Add 2 more States: Break CA and VA into 2

[dank69]

Sorry, but with the Sierras, Yosemite, the best farmland in the country, plentiful water, Klamath mountains, gorgeous rivers, the north coast, skiing, Tahoe, wine etc. etc. etc I figured you had to be on crack to dismiss the rest of California so casually.

And all the sheep you can fuck.

 

[monovillage]

And all the sheep you can fuck.

Typical Democrat.

 

[glenn1]

i live in northern va. i'm tired of the politians in richmond (va capital) taking my tax $ and lining their districts with it.

even tho northern va makes the most $, it doesnt have that many votes since it's small compared to rest of VA.

You could secede from the rest of VA and your roads would still suck, and that seems to be the major complaint folks in your neck of the wood seem to have with Richmond.

 

[IGBT]

california should be divided into 3 states. Southern/Central/Northern. All three areas have different interests and demographics.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Sorry, but with the Sierras, Yosemite, the best farmland in the country, plentiful water, Klamath mountains, gorgeous rivers, the north coast, skiing, Tahoe, wine etc. etc. etc I figured you had to be on crack to dismiss the rest of California so casually.

While the Sierras, Yosemite, Klamath and Tahoe are nice tourist locations, and the central valley does provide a wealth of fruits, nuts and vegetables it doesn't change the fact that alone they are not economically viable.

Those "liberals" in the coastal cities you hate so much provide a good chunk of the market for that produce and go to those tourist destinations.

Without them the entire thing falls apart.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

This is an interesting thought.

One thing to consider is that the population of the 13 colonies was 2.4 million in 1776 and the population of California today is 37 million. There are always pros and cons to more centralization vs local control but California's size may be part of the reason it seems to have less effective government than other states.

 

[monovillage]

While the Sierras, Yosemite, Klamath and Tahoe are nice tourist locations, and the central valley does provide a wealth of fruits, nuts and vegetables it doesn't change the fact that alone they are not economically viable.

Those "liberals" in the coastal cities you hate so much provide a good chunk of the market for that produce and go to those tourist destinations.

Without them the entire thing falls apart.

I'm sure the people in the cities will refuse to eat and drink and just ruin the economy for the rest of the State.

 

[rockyct]

While the Sierras, Yosemite, Klamath and Tahoe are nice tourist locations, and the central valley does provide a wealth of fruits, nuts and vegetables it doesn't change the fact that alone they are not economically viable.

Those "liberals" in the coastal cities you hate so much provide a good chunk of the market for that produce and go to those tourist destinations.

Without them the entire thing falls apart.

The central valley is basically West Texas anyway. May as well let them have their wish and make the central valley a libertarian enclave named Paulandia.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I'm sure the people in the cities will refuse to eat and drink and just ruin the economy for the rest of the State.

You're being obtuse. I thought for once we might have a nice debate on something but I see I am wrong.
I'm done arguing with idiots for now.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Sorry, but with the Sierras, Yosemite, the best farmland in the country, plentiful water, Klamath mountains, gorgeous rivers, the north coast, skiing, Tahoe, wine etc. etc. etc I figured you had to be on crack to dismiss the rest of California so casually.

Well that's nice, but most of that central california area will be incredibly poor as it is already poor when compared to the coastal areas.

 

[rockyct]

Well that's nice, but most of that central california area will be incredibly poor as it is already poor when compared to the coastal areas.

I think it's also pretty funny that their "South California" boundaries basically encapsulate massive Latino population centers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_California_proposal.png With the exception of LA, they pretty much made Alta California, Mexico.

 

[Lemon law]

Yeah no kidding, if you wanted to seperate CA by illegal immigrants, youd have to do it East/West, not North/South

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I would have to agree with Slew Foot. And while we are at it, lets break up Texas, New York, and Florida. Gerrymandering on steroids plus all the chuckles and grins that go with it. And while we are at it, lets make Chicago into its own State too.

And why stop there, we can also demote some US States back into US territories.

 

[shortylickens]

You're being obtuse. I thought for once we might have a nice debate on something but I see I am wrong.
I'm done arguing with idiots for now.

For now?

Meaning, its a regular thing for you and you'll be back soon?

 

[momeNt]

Can Virginia be broken up into 3 states? North, South, East? We already have a West Virginia so this would be the most fair to the rest of the cardinal directions.

 

[CrackRabbit]

For now?

Meaning, its a regular thing for you and you'll be back soon?

Considering that there will always be people that are wrong on the internet, yes. :awe:

 

[monovillage]

You're being obtuse. I thought for once we might have a nice debate on something but I see I am wrong.
I'm done arguing with idiots for now.

You don't even realize that there are 2 cities of about 1/2 a million people that would still be in "Eastern California" or that it would still be in the top 10 in population of U.S. States. That it would have a huge majority of resources and would be leaving behind the large majority of costs. I'm not being obtuse, you're just plain ignorant.

 

[monovillage]

Well that's nice, but most of that central california area will be incredibly poor as it is already poor when compared to the coastal areas.

Yeah, it's hell to be able to buy a 4 bedroom, 3 bath house for $200,000 instead of $1,200,000 like in West Los Angeles or Frisco. The rest of the State is real poor that way.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

That is hilariously stupid as Los Angeles is well behind the dividing line. There are entire cities in central CA that cannot speak English, aka masses of illegals.

