Add 2 more States: Break CA and VA into 2

[Rainsford]

Yeah, it's hell to be able to buy a 4 bedroom, 3 bath house for $200,000 instead of $1,200,000 like in West Los Angeles or Frisco. The rest of the State is real poor that way.

Real estate tends to follow a pretty straightforward price curve. If housing is cheap, it's because of some combination of people not having any money and supply of housing exceeding demand. The fact that housing is expensive in LA or SF (nobody calls it "Frisco") means a lot of people with a lot of money want to live there. That's not exactly a black mark against those cities, IMO. People look for more in houses than just the house itself...location matters.

 

[monovillage]

You're apparently suggesting that cities (or at least the coastal cities in California) and other populated areas add nothing to the economy of a state and are simply a drain on the "resources" of the rest of the state. Given even a basic understanding of a modern economy, that sounds incredibly ridiculous. Either you're being intentionally obtuse to try to score political points, or the fact that you've figured out how to use a computer is nothing short of a miracle I'm betting the former, because it's a lot easier to come up with an argument that way. A modern economy needs populated areas and rural areas. Anyone arguing otherwise thinks their political views drive reality, rather than the other way around, and is probably not worth listening to.

Too bad you didn't use his other quote about sheep to make a point, i guess you were showing some class.

There are plenty of populated areas in "Eastern California". I think you're being deliberately obtuse if you think that a state needs huge metropolitan areas to be successful. California has 37,000,000 people, you don't think it could be divided up and by doing so become more efficient and politically fair to it's populations?

 

[Rainsford]

Too bad you didn't use his other quote about sheep to make a point, i guess you were showing some class.

I thought that quote was too stupid to comment on, to be honest. I find that sort of anti-rural BS just as irritating as anti-urban comments.

There are plenty of populated areas in "Eastern California". I think you're being deliberately obtuse if you think that a state needs huge metropolitan areas to be successful. California has 37,000,000 people, you don't think it could be divided up and by doing so become more efficient and politically fair to it's populations?

I don't think a state NEEDS giant metro areas to be successful, but I think they play an important role in a 21st century economy just like rural areas with farming and natural resources. I interpreted your comment as a dig against urban areas not having any value. I could have been mistaken, but I was just trying to point out that suggesting they have little economic value is kind of silly.

I think California is pretty diverse with 37 million people. But I'm not sure the best solution to make things fairer would be to split the state, because where do you stop? I live in Maryland, which is not a gigantic state either in terms of population or geography. But western, rural Maryland is MUCH different from the I-95 corridor between Baltimore and DC. Does that mean we need two different Marylands, or is it possible that each part compliments the other, and that Western Maryland and Eastern Maryland would be the worse off for the absence of the other one?

I'm a major believer in federalism because I believe diversity is a strength, not a weakness. And we're best served by keeping the various parts of our country as close together as possible, rather than declaring our differences to be unworkable and seeking to live next to each other, but not together.

 

[monovillage]

Dividing up California or Virginia makes little sense, since the main dividing line politically and culturally in those or any other states is economic, not geographical. Higher population density areas ANYWHERE will have more in common with each other than with rural areas in their own state. San Antonio has more in common with San Francisco than it does with Crawford, TX.

Thank you.
Urban dwellers have more in common with other urban dwellers in other States, then they'll ever have in common interest with the rural dwellers in their own State.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If we in NY could spin off NYC and our state capitol Albany we would be thrilled.

 

[dank69]

Typical Democrat.

Yes, we do tend to have a healthy sense of humor. Not all of us, though, so don't start going around saying 'all Democrats have a healthy sense of humor.'

 

[QuantumPion]

Just expand the borders of D.C. to include NOVA, problem solved.

 

[Vic Vega]

you do not know CA well, Orange county and San Diego are notoriously full of whites, and both are the big areas south of LA. Dividing California up by race is stupid, this has always been a heavy speaking/populated Spanish Latino state. Most Californians are fine with it. You can keep that segregation crap in the old south, like Va.

I really do not see why white folks hate on others so much, what little shit USA does productive is done by latinos of all situations, you cant tear famlies apart, this is thinly veiled racism and utterly foolish. Get used to it and worry about your own endless sprawls of disfunctional white ghettos ie: suburbia and meth addict ridden trailerparks for once.
A caucasian Californian bored of white transplants from the south whining/being busybodies.

Always nice to add another bigot to my ignore list. Welcome.

 

[ichy]

Cutting CA in half would be a good thing

Keeping it intact and deporting all the illegals would be a better thing.

 

[MiniDoom]

Just expand the borders of D.C. to include NOVA, problem solved.

Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

 

[piasabird]

Why stop there? Lets split Illinois in half and southern Illinois can be free of Chicago. Then we can split Florida too. Maybe Texas also.

 

[MovingTarget]

Why stop there? Lets split Illinois in half and southern Illinois can be free of Chicago. Then we can split Florida too. Maybe Texas also.

Indeed. Lets carve back out West Florida from the current coastal counties of MS, AL, and the Florida Panhandle. They have more in common than with the rest of their respective states.

Northern/Southern California seems a good split, too.

 

[randomrogue]

Lets just bus everyone around until we get the country "just right".

 

[bfdd]

you do not know CA well, Orange county and San Diego are notoriously full of whites, and both are the big areas south of LA. Dividing California up by race is stupid, this has always been a heavy speaking/populated Spanish Latino state. Most Californians are fine with it. You can keep that segregation crap in the old south, like Va.

I really do not see why white folks hate on others so much, what little shit USA does productive is done by latinos of all situations, you cant tear famlies apart, this is thinly veiled racism and utterly foolish. Get used to it and worry about your own endless sprawls of disfunctional white ghettos ie: suburbia and meth addict ridden trailerparks for once.
A caucasian Californian bored of white transplants from the south whining/being busybodies.

screw these fools hating on us Californians.

 

[SagaLore]

While you're at it, split Texas into 3 states, merge all of the New England states into a single New England state, and give Michigan to Canada.

 

[monovillage]

While you're at it, split Texas into 3 states, merge all of the New England states into a single New England state, and give Michigan to Canada.

Why are you so angry at Canada?

 

[DCal430]

Dividing up California or Virginia makes little sense, since the main dividing line politically and culturally in those or any other states is economic, not geographical. Higher population density areas ANYWHERE will have more in common with each other than with rural areas in their own state. San Antonio has more in common with San Francisco than it does with Crawford, TX.

I disagree, some urban areas in California are ultra right wing conservative areas, while others are progressively liberal areas. The right wring urban areas have more in common with the loons in the right in deep south than the do with the progressive urban areas.