Adam Kokesh plans July 4th Gun March on DC w/ loaded guns..

[Texashiker]

For those who haven't read it, here's a fun article on the heads of the NRA and an imported military weapons company making each other rich:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html

And? What is the point of those links?

GM imports chinese made parts that end up in wrecks.

Scotch manufacturers import used whiskey barrels from Jack Daniels, which is used to make scotch, which contributes to domestic violence, liver disease, and drinking and driving.

Exxon imports oil from overseas that is used in car wrecks and drinking and driving accidents.

How much tobacco is imported into the united states? And how many people die of cancer contributed to by that tobacco?

The boston bomber used pressure cookers that were probably made in china. A remote control for a toy car was also used in the bomb, which was probably made in china.

Someone imports a product that has been used to inflict violence upon others, so what?

 

[Wreckem]

I am not sure if they have or not, it depends on how the law is applied. DC gun laws are written for individuals, and the laws for those individuals have recently been challenged and defeated though are so far unchanged to my knowledge.

What is definite is the police's authority in the district so any orders they give must be for actions taken in the district.

DC's defacto ban on guns was overturned. Their ban on carrying in public has not. Its unlawful to open carry in DC.

Post Heller ALL gun control passed by DC has been upheld up through the Circuit Court of Appeals. SCotUS has been unwilling to take cases to clarify the two gun cases. They won't until the gun control issue is settled by political means. It remains illegal and a felony to open carry in DC. Also, DC has a registration requirement that has been upheld up through the circuit court level. You cannot possess a firearm in DC that is not registered in DC. Again a felony.

Heller and McDonald do NOT go as far as people believe they do. And as I have said SCotUS has choosen not to jump into the gun control debate at this time. Post Heller/McDonald they have declined hearing numerous cases over restrictions on carry, strict registration, and in general stricter gun control. Declining these cases upholds those restrictions as constitutional in the circuits the cases originated from until SCotUS takes the issue up and actually decides them.

 

[Vic Vega]

DC's outright ban on guns was overturned. Their ban on carrying in public has not.

That's why I say it will depend on how the law is applied. You cannot restrict an individual from possessing the gun and the open display laws are also applied individually, not to a group.

 

[zsdersw]

Some people can't get enough drama.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Not sure what to think of this guy. Claims to be libertarian and not tea partian.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/05/more-on-adam-kokesh-and-his-armed-march.html

 

[TheVrolok]

tit-for-tat.

Do you really want to talk about political stunts in the wake of the housing collapse? How about free trade, GM investing billions in china, a record number of people are on welfare and food stamps, do you really want to go back and forth?

Wall street has pulled so many political stunts it is difficult to keep count.

So maybe it is time for the people to pull a stunt.

Ah, the "they did it, so we can" defense. I don't support the issues you've raised, in the same way I don't support this demonstration.

 

[JTsyo]

If Texas ever turned blue and amended their constitution to ban firearms would that be constitutional and legal to do?

States can't makes laws that violate the Bill of Rights.

The problem such a march is going to have is that you'll attract all kinds. Without someone vouching for them, you don't know who's with you. I could see the loons that would shoot at the police attending and being encouraged to act thinking they have another 1000 for backup.

EDIT: oh and there's probably be drinking involved too.

 

[Jaskalas]

States can't makes laws that violate the Bill of Rights.

The problem such a march is going to have is that you'll attract all kinds. Without someone vouching for them, you don't know who's with you. I could see the loons that would shoot at the police attending and being encouraged to act thinking they have another 1000 for backup.

If you want to talk crazies, someone who wants guns banned could cause a scene as well. Once the event delves into chaos, with a potential shooting, their goal is achieved.

 

[Wreckem]

That's why I say it will depend on how the law is applied. You cannot restrict an individual from possessing the gun and the open display laws are also applied individually, not to a group.

Right now you can restrict carrying ANY gun in public. That has yet to be overturned. For DC, its has so far been upheld by Heller II, which has been decided by the D.C. Circuit and so far SCotUS seems unwilling to take up Heller II to clarify/extend the scope of Heller I/McDonald. Until SCotUS takes up Heller II or other similar gun control cases, DCs current, post Heller, gun control laws are upheld.

And it doesn't matter if the laws goes to individuals. A group is made up of individuals. Each individual carrying would be breaking every currently upheld DC gun control law the moment they stepped foot in DC. That is at minimum 2 felonies per person, 3 or 4 if they are carrying assault weapons with extended magazines.

In DC it is currently illegal to open carry firearms, as well as possess extended magazines, assault rifles, and guns not registered in DC. IIRC each are felonies.

My bet is only the nuttiest of gun nuts participate. Most rational people aren't going to risk getting charged with multiple felonies. This will just heightens the risk involved because you will truly have the crazies participating.

If the March comes to fruition. I see choppers hoovering over the middle of the bridge, likely urging all to turn back before entering DC, while snapping high rez photos of everyone. I see Washington DC and the Feds, boxing off and barricading the end of the bridge on the DC side with uniformed riot cops and tactile vehicles. There would likely be a second line of uniformed officers in back waiting to make arrests. They have the delusions that they will all be allowed to return back to the Virginia side without being arrested. They might, but that doesn't mean they won't be charged. If DC and the Feds wanted to they could wait until the marchers got close to the one end of the bridge and then drop in swat units to the middle of the bridge thus corralling the marchers.

The march would be a high stakes game of chicken. I honestly don't see the march taking place, but since now its says hes working with police to determine what line they cross results in arrest, if it does happen, I doubt they cross over the middle part of the bridge.

 

[Genx87]

It'd be Biden's job.

Oh great, Biden would tell them to shoot into the air.

