools and glided through. Judging the merit of each high school is too labor intensive and probably not worth the effort. If someone does not have the advantages another person has and has a tougher life to live, shouldn't they get the chance to be on the same level at some point as some rich kid who had bitched because he got a porche on his 16th b-day? Plus, think of the different point of views you can get with a diverse work force. The rich kid brings something to the table, and so does the guy from the ghetto. And I can't think of a male dominated company that couldn't use the touch of an intelligent woman.

Quotas are bad. Applying a point system and taking race, sex, etc into consideration is bad. Considering race in hiring/admission practices isn't bad, if done well. Of course, merit earned should be the most important factor. If the kid skated through high school based on his football abilities and not being able to read should have absolutely no chance of taking the place of a scholar in the acedemic world. If you want to stop real tragedy, stop the waste on college/high school sports. Put the focus back to where it should be, academics.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

It should be as easy as taking a test. If you went to a tough high school and didn't learn anything, tough. If you went to an easy high school and learned nothing (but got good grades), tough.

Entrance exams should be about what you already know and shouldn't be based on anything else. Just your own knowledge. If you speak a second language, GREAT! But having to study abroad to recognize that you're bilingual is ridiculous.

Take the damn test. Did you pass? Did you fail? It should be as simple as taking a math test at the end of the semester.

 

[Yax]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
The thing about AA that many people don't understand is that it asks people to take more than just scores on test into consideration. Someone that studied abroad for a few years should get some credit because of that when applying to college. When you apply for a job, speaking multiple languages is a good thing. If we did college admission just based on test scores everything would be out of whack. Some people went to tougher high schools and may have gotten lower grades because of it. Others might have gone to easier high schools and glided through. Judging the merit of each high school is too labor intensive and probably not worth the effort. If someone does not have the advantages another person has and has a tougher life to live, shouldn't they get the chance to be on the same level at some point as some rich kid who had bitched because he got a porche on his 16th b-day? Plus, think of the different point of views you can get with a diverse work force. The rich kid brings something to the table, and so does the guy from the ghetto. And I can't think of a male dominated company that couldn't use the touch of an intelligent woman.

Quotas are bad. Applying a point system and taking race, sex, etc into consideration is bad. Considering race in hiring/admission practices isn't bad, if done well. Of course, merit earned should be the most important factor. If the kid skated through high school based on his football abilities and not being able to read should have absolutely no chance of taking the place of a scholar in the acedemic world. If you want to stop real tragedy, stop the waste on college/high school sports. Put the focus back to where it should be, academics.

Using race as a consideration for anything is bad! What makes you think the black kid you're hiring was from the ghettos? What makes you think the white kid was rich? Do some research, you'll find out that white and asian kids from poorer families, on the average, do better in school and on tests than blacks from families making over 60k. Now to say we will allow the black person to get into the better school because he's black is stupid.
Why shouldn't the most qualified person get the job? Bringing diversity to the workforce is fine, but not at the cost of efficiency. So the person you didn't hire, who's more qualified, gets a job with a competing company, now yours is screwed because they come out with better products. Thanks AA.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
It should be as easy as taking a test. If you went to a tough high school and didn't learn anything, tough. If you went to an easy high school and learned nothing (but got good grades), tough.

Entrance exams should be about what you already know and shouldn't be based on anything else. Just your own knowledge. If you speak a second language, GREAT! But having to study abroad to recognize that you're bilingual is ridiculous.

Take the damn test. Did you pass? Did you fail? It should be as simple as taking a math test at the end of the semester.

Tests mean nothing in my opinion. Some people test well, some people don't. Sometimes, those people that do not test well can work out a heck of a lot better than those that do. I don't test well. I went to a tough school. I didn't pay attention. Of course, I work damn hard and have a decent job because of it. But there are some people that try and try but cannot test well. Tests cannot cover all parts of the lives of the people you are looking at accepting or hiring.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: cheapbidder01

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
The thing about AA that many people don't understand is that it asks people to take more than just scores on test into consideration. Someone that studied abroad for a few years should get some credit because of that when applying to college. When you apply for a job, speaking multiple languages is a good thing. If we did college admission just based on test scores everything would be out of whack. Some people went to tougher high schools and may have gotten lower grades because of it. Others might have gone to easier high schools and glided through. Judging the merit of each high school is too labor intensive and probably not worth the effort. If someone does not have the advantages another person has and has a tougher life to live, shouldn't they get the chance to be on the same level at some point as some rich kid who had bitched because he got a porche on his 16th b-day? Plus, think of the different point of views you can get with a diverse work force. The rich kid brings something to the table, and so does the guy from the ghetto. And I can't think of a male dominated company that couldn't use the touch of an intelligent woman.

