Adam Kokesh plans July 4th Gun March on DC w/ loaded guns..

[berzerker60]

If they can't even stand up to a simple peaceful protest and show of force, pray tell how a new similar law would be enforced? That is the whole point of that exercise, to show that we outnumber them and they are ultimately powerless to disarm us, and that ultimately they can make all the laws they want and there are enough gun owners to give 0 fux. And. There. Is. Nothing. They. Can. Do. About. It.

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If shit really got out of hand in this country, I promise it wont be like Iran where a dozen armed police can chase off unarmed crowds of 100,000+... there would be riot shield and body armor penetrating rifles sticking out of every window sill.

Oh yeah lawless mob violence has always been a positive force for democracy and human rights.

 

[exdeath]

Oh yeah lawless mob violence has always been a positive force for democracy and human rights.

Why would there be violence?

Wouldn't it be better to provide police escort service, let them get their "little protest" done and over with so everybody can get back to what they were doing? Hell they could even pass if off like a 4th of July parade if they wanted to and everyone could have a good time.

Oh no wait, that shows government being weak and backing down in the face armed citizens that outnumber them.

We absolutely CANT have that now can we? Government MUST whip their dick out and prove it's bigger, right? Or can it even if it wanted to?

Scary I know, the thought of government backing down. At least it's scary to those types who use the government as an instrument to force their will unto others they disagree with, such as those here who would desire to see protesters like this crushed like bugs... except shit, for once the bugs could shoot back if we make the wrong move!

That's the only way there is ever violence. It's always people in positions of power who can't let it go, who won't back down, who always have to flex their dick and get the last word in even when they are wrong.

I hope they just get a free pass to march peacefully, go home, and that's done. Will show that the government wants no trouble and will back down. What a powerful message that would be.

A lesson in history is needed for many. Prohibition for starters... Many positive things were accomplished in this nation with civil disobedience and even violence as a last resort when politics failed.

Gun rights is just the final straw because it's a now or never situation with no going back. What would prohibition have been like if only government had guns? Contrast getting gun rights back with no guns but with booze vs getting booze back with guns. There's an essay assignment for you.

 

[michal1980]

at first I thought this was a terrible idea.

Now that its coming out how physco the white house is about targeting anyone on the right, I'm all for it.

 

[railer]

This will never happen. Just another moronic stunt.

 

[irishScott]

If they can't even stand up to a simple peaceful protest and show of force, pray tell how a new similar law would be enforced? That is the whole point of that exercise, to show that we outnumber them and they are ultimately powerless to disarm us, and that ultimately they can make all the laws they want and there are enough gun owners to give 0 fux. And. There. Is. Nothing. They. Can. Do. About. It.

Such legislation would only ensure that next time there will be 10 million armed protesters sticking together in civil disobedience, not just 10,000.

They are just pussies that feel high and mighty when they have a tactical advantage of 100 guys with assault rifles against 1 guy with a hand gun or some unarmed protesters throwing spit wads at their riot shields. Put them up against a few hundred thousand trained and experienced gun owners with equal firepower who can shoot back when shot at and see how quickly they yelp and turn tail.

If shit really got out of hand in this country, I promise it wont be like Iran where a dozen armed police can chase off unarmed crowds of 100,000+... there would be riot shield and body armor penetrating rifles sticking out of every window sill.

They're pussies who can call in the National Guard if 10,000 violent idiots with guns physically threaten them, and you know what? I'd shoot some of those 10,000 myself if I was carrying in the vicinity and the protestors collectively fired first. Because right now we live in a democracy, and to use violence when said democracy is still functioning is pointless treason; and I value the lives of cops doing their sworn duty over the lives of gun-toting morons getting their wannabe rocks off by killing said cops.

Kindly shove your "I'm a revolutionary badass!" fantasy where it belongs. You want to kick off the next American Revolution, you're going to need a LOT more than 10,000 and a MUCH better cause than "we can't carry guns in DC."

If such a violent revolution actually came about, people like you would be shot in the first day fulfilling your fantasies, and then those of us who actually think and plan before we act would be left to do the real work.

 

[sunzt]

Definitely not going into DC that day if they come.

 

[exdeath]

They're pussies who can call in the National Guard if 10,000 violent idiots with guns physically threaten them, and you know what? I'd shoot some of those 10,000 myself if I was carrying in the vicinity and the protestors collectively fired first. Because right now we live in a democracy, and to use violence when said democracy is still functioning is pointless treason; and I value the lives of cops doing their sworn duty over the lives of gun-toting morons getting their wannabe rocks off by killing said cops.