 

[Incorruptible]

Is appropriate latin for legal?

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I don't think this guy should do this and there are much more effective ways to send a message to obama and his gun control idiots.

But he does have the right to do this.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I don't think this guy should do this and there are much more effective ways to send a message to obama and his gun control idiots.

But he does have the right to do this.

No

 

[Incorruptible]

No

Yes

 

[OverVolt]

I would stay away from this (is 100 miles enough :awe but damn will it make for some good drama.

I would never in a million years participate in something like this. I hope it goes off without a hitch but considering the types of people who participate in this stuff, I have my doubts.

 

[Wreckem]

I would stay away from this (is 100 miles enough :awe but damn will it make for some good drama.

I would never in a million years participate in something like this. I hope it goes off without a hitch but considering the types of people who participate in this stuff, I have my doubts.

Yeah it has the potential to attract a truly crazy person(not necessarily a gun rights advocate) out to cause mass amounts of death.

 

[irishScott]

Yeah, if one thing's for sure in this country, it's that the gun industry is safe. Gun-related tragedy? Gun sales spike! No gun-related tragedy? Pretend there's a serious gun regulation in the works, gun sales spike, nothing actually passes. Repeat every election season forever.

For those who haven't read it, here's a fun article on the heads of the NRA and an imported military weapons company making each other rich:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html

Right now the interests of the gun industry coincide with the interests of gun rights, and there's no reason for that to stop.

Yes, the NRA does what is in the best interests of its members, which include corporate entities, like any private lobbyist group. I will never understand why other lobbyist groups get SO much leeway, but a TON of people are ready to jump on the NRA for just doing what lobbyist groups do.

Maybe if congress and the government got their heads of their asses, we could do without the NRA. Unfortunately the stupid regulation keeps coming and coming, and massacre after massacre months of effort are wasted trying to pass laws that wouldn't have stopped the massacres in the first place.



In any case, the amendment your link discusses may have been profitable for the first company on the scene, but it's been profitable for other companies as well in the years sense. I fail to see the issue.

Also:

Today, amid government reports that M-1 carbine rifles and newer military weapons are being used by violent criminals.

Lol, I did a quick search and guess how many reports I found? None. Certainly none from the government. Found an article about such a report from one of the NRA's diminutive counterparts, the Violence Policy Center. Yeah, because that source is PERFECTLY reliable!

You know ammunition for the M1 Carbine is a collector's round, right? Very few ammo companies actually make it, it's expensive because so few shoot it, and the only guns that shoot it are are 50 years old or older at this point. I sincerely doubt criminal use of M1 carbines is of any significance.

 

[irishScott]

Oh and this guy clearly knows a bunch:

But Josh Sugarmann of the Washington-based Violence Policy Center says the 200,000 rifles imported by Blue Sky were “basically the first of the military weapons marketed to the civilian population. If you were going to draw an ‘assault weapons timeline,’ it would start with the M-1 and eventually end up where we are today.”

The first assault rifle of any significance is acknowledged by EVERYONE to be the German STG-44. He basically just called the Constitution the Declaration of Independence.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

But he does have the right to do this.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you. That makes you wrong. They don't, in fact, have a right to open carry firearms in D.C.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Oh and this guy clearly knows a bunch:

The first assault rifle of any significance is acknowledged by EVERYONE to be the German STG-44. He basically just called the Constitution the Declaration of Independence.

I don't really see how that refutes the proposition that the M1 was "basically the first of the military weapons marketed to the civilian population," which is what he's saying.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

You know ammunition for the M1 Carbine is a collector's round, right? Very few ammo companies actually make it, it's expensive because so few shoot it, and the only guns that shoot it are are 50 years old or older at this point. I sincerely doubt criminal use of M1 carbines is of any significance.

Ammoman is selling .30 carbine for cheaper than .223 right now. It is a lot more mainstream now than it was 10 years go. Ruger still makes a Blackhawk revolver in .30 carbine and Kahr makes a current reproduction of the original M1 Carbines.

http://ammoman.com/30-carbine
http://ammoman.com/223-556

 

[CrackRabbit]

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I don't think this guy should do this and there are much more effective ways to send a message to obama and his gun control idiots.

But he does have the right to do this.

A list of people with known reading comprehension issues that have posted in this thread:
1. Incorruptible

End of list.

 

[piasabird]

Million Gun March!

From what I can remember about the 4th of july is that in DC they have televised concerts and such with patriotic music. Good luck getting a permit to march that day. The 4th is about barbeque and fireworks and having parties. A lot of people would not be interested in demonstrating on the 4th of July.

 

[irishScott]

Ammoman is selling .30 carbine for cheaper than .223 right now. It is a lot more mainstream now than it was 10 years go. Ruger still makes a Blackhawk revolver in .30 carbine and Kahr makes a current reproduction of the original M1 Carbines.

http://ammoman.com/30-carbine
http://ammoman.com/223-556

Virtually everything is cheaper than .223 right now. That's hardly the norm.

 

[irishScott]

I don't really see how that refutes the proposition that the M1 was "basically the first of the military weapons marketed to the civilian population," which is what he's saying.

He said:

If you were going to draw an ‘assault weapons timeline,’ it would start with the M-1 and eventually end up where we are today.”

No, it actually wouldn't start there. But given his allegiance to the Violence Policy Center it would certainly serve his purposes for it to start there.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Virtually everything is cheaper than .223 right now. That's hardly the norm.

Fine. It's about the same price as .45 long colt which is what I would consider to be a popular carbine round due to cowboy action shooting.

http://ammoman.com/45-colt

My point is, it's not as expensive or rare as people think.