Quotas are bad. Applying a point system and taking race, sex, etc into consideration is bad. Considering race in hiring/admission practices isn't bad, if done well. Of course, merit earned should be the most important factor. If the kid skated through high school based on his football abilities and not being able to read should have absolutely no chance of taking the place of a scholar in the acedemic world. If you want to stop real tragedy, stop the waste on college/high school sports. Put the focus back to where it should be, academics.

Using race as a consideration for anything is bad! What makes you think the black kid you're hiring was from the ghettos? What makes you think the white kid was rich? Do some research, you'll find out that white and asian kids from poorer families, on the average, do better in school and on tests than blacks from families making over 60k. Now to say we will allow the black person to get into the better school because he's black is stupid.
Why shouldn't the most qualified person get the job? Bringing diversity to the workforce is fine, but not at the cost of efficiency. So the person you didn't hire, who's more qualified, gets a job with a competing company, now yours is screwed because they come out with better products. Thanks AA.

I never once said the most qualified person shouldn't get the job. But what qualifies one person better than another? Because they scored higher on some stupid test? That's bull. Blacks are often ignored because they are black. There has to be a way to equal out the playing field.

 

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
It should be as easy as taking a test. If you went to a tough high school and didn't learn anything, tough. If you went to an easy high school and learned nothing (but got good grades), tough.

Entrance exams should be about what you already know and shouldn't be based on anything else. Just your own knowledge. If you speak a second language, GREAT! But having to study abroad to recognize that you're bilingual is ridiculous.

Take the damn test. Did you pass? Did you fail? It should be as simple as taking a math test at the end of the semester.

Tests mean nothing in my opinion. Some people test well, some people don't. Sometimes, those people that do not test well can work out a heck of a lot better than those that do. I don't test well. I went to a tough school. I didn't pay attention. Of course, I work damn hard and have a decent job because of it. But there are some people that try and try but cannot test well. Tests cannot cover all parts of the lives of the people you are looking at accepting or hiring.

Some people get really nervous for their driving tests and end up failing. Does that mean that granting a drivers' license should be racially biased because some people have had ancestors who had hardships?

No. It's based on how you test.

Sometimes things don't go your way. Instead of crying, people should just sign up for the next best thing, or try again. We can't make sure that things are absolutely fair to every person in every situation.

If I had a stomach ache on the day of the SATs, that's my own damn tough luck. How is that different from someone not testing well? There are programs that guarantee a higher score, you know.

 

[WhiteKnight]

I'd agree that tests certainly don't test everything but I don't think that they are completely worthless.

 

[Leon]

Oh wait most Black and Native Americans DONT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS!!!!!

So, what can we do, have the government set up internet access for all black people for free? Or perhaps earn the money, and actually pay for internet, like everybody else.

I bet you are in support of reparation payments too. Playing the race card to get a free ride. You make me sick dude.

Leon

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Leon

Oh wait most Black and Native Americans DONT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS!!!!!

So, what can we do, have the government set up internet access for all black people for free? Or perhaps earn the money, and actually pay for internet, like everybody else.

I bet you are in support of reparation payments too. Playing the race card to get a free ride. You make me sick dude.

Leon

I currently live in an area that is more than fifty percent black, so I'm not saying all blacks, but the ones in my experience.

Many of the blacks in my area have chosen to spend their money on things that I don't see whites in my area spending their money on, such as "fronts" and "spinnas." I also have noticed that more of the blacks where I live choose to dress trendy and their clothes often look new.

A lot of what people have is about choice. If internet access was important to them many of the people I see, they could certainly afford it.

 

[jpbushido99]

Hey everyone, I just want to say that I am a Black male and I don't agree with AA. I think it?s wrong that anyone can get an unfair advantage because of their culture. But now that I think about it don't people get special treatment because of their last name, their heritage, because they are a legacy. I don't know the world isn't fair, but being Black in America is a real challenge ? I don?t know maybe in a couple of generations when the old racist ideologies begin to purge themselves from America, and there is a more well rounded representation of the human race rather than in separate cultures people can see one another for who they are rather than what they look like. I mean we all come from the same place, don?t we?

 

[Mani]

So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

AR is also government mandated and government supported. The Good ol' Boys Network is not an organized effort, nor is it enforced by the government.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

but that's not the issue is it? the issue is WHY do blacks NOT succeed in proportion to their numbers? why do asians make up a larger and larger percentage of the middle class while being a very small minority overall? are they favored? is it that whites choose asians over other whites?

i don't think so.

my contention from the very beginning has been and will continue to be, AA weakens the very people it supposed to help.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

Not untrue.

It's not a matter of whether blacks do in fact exercise the right or to what degree. It's a question of whether they are permitted and they are permitted.

However, AR is available only to minorities.

Anyway, I don't really care anymore. I'm not directly affected by it.