Kindly shove your "I'm a revolutionary badass!" fantasy where it belongs. You want to kick off the next American Revolution, you're going to need a LOT more than 10,000 and a MUCH better cause than "we can't carry guns in DC."

If such a violent revolution actually came about, people like you would be shot in the first day fulfilling your fantasies, and then those of us who actually think and plan before we act would be left to do the real work.

Democracy doesn't give rights to the majority in power to abuse the rights of the minority, it never has.


I dont thing we need a revolution. We need a civil war. Its not the government that's the problem, it's the voters, particularly the have nots voting for robinhood to take from the haves so they can have their plasma TV and Mercedes on minimum wage while the rest of us are taxed to death to pay for their essentials so they can party with their own income instead of improving themselves.

Oh surprise it's the same group that wants guns banned.

 

[Thebobo]

One man march goes off!

“We will not be silent. We will not obey,” “We will not allow our government to destroy our humanity. We are the final American Revolution. See you next Independence Day.​

kokesh arrested after posting video loading shotgun in DC

 

[exdeath]

Post video of gun, get raided and arrested for drugs?

Talk about grasping at straws and looking for anything in some poor attempt to harass and get even or teach a lesson. Shit is hilarious.

As much as I philosophically support his cause, he's a dumbass for sticking his neck out. Things arent Egypt bad here yet to have a million armed citizens flooding the streets yet, which means you stay low and fight from the shadows in the mean time.

Placate and play along, regroup, fight back on your own terms. You aren't useful to your cause being a lone ranger ending up dead or in jail.

 

[exdeath]

Oh yeah lawless mob violence has always been a positive force for democracy and human rights.

Yup, mob violence, civil disobedience, and terrorism has been bringing democracy and human rights to people since before 1776.

As a reminder, the first shot of the American revolution was fired when authorities attempted to confiscate guns. :biggrin:

 

[Texashiker]

Oh yeah lawless mob violence has always been a positive force for democracy and human rights.

Funny how opinions change over time.

http://fauquierfreecitizen.com/seventy-two-killed-resisting-gun-confiscation-in-boston/

National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

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Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders” of the extremist faction, remain at large.

 

[MiniDoom]

This is a pretty fucked up show of force. I live about a mile away and was wondering why all the helicopters were buzzing around last night.

 

[berzerker60]

Yeah, gee, what could be the difference between fighting against a distant imperialist monarch and fighting against a government freely elected by the people? You must be right, they're the same thing!

And after all, a well-ordered militia is exactly the same thing as a mob of random assholes, each with more killing power than an entire colonial regiment!

 

[Doppel]

This is a pretty fucked up show of force. I live about a mile away and was wondering why all the helicopters were buzzing around last night.

Because the police have become paramilitary. Why knock on his door when you can bust it down and send the choppers in? Fucking insane.

 

[Texashiker]

Yeah, gee, what could be the difference between fighting against a distant imperialist monarch and fighting against a government freely elected by the people? You must be right, they're the same thing!

When your choice is tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum, what real choice do the people have?

For the republic to work, we have to have an educated voting populace. When people vote straight party lines "just because", the republic will not stand.

Also, the president is not elected by the people. In a round about way we have an appointed monarch with executive ability to make laws without the consent of congress.

 

[Genx87]

Heh talk about the perfect response. A gun advocate going on about the abuse of govt posts a video of him loading a gun in "freedom" plaza. The response is a tactical team complete with helicopters breaking down his door. Murrica

 

[berzerker60]

For the republic to work, we have to have an educated voting populace. When people vote straight party lines "just because", the republic will not stand.

Also, the president is not elected by the people. In a round about way we have an appointed monarch with executive ability to make laws without the consent of congress.

The nation was built on ignorant hillbillies and it will stand on ignorant hillbillies.

I think abolishing the electoral college in favor of the popular vote is clearly a good thing, but aside from travesties like Bush's election, it's rarely an issue. Obama is president because a majority of the voting population wanted him to be president over Romney.

The real greatness and nearly unprecedented miracle of American democracy is that even people and parties that absolutely loathe each other have handed power over to each other legally and non-violently in accordance with electoral results since its beginnings. A bunch of armed yokels threatening to violently overthrow an election because they don't like the result is the absolute furthest thing from 'patriotic.' It's despicable. (And yes, I know Koresh here isn't trying to overthrow the government per se, but that's the clear implicit threat behind all of this 'keep the powder dry' nonsense rhetoric)

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yup, mob violence, civil disobedience, and terrorism has been bringing democracy and human rights to people since before 1776.