Half of San Jose is Mexican too. It's odd because I grew up on the peninsula and I never knew of any other ethnicity other than white and asian til I checked out the East Bay... lol. But seriously, the illegals have made it pretty far up, but the vast majority are still concentrated in the LA area.

 

[randomrogue]

There's no reason to divide up California. Economically it makes no sense. The only reason people want to divide it up is because they're fucking with the other side or they hate Mexicans. If you go North South then the south is FUCKED because they have no water. The state of California spends more on energy pumping water to the south than some states spend entirely. You have two sources coming from Northern California and one from Arizona (Havisu)

California's economy is so large that it's about 15% of the USA's GDP. I don't see how you're going to ever get a ballot measure to pass that will divide that up.

The other problem you have is that I think Northern California is actually richer than Southern. So now you have the rich with the water against the semi-rich with no water and tons of illegal immigrants. It's basically a complete waste of time to discuss unless you're part of MEChA and want to restore California back to Mexican control.

 

[Lemon law]

There's no reason to divide up California. Economically it makes no sense. The only reason people want to divide it up is because they're fucking with the other side or they hate Mexicans. If you go North South then the south is FUCKED because they have no water. The state of California spends more on energy pumping water to the south than some states spend entirely. You have two sources coming from Northern California and one from Arizona (Havisu)

California's economy is so large that it's about 15% of the USA's GDP. I don't see how you're going to ever get a ballot measure to pass that will divide that up.

The other problem you have is that I think Northern California is actually richer than Southern. So now you have the rich with the water against the semi-rich with no water and tons of illegal immigrants. It's basically a complete waste of time to discuss unless you're part of MEChA and want to restore California back to Mexican control.

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randomrouge finally grasps and idea but does not take it far enough, why give the golden state of California to a jonney come lately artificial entity like Mexico, when we need to give in back to its original inhabitants, the American Indians.

What the hey, and face the facts, if we give California back to the American Indians, they can turn the entire state of California into a giant gaming Casino. Able to compete head to head with Las Vegas.

As California can change the name of many of their highways with their place names of El Camino Royale to El Casino Royale. Think of all them Trump hotels we can build, until mother nature decides to use earthquakes for slum clearance. Or we can just bide our time until the San Andris fault completes its work, sending LA and the whole West Coast of America up to San Fransisco adrift and a heading for Alaska.

 

[randomrogue]

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randomrouge finally grasps and idea but does not take it far enough, why give the golden state of California to a jonney come lately artificial entity like Mexico, when we need to give in back to its original inhabitants, the American Indians.

What the hey, and face the facts, if we give California back to the American Indians, they can turn the entire state of California into a giant gaming Casino. Able to compete head to head with Las Vegas.

As California can change the name of many of their highways with their place names of El Camino Royale to El Casino Royale. Think of all them Trump hotels we can build, until mother nature decides to use earthquakes for slum clearance. Or we can just bide our time until the San Andris fault completes its work, sending LA and the whole West Coast of America up to San Fransisco adrift and a heading for Alaska.

I like your sense of humor but some will probably run with this, take you seriously, and we'll have 40 posts about it.

 

[Nebor]

While the Sierras, Yosemite, Klamath and Tahoe are nice tourist locations, and the central valley does provide a wealth of fruits, nuts and vegetables it doesn't change the fact that alone they are not economically viable.

Those "liberals" in the coastal cities you hate so much provide a good chunk of the market for that produce and go to those tourist destinations.

Without them the entire thing falls apart.

You think if they were separate states that the coastal people would no longer eat food or take vacations?

 

[IGBT]

There's no reason to divide up California. Economically it makes no sense. The only reason people want to divide it up is because they're fucking with the other side or they hate Mexicans. If you go North South then the south is FUCKED because they have no water. The state of California spends more on energy pumping water to the south than some states spend entirely. You have two sources coming from Northern California and one from Arizona (Havisu)

California's economy is so large that it's about 15% of the USA's GDP. I don't see how you're going to ever get a ballot measure to pass that will divide that up.

The other problem you have is that I think Northern California is actually richer than Southern. So now you have the rich with the water against the semi-rich with no water and tons of illegal immigrants. It's basically a complete waste of time to discuss unless you're part of MEChA and want to restore California back to Mexican control.

southern calif.has all kinds of water. It's called the ocean. Sweep the eco-KOOKS out of the way and build desalination plants. You can have all the swimming pools you want if you are willing to pay for it.

 

[Rainsford]

You don't even realize that there are 2 cities of about 1/2 a million people that would still be in "Eastern California" or that it would still be in the top 10 in population of U.S. States. That it would have a huge majority of resources and would be leaving behind the large majority of costs. I'm not being obtuse, you're just plain ignorant.

You're apparently suggesting that cities (or at least the coastal cities in California) and other populated areas add nothing to the economy of a state and are simply a drain on the "resources" of the rest of the state. Given even a basic understanding of a modern economy, that sounds incredibly ridiculous. Either you're being intentionally obtuse to try to score political points, or the fact that you've figured out how to use a computer is nothing short of a miracle I'm betting the former, because it's a lot easier to come up with an argument that way. A modern economy needs populated areas and rural areas. Anyone arguing otherwise thinks their political views drive reality, rather than the other way around, and is probably not worth listening to.

 

[Rainsford]

Dividing up California or Virginia makes little sense, since the main dividing line politically and culturally in those or any other states is economic, not geographical. Higher population density areas ANYWHERE will have more in common with each other than with rural areas in their own state. San Antonio has more in common with San Francisco than it does with Crawford, TX.