In fact, if I am ever lucky enough to find a way to twist these past two weeks of 'whatever seems the most compassionate' interpretations of the law into my favor, I will. As soon as they shift this present Supreme Court back into a real court instead of the Supreme Legislature, we'll all be stuck with the past 40 years of bad decisions upholding bad laws. BUT, a real court will stick to its job of interpretation and may be forced to grant everyone these newly created interests. And that includes whites.

 

[DorkBoy]

I agree with you SaigonK

Allot of responders here have a High School Ed. or they have some College and think they know everything.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

but that's not the issue is it? the issue is WHY do blacks NOT succeed in proportion to their numbers? why do asians make up a larger and larger percentage of the middle class while being a very small minority overall? are they favored? is it that whites choose asians over other whites?

i don't think so.

my contention from the very beginning has been and will continue to be, AA weakens the very people it supposed to help.

The reason is simple: the asians that come to this country are here because they are the creme of the crop. Visas to the US are not easy to come by and you need to have expertise in some line of work to be granted one. I say this as the son of 1st generation immigrant Indians, another minority vastly overrepresented in the middle-to-upper classes.

One reason why blacks do not succeed in proportion to their numbers boild ultimately down to historic unequalities - these cannot be overcome in just a couple generations. Just over 200 years ago blacks were not even allowed to READ, let alone get any kind of education. Since then blacks have increased their status in society - there is an ever-growing black middle class. But to expect them to come up in such a short time to equal representation in the workface in the face of overt and institutional racism over the last 200 years is tantamount to lunacy.

I do not doubt that there are other factors slowing down their progress. A culture that breeds anti-intellectualism (ala chris rock's "readin n' shlt" bit on niggaz vs. blacks) and victimhood are certainly not helping.

For the record, I am against AA. Making it socioeconomic-based would benefit more of the right people and would not cause as much racial tension.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

but that's not the issue is it? the issue is WHY do blacks NOT succeed in proportion to their numbers? why do asians make up a larger and larger percentage of the middle class while being a very small minority overall? are they favored? is it that whites choose asians over other whites?

i don't think so.

my contention from the very beginning has been and will continue to be, AA weakens the very people it supposed to help.

The reason is simple: the asians that come to this country are here because they are the creme of the crop. Visas to the US are not easy to come by and you need to have expertise in some line of work to be granted one. I say this as the son of 1st generation immigrant Indians, another minority vastly overrepresented in the middle-to-upper classes.

One reason why blacks do not succeed in proportion to their numbers boild ultimately down to historic unequalities - these cannot be overcome in just a couple generations. Just over 200 years ago blacks were not even allowed to READ, let alone get any kind of education. Since then blacks have increased their status in society - there is an ever-growing black middle class. But to expect them to come up in such a short time to equal representation in the workface in the face of overt and institutional racism over the last 200 years is tantamount to lunacy.

I do not doubt that there are other factors slowing down their progress. A culture that breeds anti-intellectualism (ala chris rock's "readin n' shlt" bit on niggaz vs. blacks) and victimhood are certainly not helping.

For the record, I am against AA. Making it socioeconomic-based would benefit more of the right people and would not cause as much racial tension.

i know that's not true of koreans. it's not cream of crop, immigrants here are pretty much a cross representation of whay you'll find in Korea. also, how do you explain the success of the Chinese "slaves" brought over in the mid 19th century?

i think you painted strokes too broad based upon your own experience only.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

but that's not the issue is it? the issue is WHY do blacks NOT succeed in proportion to their numbers? why do asians make up a larger and larger percentage of the middle class while being a very small minority overall? are they favored? is it that whites choose asians over other whites?

i don't think so.

my contention from the very beginning has been and will continue to be, AA weakens the very people it supposed to help.

The reason is simple: the asians that come to this country are here because they are the creme of the crop. Visas to the US are not easy to come by and you need to have expertise in some line of work to be granted one. I say this as the son of 1st generation immigrant Indians, another minority vastly overrepresented in the middle-to-upper classes.

One reason why blacks do not succeed in proportion to their numbers boild ultimately down to historic unequalities - these cannot be overcome in just a couple generations. Just over 200 years ago blacks were not even allowed to READ, let alone get any kind of education. Since then blacks have increased their status in society - there is an ever-growing black middle class. But to expect them to come up in such a short time to equal representation in the workface in the face of overt and institutional racism over the last 200 years is tantamount to lunacy.

I do not doubt that there are other factors slowing down their progress. A culture that breeds anti-intellectualism (ala chris rock's "readin n' shlt" bit on niggaz vs. blacks) and victimhood are certainly not helping.

For the record, I am against AA. Making it socioeconomic-based would benefit more of the right people and would not cause as much racial tension.

i know that's not true of koreans. it's not cream of crop, immigrants here are pretty much a cross representation of whay you'll find in Korea. also, how do you explain the success of the Chinese "slaves" brought over in the mid 19th century?

i think you painted strokes too broad based upon your own experience only.