As a reminder, the first shot of the American revolution was fired when authorities attempted to confiscate guns. :biggrin:

I was just reading about this story yesterday

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1653#.Ud1znTusj8X



Total Arrests Climb to 700 as Thousands Protest GOP in North Carolina



tacking on restrictive abortion laws to a bill that bans sharia

An attempt to make an official state religion

A state budget that reduces educational funds in favor of tax breaks for the wealthy, and increases taxes on food

Refuses federal funds for medicaid expansion (losing coverage for about 500,000 locals)

A law that refuses to use any science based facts for rising sea-levels

Amendment one that made gay marriage double illegal (it was already illegal) and making out of state civil unions void

But yes, the riots in Egypt seem to dominate the news

 

[exdeath]

Yeah, gee, what could be the difference between fighting against a distant imperialist monarch and fighting against a government freely elected by the people? You must be right, they're the same thing!

And after all, a well-ordered militia is exactly the same thing as a mob of random assholes, each with more killing power than an entire colonial regiment!

Both believe it's acceptable to use political power to deprive individuals of life, liberty, and property, so there is no difference.

Does not matter to me if its one person saying I can't have or do X or 100 million people.

Actually thee is a difference: in a representative government the problem isn't the government its the voting pool, so that makes it a civil war not a revolution. So yeah it isnt the same after all :awe:

 

[Texashiker]

(And yes, I know Koresh here isn't trying to overthrow the government per se, but that's the clear implicit threat behind all of this 'keep the powder dry' nonsense rhetoric)

We have the right to keep and bear arms for a reason. The founding fathers knew that the rights of the people may erode to the point that armed rebellion may be necessary.

 

[exdeath]

We have the right to keep and bear arms for a reason. The founding fathers knew that the rights of the people may erode to the point that armed rebellion may be necessary.

Our government system is fine.

It simply fails when half the voting population vote to sit on their ass and take your stuff and using mass demographics shift to reshape the system to something it was originally solely designed to prevent.

Thus not rebellion, but a civil war.

Only issue with the current administration at the time is they will cling to stay in power and attempt to protect their illegitimate voter base.

Still its not rebellion, you aren't abolishing it, you are just resetting it within the existing framework and rebooting it.

The system works but all representative governments are flawed in that 51% of the drooling masses can attempt to remove the rights of the 49% so this cycle will never end. Any attempts to prevent this just slows down the inevitable and paves the way for incrementalism and progressivism. Get your foot in the door 1 mm at a time.

Yet depriving those drooling masses of voting rights is hypocritical in the goal of a fair representative government of equal rights and liberty. The system is ultimately flawed because of this and there is no permanent solution.

 

[Texashiker]

Our government system is fine.

When the system is controlled by two parties, no, it is not fine.

 

[exdeath]

I want to see the look on their face when the element of surprise door ramming flashbang throwing showboating comes to an abrupt halt by vault grade doors, laminated polycarbonate windows, backed by 16" steel reinforced ICF concrete walls, and 5 billion lumen security lights overpower them.

BANG with the ram, nothing happens, owner opens the inner door and non chalantly taunts "can I help you?" while standing in the open fully protected and immune behind the impenetrable security door.

The pissed off bested looks on their face like a shaved cat. Priceless.

What happens then? Do they cry that they need Tomahawk missiles and bunker busters and revise raids to include hitting your front door with a 500 lb bomb first?

 

[zinfamous]

We have the right to keep and bear arms for a reason. The founding fathers knew that the rights of the people may erode to the point that armed rebellion may be necessary.

Texashiker: I'm going to march on your bunker in wherever Texas with several loaded firearms and knock on your door.

You should assume this isn't a threat--I'm just being a patriot. You, of course, shouldn't shoot me because I have the freedom to do this. Obviously, your castle law shouldn't supersede my 2nd amendment right, correct?

 

[Texashiker]

Texashiker: I'm going to march on your bunker in wherever Texas with several loaded firearms and knock on your door.

You should assume this isn't a threat--I'm just being a patriot. You, of course, shouldn't shoot me because I have the freedom to do this. Obviously, your castle law shouldn't supersede my 2nd amendment right, correct?

Come on over, I know a place we can go target shooting.

Or, maybe we can talk guns while smoking a brisket.

~ EDIT ~

My wife and I are moving over the next three weeks, so now would be a bad time. We are however throwing a post-moving party around October. If you wish, you are welcome to attend that party and bring whatever firearm you wish.