1. My conclusions are not based on my experience, they are based on common sense. Try immigrating to the US if you have no area of expertise in skilled labor. Try finding an immigrant that is not incredibly hard working and/or skilled.

2. The Chinese "slave" descendents are a tiny percentage of the total Chinese population in this country, not even significant enough to draw conclusions from. But even if they were a significant percentage of the current population, they had two things that fundamentally differentiate them from black slaves. One, they were paid. Two, they were not banned from getting an education. They were essentially brought in as cheap labor, not slaves. They did not enjoy the same rights as whites, but they had far more freedom than black slaves did.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Mani
So where's all the outrage over the Good ol' Boys Network? Far more underqualified people get hired by popping out of the right crotch or knowing the right people than get hired through AA.

Because the practices of the supposed Good ol' Boys Network are available to everyone. Blacks are just as free to hire friends and family as are whites. However, whites are not permitted to benefit from Affirmative Racism programs.

Untrue. Look at the race of the vast majority of upper-level positions held in any given company. It's not just a simple majority, it is ridiculously, disproportionately white. Now how likely is it that these upper-class white folks are going to have black or hispanic friends or relatives? If you think the GOB network benefits everyone equally, you are delusional.

Not untrue.

It's not a matter of whether blacks do in fact exercise the right or to what degree. It's a question of whether they are permitted and they are permitted.

However, AR is available only to minorities.

Anyway, I don't really care anymore. I'm not directly affected by it.

In fact, if I am ever lucky enough to find a way to twist these past two weeks of 'whatever seems the most compassionate' interpretations of the law into my favor, I will. As soon as they shift this present Supreme Court back into a real court instead of the Supreme Legislature, we'll all be stuck with the past 40 years of bad decisions upholding bad laws. BUT, a real court will stick to its job of interpretation and may be forced to grant everyone these newly created interests. And that includes whites.

The basic right to the GOB network is irrelevant if that right is almost un-excerciseable. Does the fact that AA is government sanctioned make it any worse? The most popular argument against AA is that it allows underqualified people to access jobs....as if this is something that doesn't happen on a regular basis. The amount of underqualified people let in through AA is almost insignificant compared the number of people benefitting from the good ol boys.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Mani

1. My conclusions are not based on my experience, they are based on common sense. Try immigrating to the US if you have no area of expertise in skilled labor. Try finding an immigrant that is not incredibly hard working and/or skilled.

2. The Chinese "slave" descendents are a tiny percentage of the total Chinese population in this country, not even significant enough to draw conclusions from. But even if they were a significant percentage of the current population, they had two things that fundamentally differentiate them from black slaves. One, they were paid. Two, they were not banned from getting an education. They were essentially brought in as cheap labor, not slaves. They did not enjoy the same rights as whites, but they had far more freedom than black slaves did.

my conclusions ARE based on my experience, i've seen many koreans that came over with NO skills, got jobs doing manual labor or WHATEVER was available, worked 2 jobs full time if necessary so that their family could get ahead.

"hard working" is not a talent or skill given to just CERTAIN people, "hard working is something that ANYONE can achieve.

 

[GasX]

The year I graduated from Penn, there were a lot of med school applicants.

The average white applicant had a 3.6 GPA and a 90%ile MCAT

The average black applicant had a 2.9 GPA and a 30%ile MCAT.

Whites had a 50% acceptance rate and blacks 100%.

To me, the morale of the story is to never see a black doctor. Now tell me, how does this help society?

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
The year I graduated from Penn, there were a lot of med school applicants.

The average white applicant had a 3.6 GPA and a 90%ile MCAT

The average black applicant had a 2.9 GPA and a 30%ile MCAT.

Whites had a 50% acceptance rate and blacks 100%.

To me, the morale of the story is to never see a black doctor. Now tell me, how does this help society?

i'm wondering what the numbers are for med school graduates.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: ManiThe basic right to the GOB network is irrelevant if that right is almost un-excerciseable.

That's a good point and I wouldn't agree that applies in every situation, but that it could apply here. However, it has to be demonstrated that it is unexercised due to something more than that being the way things worked out.

Does the fact that AA is government sanctioned make it any worse?

Yes. When the government creates a right to something it is much different than when something just occurs. Government rights can be enforced, which means that people can be punished. No one can be punished for preventing whites from hiring their friends and family in the way that we are talking.

The most popular argument against AA is that it allows underqualified people to access jobs....as if this is something that doesn't happen on a regular basis. The amount of underqualified people let in through AA is almost insignificant compared the number of people benefitting from the good ol boys.

To me it still comes down to the fact that the government encourages and supports one and not the other. It's a big deal to have something protected by the government.